Universal : Riding Gear Thread

[B7ACKTHORN]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I'm planning to buy the red one, it is available in my size, its a total vfm, as far as my second best option is concerned it would be Helios or Icarus.
Do try cramsters too, they were my primary selections until i came across spartan, they too are a good buy but while going through the thread i came across a lot of posts suggesting the degradation in quality of cramsters!!
Also of some one could shed some light on my query too, it would really generous of you!

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Affordability purely comes to ones budget. Yes Cramster had their fair share, but mind you Cramster is in this business way before all these budding brands which are budding up and gaining pace. As in any brand, even if one doesn't refresh their products, any company out there must improve their existing portfolio just to make sure they are regarded as such. Cramster is totally VFM if you ask me followed by Spartan and then DSG and then RJays (expensive) for the same quality offered by their former competitors.

But all in, 90% of the bikers here have wear/worn/own the jackets in all the brands mentioned above. If it can suit them they will suit you too, but you need to make a fine balance between, fit, comfort and overall budget.

Instead of "Killer Features" any riding gear needs to be evaluated for its protection. Sunnyside_up said once that he wasn't too impressed with the built quality of Zeus.. had found the Cramster Jackets to be better built

Sunny,

Any inputs on this particular back protector? It's branded as Viscotec.. the size and dimensions seem to match with the Sas-Tec back protector.

I have one of these, retreived from an imported jacket.

Personally SASTEC Viscotec I guess are manufactured in GmBh and one can be rest assured they are of quality, and have had their fair share before taking their life as armors. I personally won't thing there will be any difference from them both technically though apart from the shape fit and outward appearance.

The thing is that, its One time investment for me...
i usually drive a lot.. mostly in summer and in rainy times too...

I need a All rounder jacket for it, should not be sporty or fancy.
but it should serve the purpose....

Am googling for the past 2months :P
yet none gives me a confident on it...

I got tat cheap Alpinestars for 2.8k here, its so chubby and makes me fell fat, not a perfect fit at all...
I need something tat serves me well more than i expect.. but budget is what that makes me wait all these days from picking the perfect one...

As I've said, numerous times, you ask for opinions, you will keep getting those, *unconditionally from everyone of us here*. The best is to get the pointers and the usage statistics which I can vouch this thread has oodles of it. Just make sure, which one you want, and your budget and you're all set. Don't think too hard. Get yourself the one you like and trust your instincts, rather than word-say, and trust me you'll not regret.

Cheers!
VJ

[payeng]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I've been reading a lot about how the inclusion of a thermal liner in addition to the rain liner provided in most jackets makes that particular product the "most" VFM. I have also been inundated with PM's asking about thermal liners. This makes no sense to me since 90% of the guys who buy mesh jackets hardly even use their rain liner - leave alone the thermals. The inclusion of a thermal liner means that you are actually paying upfront for a feature that you are never likely to use. Wouldn't you prefer to have the CHOICE rather than have it forced on you?

Can't help it Sunny, Indian customers are like this only.. they want every thing under the sky at the least possible price.

Don't we use the SAME bike to go touring (or think that we can go touring), perform stunts (or think that we can perform stunts), go racing (or think that we too can scrape knees) and above all commute..??

Same goes for while buying riding gears.. they want it to do everything. No wonder why the DSG Nero is why so popular.. it appears so VFM, so versatile and so all season.

[Sunnyside_up!]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

In addition the same mesh jacket if provided without the rain liner can bring down the cost. I would go for this option as wearing a raincoat over the jacket is quicker and more effective if caught by rain in middle of riding. What say?

^^^ totally agree!


Have actually voiced this several times at internal meetings but the consensus has always been that market perception is that a jacket must have a liner! Who knows? Maybe someday......

Affordability purely comes to ones budget. Yes Cramster had their fair share, but mind you Cramster is in this business way before all these budding brands which are budding up and gaining pace. As in any brand, even if one doesn't refresh their products, any company out there must improve their existing portfolio just to make sure they are regarded as such. Cramster is totally VFM if you ask me followed by Spartan and then DSG and then RJays (expensive) for the same quality offered by their former competitors.



VJ

I don't think that is either a fair comparison or erudite.

Its more like lumping all into the same category, when in reality they are all actually different species. Calling the population "people" does not highlight their differences, qualities and peculiarities.

[princesirohi]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I've been reading a lot about how the inclusion of a thermal liner in addition to the rain liner provided in most jackets makes that particular product the "most" VFM. I have also been inundated with PM's asking about thermal liners. This makes no sense to me since 90% of the guys who buy mesh jackets hardly even use their rain liner - leave alone the thermals. The inclusion of a thermal liner means that you are actually paying upfront for a feature that you are never likely to use. Wouldn't you prefer to have the CHOICE rather than have it forced on you?

In any case since such a hullabaloo has been made about it, I thought it would be pertinent to point out that the cheapest of the three listed in the post above, the ICARUS, comes with the most complete rain liner of the lot, since it is actually a separate garment, while in both the other two, it is just that - a liner. Now you can add a thermal liner (again a completely separate garment) for just Rs.800/- IF you think that it is useful to you- and that would mean that the total cost is now just Rs. 4300+800=Rs.5100/-, still the cheapest with ALL liners included.

Sometimes the obvious is too close to our nose to recognise it quickly.

a thermal liner is actually quite useful to a lot of guys who live in colder climate or to those who ride excessively during early mornings or late night.

i have a question - is it possible to wear both the thermal and rain liner at the same time.?... in SPG jackets.

[payeng]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Have actually voiced this several times at internal meetings but the consensus has always been that market perception is that a jacket must have a liner! Who knows? Maybe someday......

Not a Rain liner.. but a Quilted liner especially in a mesh jacket does come in handy especially while riding in those chilly early mornings or in cold climate. But then a rain liner with its wind proofing properties is useful enough to block the cold winds.

So we can't really exactly say that a liner is useless for a mesh jacket. Maybe in Chennai one won't feel the need but in most part of India ones does need some protection and comfort from the cold weather.

[B7ACKTHORN]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I don't think that is either a fair comparison or erudite.

Its more like lumping all into the same category, when in reality they are all actually different species. Calling the population "people" does not highlight their differences, qualities and peculiarities.

But I don't comprehend why you've made this point. But I wish people can go through as you've quoted "peoples" individual differences (i.e. the jackets) in this thread, as almost every single jacket asked by the fellow member have been done and reviewed. So...

Cheers!
VJ

[bondarun]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Am going for Spartan icarus, its the cheap and best out there..
reading some reviews out there, RJays swift doesnt provide 100% rain protection.

DSG Aero seems good, but it look simple mesh compared to ICARUS detail works...


Cramster Breeze and RS are good but slightly above my budget...

ICARUS seems simple but effective jacket out there...
Also there is a Autho dealer in my city... So can try it and buy it with 100% confident

Thought of getting Jacket over eBay .com, Motorcycle DUHAN Yamaha Textile Racing Jacket New Motor Bike Dainese New | eBay
came across this, its a Textile Jacket by Dainese...

[B7ACKTHORN]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Am going for Spartan icarus, its the cheap and best out there..
reading some reviews out there, RJays swift doesnt provide 100% rain protection.

DSG Aero seems good, but it look simple mesh compared to ICARUS detail works...


Cramster Breeze and RS are good but slightly above my budget...

ICARUS seems simple but effective jacket out there...
Also there is a Autho dealer in my city... So can try it and buy it with 100% confident

Thought of getting Jacket over eBay .com, Motorcycle DUHAN Yamaha Textile Racing Jacket New Motor Bike Dainese New | eBay
came across this, its a Textile Jacket by Dainese...

Great going. Go for what your budget allows.

And regarding Dainese, for the same jacket that you've shown, if it were manufactured by Dainese, it would have costed upwards for 10k. All these cheap rip offs in the name of famous brands are something not to be considered when you're buying your first jacket, especially if it's from an online vendor whose reputation cannot to verified.

I'd suggest you stick to the Spartan Icarus, if you intend to go for the jacket. Moreover if you have sizing discrepancies it's a lot easier sending it for a replacement than international rip off products.

Cheers!
VJ

[senotrius]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

In addition the same mesh jacket if provided without the rain liner can bring down the cost. I would go for this option as wearing a raincoat over the jacket is quicker and more effective if caught by rain in middle of riding. What say?

well,i rather prefer the removable liner for monsoons here.putting a coat on top of a jacket would be cumbersome.unless the rain liner is able to cut costs drastically opening up the market further to new customers.

[Sunnyside_up!]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Not a Rain liner.. but a Quilted liner especially in a mesh jacket does come in handy especially while riding in those chilly early mornings or in cold climate. But then a rain liner with its wind proofing properties is useful enough to block the cold winds.

So we can't really exactly say that a liner is useless for a mesh jacket. Maybe in Chennai one won't feel the need but in most part of India ones does need some protection and comfort from the cold weather.

Please don't mistake me, I'm not against the liners - whatever the type. I'm just for the freedom of choice!

As you pointed out, the rain liners are pretty good wind-blockers too, since they are mesh lined and warm air gets trapped between the layers. I've received numerous reports from riders even to Leh, who have used just this liner (not in winter, of course).

For extreme cold that requires proper thermals, SPG does offer the option of getting a proper thermal quilted liner with 3M Thinsulate. Actually, the option also exists to get EITHER the thermal liner OR rain liner when you order at the same cost. Most prefer however to opt for the rain liner.

Personally, I would like to see the biker have the option of whether he wanted to have a rain liner, thermal liner, both or none at all. This would allow HIM to decide what he wants and also how much it would cost - true freedom of choice!

[senotrius]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

[MENTION=1]Sunny[/MENTION], you should put that option up in spartan's website since most wouldn't know about it.

[Kunwar.g]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

@Sunny, you should put that option up in spartan's website since most wouldn't know about it.

Not all at SPG agree with Sunny sir as he mentioned a few posts back. This is just his view.
@Sunny - Maybe you can take a poll here or on the SPG website/SPG facebook. The key words here will be
1. Freedom of choice
2. Cost depending on choice

Mesh Jacket without any liner - Rs XX
Mesh Jacket withrain liner - Rs XX + Rs YY
Mesh Jacket with quilt liner - Rs XX+ Rs ZZ
Mesh Jacket with both liner - Rs XX + Rs YY + Rs ZZ

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well,i rather prefer the removable liner for monsoons here.putting a coat on top of a jacket would be cumbersome.unless the rain liner is able to cut costs drastically opening up the market further to new customers.

Don't want to start a series of posts on this discussion, but consider the following scenario

You are riding for say 30 km. After the first 5 km it starts raining, so you do either of the following and then rain stops just when you are 5-7 km away from your destination. When you started your ride you didnt have the rain liner zipped to the jacket, considering that its humid and you want air to keep cool

1. Rain liner - You stop in the middle of the trip ( excluding the factor that you might get a shade to stop by) take out your jacket, take out the rain liner, zip it to the jacket and wear it. In doing this you wet the jacket, shirt ( as had to take out the jacket ). But the next few kms that you are riding your jacket gets really wet and so when the rain stops you cannot takeout the rain liner and could be sweating inside. Once you reach the destination you will need to find a place to keep your jacket as its wet due to rain. On top of that you will have to keep the Jacket under fan to make it dry

2. Rain coat - You stop, pull out your rain coat. Wear it on top of the jacket in less time, compared to zipping the rain liner. Your shirt does not get wet. You ride with raincoat till it rains, once its stops you remove the raincoat, fold it and keep it inside or just open the front of the raincoat and get cool air through the mesh jacket on to the shirt. Once you reach your destination, just fold the raincoat and keep it in a plastic bag and keep the mesh jacket with you as its not wet. IMHO

Again there could be many more scenarios and the rain liner might come out to be more beneficial but I can bet my money on the fact that the rain coat is more waterproof than the rain liner as more often people have shared that some water does flow in through the neck area. Most raincoats have full zipped collar which cover up the neck also and if you are wearing helmet, much much lesser option of water going in through that area

[Touseef Ahmed Mohammed]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

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[ankitmahindru]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

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[chaosaddict]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

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