Universal : Riding Gear Thread

[amalbhagat]

Re: Any Solace Defender Jacket Users??

Hi,

Planning to purchase Solace Defender Jacket, loved the specs of the jacket especially the specifications of the protectors. Would like to know if anyone here uses the jacket and need their reviews. Also would like advice on jackets by other brands. Below is the link of the Defender Jacket.

Thank You.


Defender/Black With SAS-TEC

you can go for defender as it has the sas tec armors & i feel sas tec is better than knox as i am personally using solace sprint
in which the armors are good enough thick.

[prashanthkt]

Re: Any Solace Defender Jacket Users??

Yes. You would get fried in the Defender (No Mesh). Go for a Mesh Jacket with good armors like Knox.

bro it is a waterproof jacket & riessa stitched inside. & comes with sas tec level 2 armors which is a plus point & armors are soft one very comfortable.

my brother using defender & no complaints about the ventilation.

[rahul_raj1990]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I was about to buy Solace Sprint in blue but avoided due to the protectors. They're meant for kids at best. Don't go by the protector ratings on paper. Remove them from the jacket, put one on your shoulder, ask a friend to punch it and check. You will know for yourself ☺
I would say go for Knox. Rynox or any other brand.

there might be a chance that you had checked very old stock of solace sprint. i bought 6 months back sprint jacket.
the armors are pretty thick & i didnt find it low quality. i will share the picture of the armor soon from my sprint jacket.

[shantanoodas]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

there might be a chance that you had checked very old stock of solace sprint. i bought 6 months back sprint jacket.
the armors are pretty thick & i didnt find it low quality. i will share the picture of the armor soon from my sprint jacket.

my office buddy also using solace sprint black jacket & i saw the armors which are very much tough. actually planning for
solace sprint after so much ifs & but. please tell me know some pros & cons if you can with pictures.

[Aniket.Chaudhary]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I was about to buy Solace Sprint in blue but avoided due to the protectors. They're meant for kids at best. Don't go by the protector ratings on paper. Remove them from the jacket, put one on your shoulder, ask a friend to punch it and check. You will know for yourself ☺
I would say go for Knox. Rynox or any other brand.

i have checked the sas tec protector personally by punching it, found it to be very good. So i have no doubt of about the protectors, wantto know about the other aspects of the jacket such as the build, thermal liner and rain liner.

Any one here using the defender jacket, pls let me know the review.

Thank you.

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bro it is a waterproof jacket & riessa stitched inside. & comes with sas tec level 2 armors which is a plus point & armors are soft one very comfortable.

my brother using defender & no complaints about the ventilation.

Hi prashanthkt,

Can you help me with a detailed review of the defender jacket.

[Astrix]

Re: Any Solace Defender Jacket Users??

bro it is a waterproof jacket & riessa stitched inside. & comes with sas tec level 2 armors which is a plus point & armors are soft one very comfortable.

my brother using defender & no complaints about the ventilation.

Yes, Indeed.
But in Defender Reissa is stitched inside so one cannot remove it. Even the Cramster K2K comes with reissa stitched inside, it is a very old way of water-proofing. The inner coating of Reissa (lamination) starts to come off after years.
If you check the Spartan Achillies, even that is made up of the same material as that of the Defender, but it still comes with a removable rain liner and not a laminate. That is the right way to go about an all-season jacket.

In Tornado Pro Reissa can be removed and is off thicker grade as it is not a laminate grade as it can be used as a separate jacket.

Armor wise I find both to be equally good. Both are used at Moto GP levels. Knox armors also tend to take the shape of the part thus the name of their technology "Flexi-Form".

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i have checked the sas tec protector personally by punching it, found it to be very good. So i have no doubt of about the protectors, wantto know about the other aspects of the jacket such as the build, thermal liner and rain liner.

Defender and Tornado Pro both are good jackets in their own ways. You can go with anyone of those. if breathability is an important aspect (say for city riding) always go with a Mesh jacket. One cannot compare the breathability of a Textile Jacket to a Mesh Jacket. Armour wise both are good.

In Defender, Reissa is stitched inside and one cannot remove the Reissa, thus it make its breathability even lesser. Where as in the Tornado Pro the Reissa liner is removable and thus give you the flexibility to add a layer altogether.

The outer shell construction of the Tornado pro also have DU Pont Cordura (which is a very expensive material used by brands like Revit in some of their models) which is way stronger/ abrasion resistant than even Nylon, while most of these jackets are made up of polyester as mentioned on their website. Go on sites like Revzilla, they spend so much time talking about the outer layers than only focusing on the armour and that is for a reason bro.

I prefer a mesh jacket as I mainly use it for city commutes.

PS: I felt like I was repeating myself, I had mentioned about the abrasion thing in some of my last post also. Nevertheless hope this helps.

[prashanthkt]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

i have checked the sas tec protector personally by punching it, found it to be very good. So i have no doubt of about the protectors, wantto know about the other aspects of the jacket such as the build, thermal liner and rain liner.

Any one here using the defender jacket, pls let me know the review.

Thank you.

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Hi prashanthkt,

Can you help me with a detailed review of the defender jacket.

hello

here so much confusion actually due to all the comments. i will try to remove your confusion.

the difference between tornado pro & defender is,

1) Armors :- Tornado- Knox - Level -1 : Defender - SAS TEC - Level - 2
2) Thermal Liner:- Tornado - Removable thermal liner but dont have any specification like how much thick it is.
Whereas in Defender - Removable thermal liner with 100 gr Decron filling ( i don't know about the measurement but it is very thick which is made for cold weather)
3) Rain liner :- Tornado - Removable Riessa which is breathable
Defender - Attached Riessa which is breathable with 4 air vents (2 on front side & 2 on back side)
4) Upper body :- Tornado - Combination of Mesh & Cordura (it is not 100% waterproof as mesh is there)
Defender - 600D Cordura all over
5) Other features- Tornado & defender both have YKK/Reflective piping/Velcro adjustable waist/connection zip etc etc are common)
6) Cost Tornado - 7450/- (before it was 7099)
Defender - 6850/-

another point which i notice is if you see on rynox website they have mention 600Du pont cordura at impact zone???? they have not
used it all over. if you check solace defender then you will find 600D cordura shell.

my brother having a defender & i am using it i didn't get fried inside even in traffic also.

another point - i saw solace has launched their modified defender named Defender Plus having same features as defender one but there are two good
points they add which are 1) TPU Protective shield at shoulder for extra protection 2) Extra foam padding on elbow (impact zone)
costing 7100/-

my brother purchase it from Mumbai itself as here in Chennai he doesn't get stock for defender.
again it will be your comfort level & of course style is important as both these jackets providing good safety.

check the defender plus pic here.,,,

Defender Plus @ SAS-TEC

if you purchase any of these please don't forget to share your experience.

[amalbhagat]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

hello

here so much confusion actually due to all the comments. i will try to remove your confusion.

the difference between tornado pro & defender is,

1) Armors :- Tornado- Knox - Level -1 : Defender - SAS TEC - Level - 2
2) Thermal Liner:- Tornado - Removable thermal liner but dont have any specification like how much thick it is.
Whereas in Defender - Removable thermal liner with 100 gr Decron filling ( i don't know about the measurement but it is very thick which is made for cold weather)
3) Rain liner :- Tornado - Removable Riessa which is breathable
Defender - Attached Riessa which is breathable with 4 air vents (2 on front side & 2 on back side)
4) Upper body :- Tornado - Combination of Mesh & Cordura (it is not 100% waterproof as mesh is there)
Defender - 600D Cordura all over
5) Other features- Tornado & defender both have YKK/Reflective piping/Velcro adjustable waist/connection zip etc etc are common)
6) Cost Tornado - 7450/- (before it was 7099)
Defender - 6850/-

another point which i notice is if you see on rynox website they have mention 600Du pont cordura at impact zone???? they have not
used it all over. if you check solace defender then you will find 600D cordura shell.

my brother having a defender & i am using it i didn't get fried inside even in traffic also.

another point - i saw solace has launched their modified defender named Defender Plus having same features as defender one but there are two good
points they add which are 1) TPU Protective shield at shoulder for extra protection 2) Extra foam padding on elbow (impact zone)
costing 7100/-

my brother purchase it from Mumbai itself as here in Chennai he doesn't get stock for defender.
again it will be your comfort level & of course style is important as both these jackets providing good safety.

check the defender plus pic here.,,,

Defender Plus @ SAS-TEC

if you purchase any of these please don't forget to share your experience.

Nice bifurcation bro

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Yes, Indeed.
But in Defender Reissa is stitched inside so one cannot remove it. Even the Cramster K2K comes with reissa stitched inside, it is a very old way of water-proofing. The inner coating of Reissa (lamination) starts to come off after years.
If you check the Spartan Achillies, even that is made up of the same material as that of the Defender, but it still comes with a removable rain liner and not a laminate. That is the right way to go about an all-season jacket.

In Tornado Pro Reissa can be removed and is off thicker grade as it is not a laminate grade as it can be used as a separate jacket.

Armor wise I find both to be equally good. Both are used at Moto GP levels. Knox armors also tend to take the shape of the part thus the name of their technology "Flexi-Form".

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Defender and Tornado Pro both are good jackets in their own ways. You can go with anyone of those. if breathability is an important aspect (say for city riding) always go with a Mesh jacket. One cannot compare the breathability of a Textile Jacket to a Mesh Jacket. Armour wise both are good.

In Defender, Reissa is stitched inside and one cannot remove the Reissa, thus it make its breathability even lesser. Where as in the Tornado Pro the Reissa liner is removable and thus give you the flexibility to add a layer altogether.

The outer shell construction of the Tornado pro also have DU Pont Cordura (which is a very expensive material used by brands like Revit in some of their models) which is way stronger/ abrasion resistant than even Nylon, while most of these jackets are made up of polyester as mentioned on their website. Go on sites like Revzilla, they spend so much time talking about the outer layers than only focusing on the armour and that is for a reason bro.

I prefer a mesh jacket as I mainly use it for city commutes.

PS: I felt like I was repeating myself, I had mentioned about the abrasion thing in some of my last post also. Nevertheless hope this helps.

but bro if you say mesh then it will not be 100% waterproof say e.g. tornado pro having cordura & mesh construction inside that you have
a layer of riessa but while in rain the water definately penetrate into mesh & from there where it will go? riessa will not absorb it so it will protect
in normal rain but not in heavy rain. yes for city rides mesh is the better option.

there are several technical points in waterproof. i dont know the seams of tornado pro having taped with waterproof ceiling or not. if not
then it is a waterproof on paper & not in rain. i m using gears from era of cramster & in a decade i came to know all such details from different personnel.

all over all the brands using same material just the thing is how they are representing it because it is all imported from pakistan
then whatever the brand will be cramster/dsg/spartan/zeus/rynox etc etc............

sorry if i say anything wrong.

[Astrix]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

2) Thermal Liner:- Tornado - Removable thermal liner but dont have any specification like how much thick it is.
Whereas in Defender - Removable thermal liner with 100 gr Decron filling ( i don't know about the measurement but it is very thick which is made for cold weather)

Have seen the Thermal liner of the Tornado Pro its quite thick, i am not sure but it s also the same material as it has a hang tag of thermal liner with all this information mentioned.

3) Rain liner :- Tornado - Removable Riessa which is breathable
Defender - Attached Riessa which is breathable with 4 air vents (2 on front side & 2 on back side)

Since the Jacket is Mesh the breathability of Tornado Pro is way higher as compared to the 4 Air vent ventilation.

4) Upper body :- Tornado - Combination of Mesh & Cordura (it is not 100% waterproof as mesh is there)
Defender - 600D Cordura all over

Tornado Pro- 100% Breathable due to Mesh construction. Defender- 600D Cordura Polyester all around so no breathability except for those 4 small Air vents
Yes Defender will be water-proof, until its Reissa coating comes off as it is not removable layer and attached lamination (Just like in Old school Cramster Jackets).

another point which i notice is if you see on rynox website they have mention 600Du pont cordura at impact zone???? they have not
used it all over. if you check solace defender then you will find 600D cordura shell.

The Chassis of the Tornado Pro is made up off 600D Cordura Shell (All Jackets in India are made up off 600D Cordura Shell, but none use Du Pont as its a very expensive material), however at impact zone it has special Du Pont Cordura. Du Pont is an American company which makes Cordura. It is the only India company that is using Du Pont Cordura in their Jackets.


Also another additional feature in the Tornado Pro is that you can use the the liner Thermal and Rain as a separate jacket. I guess beside the Tornado Pro jacket Royal Enfield new jacket (Darcha by Revit) sold for 24k is the only one in which the Thermal liner can be used as a separate jacket.

PS: Darcha also comes with Knox Flexiform armors.

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Nice bifurcation bro

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but bro if you say mesh then it will not be 100% waterproof say e.g. tornado pro having cordura & mesh construction inside that you have
a layer of riessa but while in rain the water definately penetrate into mesh & from there where it will go? riessa will not absorb it so it will protect
in normal rain but not in heavy rain. yes for city rides mesh is the better option.

there are several technical points in waterproof. i dont know the seams of tornado pro having taped with waterproof ceiling or not. if not
then it is a waterproof on paper & not in rain. i m using gears from era of cramster & in a decade i came to know all such details from different personnel.

all over all the brands using same material just the thing is how they are representing it because it is all imported from pakistan
then whatever the brand will be cramster/dsg/spartan/zeus/rynox etc etc............

sorry if i say anything wrong.

Yes I totally agree with you bro, that Mesh will not be waterproof so in heavy rain you will wear the Reissa liner. Water will penetrate through the mesh and will be obstructed by the Reissa liner, repelled and fall off !
But Rains will be there for certain time, for which the removable liner will just do its job well, think about those hot (sticky times-Since I am from Mumbai) Mesh will any day come handy. The Reissa liner is Tornado Pro and Air GT (which I am using) both are taped- heat taped.

Cramster K2k jacket also has a same type of arrangement having Reissa laminated/stitched on the inner side, but this later comes off. (Also note that the thickness of any material(Reissa here) used to stitch/laminate is very thin, as thick material cannot be laminated. While if you plan to use the material to make a separate jacket it has to be very thick as compared to the laminate film.

Another example, even other textile jackets by reputed brands like RE Darcha by Revit/ Revit Jackets/Alpinestars/ Cortech jacket will not come with a laminate but a removable liner as laminates are old ways of water-proofing, which may or may not last.

Both are good jackets, good protection, good water-proofing. However I prefer a Mesh jacket due to the climate in Mumbai. If you are into textile jacket you can also check the Spartan Achillies (Knox Armors and has removable Rain Liner and not laminated)

[Chandan92]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Nice bifurcation.

Sorry for being rude but why don't you suggest brands other than solace, it's ok if you are using it and suggesting it but in some or other aspects any other brand must be a notch ahead of solace. I am just curious to know if i am missing any other superior feature from solace.

[eternoMind]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Guys please help me out here.

Am on the lookout for a jacket and knee guard combo. Budget for the former is 4.5-6K while for the latter, 2K. I'll be in Mumbai for a day next week and plan to buy this from a store. Please suggest me a store (ideally one for both items) in Mumbai where I can try it out before buying. While at it, kindly also suggest jacket options in that price range.

I tried a search on this thread and there is literally an avalanche of options, which is very confusing. How do I go about selecting or shortlisting from a range of riding jackets. One way to do it is buy offline I guess. I'll use the jacket for highway riding only, may be once a month.

[paradoxx]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I don't know if this is the right place to post this, mods please advise.
I'm planning to sell of my knee guards. They have carbon fibre protectors and have been worn rarely.
Reason for selling: upgrading to riding pants.
I had bought them from Probiker store in Pune about 6 months back for 2.5k
Anyone interested in buying can pm me.
Thanks

[santosh.k]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Guys please help me out here.

Am on the lookout for a jacket and knee guard combo. Budget for the former is 4.5-6K while for the latter, 2K. I'll be in Mumbai for a day next week and plan to buy this from a store. Please suggest me a store (ideally one for both items) in Mumbai where I can try it out before buying. While at it, kindly also suggest jacket options in that price range.

I tried a search on this thread and there is literally an avalanche of options, which is very confusing. How do I go about selecting or shortlisting from a range of riding jackets. One way to do it is buy offline I guess. I'll use the jacket for highway riding only, may be once a month.

Where in Mumbai are you looking to buy ?

Check out Moto101 in khar for spartan jackets. The knee guards are around 2.5k and you'll get jackets from 4k onwards.

For other brands check out AH helmets in Andheri / Oshiwara. He gives some discount on a few brands to xBhp users.

[Guru Kumar]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Where in Mumbai are you looking to buy ?

Check out Moto101 in khar for spartan jackets. The knee guards are around 2.5k and you'll get jackets from 4k onwards.

For other brands check out AH helmets in Andheri / Oshiwara. He gives some discount on a few brands to xBhp users.

Very True Today Evening Itself I Bought The Jacket Posted Below For 6.5k At A.H Helmet (Oshiwara Andheri West)

[Ravikiran]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

It's a good VFM buy...especially with Knox armours and dual inner liners....I am using the earlier version and pretty happy with it :-)