Universal : Riding Gear Thread

[tanuj154]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I checked a store, he had MT helmet for ₹4250(forgot the exact name). But it doesn't have a sun visor. So out of these two, which is better? ( Between smk twister and MT)

That might be mt mugello... Mt is better than smk in quality... Rest depends upon you taste.. I would say go for mt

[Siddhartha.S]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

That might be mt mugello... Mt is better than smk in quality... Rest depends upon you taste.. I would say go for mt

Thank you! Will try that out.

[Astrix]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

1- Solace Defender Plus comes with a Cordura sew tag as well as hang tag. It seems you have not even used or purchased one yet.

2- I never said Cordura is a gimmick, I said calling it DuPont Cordura is a gimmick while the brand is nomore related to DuPont anymore. Can you read this ? And I repeat, Defender Plus has a sew tag as well as hang tag.

3- Then you mean to say D3o is level 2 for noobs and everyone should go with crappy level 1 Knox protectors ? I don't see a reason to this. Open any international or Indian forum, everyone knows Sastec is just better at each and everything.

4- Rynox still does advertise the bum fabric as supergrip fabric and it has not been changed yet. Besides, we all know about Knox rash.

5- So now you mean to say YKK is a gimmick ? Anything that is sub-standard and will last the warranty period is good to go ? Really ?

6- Rynox and Apple ? Hahaha what are we comparing here ? Rynox has tie ups with knox, not that they do not want to use sastec in one of their products. Don't be surprised if you see a sastec protector in a Rynox product in future.

7- I should add a picture of RE safari with hang tag for you here. It is a Cordura construction and as you said, RE won't false advertise.

8- AGAIN ! Solace gets a hang tag as well as sew tag.

I see you promoting Rynox here and your replies have just been limited to this thread. Don't be a tart and promote Rynox all day. I have also suggested Rynox to many and Solace to others, biking community knows me since long. Stop your brand promotion here and now please.

1A- Knox will never be better than Sastec, it's not even malleable to body shape, what will you do ? Make Knox malleable ? :chargrin:

2A- I do not need a gang of people to support a fact. Rynox is and will remain a good jacket, and a good marketer. But we all know Solace is just better with it. Stop being a fanboy now.



Now please enlighten me here, as you said "Cordura is pricey", how can RE provide cordura with level 2 sastec in a ₹4500 jacket. Are they misleading ?
Also how can Rynox provide it on Rynox Air GT v2.0 ?
What Rynox does is separate Cordura and DuPont cordura whenever they like to. Using two different grades of Cordura and then starting on DuPont advertising. Why use name of DuPont when the fabric doesn't belong to them anymore ? Sheer marketing.
(yes Cordura comes in many grades, check the site you gave us yourself for more).

1. I agree I have not checked the Defender Jacket lately to check if it has the Cordura tag. If it does then very good. But that does not mean they can get away without mentioning where exactly is the Cordura used. While RE and Rynox both specifically mention that only at impact zones Cordura is used. Solace mentions it as if their entire jacket is made up of Cordura.

2.Level 2 is not a gimmick. Let's keep D3O out of this, as the Level 2 provided by D3O and Knox are different than Sas tec Level 2. I will explain why with proper images and readings hopefully by the end of the day.

3. What makes you say the new zip by Rynox is sub-standard?

4. Apple was just an example, as we spoke about how Rynox markets and I believe that if rynox markets the right things, whats the harm? And I only said that if Solace is such a good brand they should also market. Rather than getting away with "they are really good, just that they don't market". But that is just my opinion and we can leave that aside as that is not related to the product.

5. Why did you even add the picture of RE to prove me right? please read my comment above- I clearly said RE uses Cordura and has Sew label and hang tag. But it again specifically mentions that it is used at impact zones. Even Rrynox does the same. While Solace simply gets away by mentioning Cordura as if their entire jacket is made up of Cordura and is fooling people by not mentioning how much of the jacket is Cordura. Now please be honest here and tell me Do you think the entire Solace jacket is made up of Cordura?

6. If Rynox starts using Sas Tec. I will STOP USING Rynox! Sas tec level 2 has a lot of hidden things. (I say this after the research I did lately, which I will soon share.)

You may have asked people to go for Rynox and Solace both. I ask my friends to simply stay away from Sas Tec (Limbs), Sas Tec back is still fine. Replies being limited to this group is because it my topic of interest (given that I was also doing some research of protectors lately and plan to start a blog) and there is nothing to shy away from and neither does it prove anything.

Knox is better than Sas Tec. Malleable !- Keep them under 20C and watch them harden faster than wax! They harden and they hurt. Have used Sas tec protectors thus saying so. Though would not deny that I have not used Solace.

We are no different. If I appear to be a fanboy of Rynox. You appear to be one of Solace. Saying that you recommended Rynox to other does not cut the slack. Besides, it really interests me to know why did you recommend Rynox to friends?

P.S: Sorry if my tone was a bit harsh in my previous post. I do not want to fight with someone over a brand. But even I was just stating facts. And buddy trust me, I will send you an email about Sas tec protectors and how soon they lose its integrity. Besides, I will also be putting up the same here.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

1. I agree I have not checked the Defender Jacket lately to check if it has the Cordura tag. If it does then very good. But that does not mean they can get away without mentioning where exactly is the Cordura used. While RE and Rynox both specifically mention that only at impact zones Cordura is used. Solace mentions it as if their entire jacket is made up of Cordura.

2.Level 2 is not a gimmick. Let's keep D3O out of this, as the Level 2 provided by D3O and Knox are different than Sas tec Level 2. I will explain why with proper images and readings hopefully by the end of the day.

3. What makes you say the new zip by Rynox is sub-standard?

4. Apple was just an example, as we spoke about how Rynox markets and I believe that if rynox markets the right things, whats the harm? And I only said that if Solace is such a good brand they should also market. Rather than getting away with "they are really good, just that they don't market". But that is just my opinion and we can leave that aside as that is not related to the product.

5. Why did you even add the picture of RE to prove me right? please read my comment above- I clearly said RE uses Cordura and has Sew label and hang tag. But it again specifically mentions that it is used at impact zones. Even Rrynox does the same. While Solace simply gets away by mentioning Cordura as if their entire jacket is made up of Cordura and is fooling people by not mentioning how much of the jacket is Cordura. Now please be honest here and tell me Do you think the entire Solace jacket is made up of Cordura?

6. If Rynox starts using Sas Tec. I will STOP USING Rynox! Sas tec level 2 has a lot of hidden things. (I say this after the research I did lately, which I will soon share.)

You may have asked people to go for Rynox and Solace both. I ask my friends to simply stay away from Sas Tec (Limbs), Sas Tec back is still fine. Replies being limited to this group is because it my topic of interest (given that I was also doing some research of protectors lately and plan to start a blog) and there is nothing to shy away from and neither does it prove anything.

Knox is better than Sas Tec. Malleable !- Keep them under 20C and watch them harden faster than wax! They harden and they hurt. Have used Sas tec protectors thus saying so. Though would not deny that I have not used Solace.

We are no different. If I appear to be a fanboy of Rynox. You appear to be one of Solace. Saying that you recommended Rynox to other does not cut the slack. Besides, it really interests me to know why did you recommend Rynox to friends?

P.S: Sorry if my tone was a bit harsh in my previous post. I do not want to fight with someone over a brand. But even I was just stating facts. And buddy trust me, I will send you an email about Sas tec protectors and how soon they lose its integrity. Besides, I will also be putting up the same here.

1- Solace has Cordura tag since 600d was the material. They have clearly mentioned the type and material in tag refer to the jacket please.

2- Well level 2 is certified by some external agencies and not by the manufacturer anyways.

3- Don't start at me again.

4- Rynox removed Cordura word from their description of Air GT v2 after I pointed it out. Something fishy ? Do you belong to Rynox ? Don't mind but it clearly seems the case.

5- Solace has used full cordura on Defender plus and they always mention if the impact zone is different material as seen with sprint or lofty.

6- I don't use either, leaving this judgement on you.

7- Sac tec had issue of integrity back when they started if you know about it. And only a few of them had this, not all. Start to research more before you think the sas tec guys are noob at everything. Knox will never be equal to sas tec. Period.

No more debating with you, you deny facts and state your own research. Also, since I mentioned it, the cordura word in discription of Air GT v2.0 was removed which makes me feel fishy about you and your association with Rynox.
Ps the point about malleability, come to my city Nainital. Sas tec still remains great ! Temperatures drop to sub zero a lot of time here. Heck even the average nowadays must be lower than 20.

[Astrix]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

1- Solace has Cordura tag since 600d was the material. They have clearly mentioned the type and material in tag refer to the jacket please.

2- Well level 2 is certified by some external agencies and not by the manufacturer anyways.

3- Don't start at me again.

4- Rynox removed Cordura word from their description of Air GT v2 after I pointed it out. Something fishy ? Do you belong to Rynox ? Don't mind but it clearly seems the case.

5- Solace has used full cordura on Defender plus and they always mention if the impact zone is different material as seen with sprint or lofty.

6- I don't use either, leaving this judgement on you.

7- Sac tec had issue of integrity back when they started if you know about it. And only a few of them had this, not all. Start to research more before you think the sas tec guys are noob at everything. Knox will never be equal to sas tec. Period.

No more debating with you, you deny facts and state your own research. Also, since I mentioned it, the cordura word in discription of Air GT v2.0 was removed which makes me feel fishy about you and your association with Rynox.
Ps the point about malleability, come to my city Nainital. Sas tec still remains great ! Temperatures drop to sub zero a lot of time here. Heck even the average nowadays must be lower than 20.

Joke of the Millenium..Solace has used Cordura for the entire jacket. Are you too Naive or from team Solace, God alone know?. They have used freaking polyester which is used to make bags throughout the jacket and have blatantly claimed that they have used Cordura in the ENTIRE Jacket. Even the Rev'it Sand 2 (35k) was not made up of full Cordua. One Klimm Jacket was made up of full Cordura and we all know the price of Klim who uses such high-end material.

Just to prove it and call this big Bluff by Solace so-called "Cordura"!
So below is the photo where Solace mentions use of "750D Cordura Ballistic"


Below is the list of Invista Cordura Deniers that the brand has ever made. God knows how and which Cordura 750D did Solace get. Repeating myself again its polyester and not Cordura. Don't be a fanboy without knowing facts about the person/brand unless you are the brand itself!


Now, when they use a different material at impact zone they mention it- You mean the 1680D Polyester material which again they claim to be "Best material in the world"! That's what a brand like Cramster/ Rynox/ Viaterra has been using since ages to make their bags- Its Polyester Damn it!

Homemade certificate- "Best material in the world"! That's Solace for you.

Hope that after this much proof you would agree that Solace is a bluff when they say Cordura (unlike RE and Rynox). If you still continue to deny the fact. You can live with yours. I am sure others reading this will know what the facts are.

Now WHY KNOX over SAS TEC
Sasta tec did not have integrity issues back then, they still have it - They harden like wax at even 20-18 forget subzero! Denying it won't change it. Since you do not agree without proof. Here is one more for you and everyone else.

SasTec Join protectors (Shoulder and Elbow and Knee) do not pass the 'T-' and 'T+' tests. Thus at lower temps they harden and hurt and crack. Forget level 2 performance, they may not even have level 1 performance.
Since SAS Tec did not care to provide this information (unlike Knox and D3O) on their website, I wrote to SAS TEC Germany and hope this is enough proof for you to not deny any further about the blabber about Sas tec!

So stop giving wrong facts that the integrity issue was there earlier, while Sas tec Germany themselves agree it still does not have a T- approval.

Knox about their T+ and T- test have mentioned very specifically and about temperature stability.



D3O also care much about mentioning the temperature Stability and the tests- T+ and T-


As I said, I was into so serious research on protectors which I plan to post soon here and on my (upcoming) blog as well, but patience is a virtue, not all have. So just have put a snippet of the entire break-down/review that I will soon do for Knox and Sas Tec and D3O.

Conclusion: (I really do not need to conclude after all this). Everyone here are smart enough to conclude on their own after all this. That is why Go for Rynox (or rather Knox protectors) and thus I say Rynox does market well but whats the harm if they deliver what they market and not bluff like Solace who indirectly market themselves by saying - "They make good stuff, but just that they do not market". Your Bluff is called. So either sell authentic or stop selling!
Sas Tec is a good protector but not as good as Knox or D3O.

P.S: I really do not want to get into what Rynox Changed on their site etc as I am not a part of Rynox and thats not the whole point of this discussion. Its to understand which is a better product. You are free to meet me in person and do all the due diligence required !

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Joke of the Millenium..Solace has used Cordura for the entire jacket. Are you too Naive or from team Solace, God alone know?. They have used freaking polyester which is used to make bags throughout the jacket and have blatantly claimed that they have used Cordura in the ENTIRE Jacket. Even the Rev'it Sand 2 (35k) was not made up of full Cordua. One Klimm Jacket was made up of full Cordura and we all know the price of Klim who uses such high-end material.

Do you know the difference between types of cordura ? The cordura yarns ? Solace straighaway mentions Cordura polyester yarn on their jacket tag. No false marketing here like Rynox that says "DuPont Cordura" and "Safety Stitch System" and "Supergrip fabric and what not. If you want I can again post a picture. No one, I repeat no one uses Nylon cordura here in Indian brands.

Just to prove it and call this big Bluff by Solace so-called "Cordura"!
So below is the photo where Solace mentions use of "750D Cordura Ballistic

Tell me if you want me to attach a pic of tag on Defender plus as I stated above.

Below is the list of Invista Cordura Deniers that the brand has ever made. God knows how and which Cordura 750D did Solace get. Repeating myself again its polyester and not Cordura. Don't be a fanboy without knowing facts about the person/brand unless you are the brand itself!

Repeating again, Cordura is made from many yarns and has many types itself like Maxtex and Polydura. Ps Rynox doesn't even mention denier count of DuPont Cordura if it even exists. BTW check this REV'IT! Materials Information :: MotorcycleGear.com
even revit mentions 750D so that means revit is lying now ?? God knows which cordura 750d Revit got ha.

Now, when they use a different material at impact zone they mention it- You mean the 1680D Polyester material which again they claim to be "Best material in the world"! That's what a brand like Cramster/ Rynox/ Viaterra has been using since ages to make their bags- Its Polyester Damn it!

Exactly. They never mentioned cordura like rynox did for Air GT v2.0 and Solace straightaway mentioned 1680D polyester. Thats Rynox for you,changing description after launching a version 2 !! I pity the consumers buying Air GT or v2 before today.

Homemade certificate- "Best material in the world"!

In the price range, YES !

Hope that after this much proof you would agree that Solace is a bluff when they say Cordura (unlike RE and Rynox). If you still continue to deny the fact. You can live with yours. I am sure others reading this will know what the facts are.

Hope that my comments are an eye opener for you. If you continue to deny hard facts, keep doing that. We all know we are on a public forum.


Now WHY KNOX over SAS TEC
Sasta tec did not have integrity issues back then, they still have it - They harden like wax at even 20-18 forget subzero! Denying it won't change it. Since you do not agree without proof. Here is one more for you and everyone else.

SasTec Join protectors (Shoulder and Elbow and Knee) do not pass the 'T-' and 'T+' tests. Thus at lower temps they harden and hurt and crack. Forget level 2 performance, they may not even have level 1 performance.
Since SAS Tec did not care to provide this information (unlike Knox and D3O) on their website, I wrote to SAS TEC Germany and hope this is enough proof for you to not deny any further about the blabber about Sas tec!

Do read the mail again, they are made from same material. Joint protectors are not certified 'officially'. You answered yourself here.
About the harden and hurt point, I live at nainital, sub zero is like normal for us, this never happened to anyone I know. Also, Knox is already hard and hurts no need of sub zero.

Conclusion: (I really do not need to conclude after all this). Everyone here is smart enough to conclude on their own after all this. That is why go with Solace (or rather Sastec protectors) and thus I say Rynox does market well but does not deliver what they market. So either sell authentic or stop selling! And stop putting up with changes in website after a version 2 and all the supergrip, safety stitch, dupont terms that most customers won't understand and thus are easily fooled.

P.S: I am not associated to any of these brands in any ways, heck I am not even from their cities of manufacturing or selling. I have suggested Rynox to many and do not really hate the brand except the lies they put up everyday. Cheers to the tearing bums of Supergrip !
You are free to meet me in person and do all the due diligence required !

My replies in bold and italics above.

[Astrix]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Do you know the difference between types of cordura ? The cordurayarns ? Solace straighaway mentions Cordura polyester yarn on their jacket tag.

Ans:Of course I know Type of Cordura. Solace on their website and as per my screenshot mentions "750D Cordura Ballistic". I do not want to see the jacket tag as they clearly mention "750D Cordura Ballistic" on their website- as per my earlier screenshot.
Now, please check the Cordura website and under the "Cordura Ballistic" tab, they do not even have 750D. So again, which 750D Cordura Ballistic is Solace talking about.

Repeating again, Cordura is made from many yarns and has many types itself like Maxtex and Polydura. Ps Rynox doesn't even mention denier count of DuPont Cordura if it even exists. BTW check this REV'IT! Materials Information :: MotorcycleGear.com
evenrevit mentions 750D so that means revit is lying now ??

Ans:Stop misleading. Ofcourse Revit is not lying. Revit is using 750D PWR Shell and not 750D Cordura Ballistic (which does not even exist as per Cordura and is used by Solace as mentioned on their website). Please check your own link. They are not using "Cordura Ballistic" neither have they mentioned so. Infact they have made their own fabric called 750D PWRshell. So stop misleading and check your own link. And if you are doing this on purpose. I am out of this after this comment.

Do read the mail again, they are made from same material. Joint protectors are not certified 'officially'. You answered yourself here.
About the harden and hurt point, I live atnainital, sub zero is like normal for us, this never happened to anyone I know. Also, Knox is already hard and hurts no need of sub zero.

Ans: If they have made the joint protectors with the same material, why did they not pass 'T-' test "officially" (And No one here cares for the unofficial stuff)?
Knox and D3O both pass these test "officially", just btw and hence mention it on their website.

So now really are you vouching for Sas tec which has not passed the tests "officially" against the ones (Knox and D3O) which have "officially" passed these tests? Save me the grace!
Mail Screenshot attached again! - "Not Certified officially" is enough I believe.As I said Sas tec are good protectors but NOT as good as Knox and D3O. The day they have these test certified "Officially" we can talk about it, till then Knox and D3O will be better than Sas tec for me going by the official certifications.

Conclusion: Let everyone now conclude for themselves.

[Anand1983]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

hi all. had a mail conversation with solace on fabric material.

"HI, I am an existing customer of Solace ( with Passion gloves 9months and 7000 km young with daily use). I am happy with the product. Now looking for a riding jacket. Interested in Defender Plus. As per the website, Cordura is used in Defender plus, can you specify which all areas are made with Cordura in the jacket? AFAIK cordura is only used in abrasion hit parts of a jacket like elbows , please confirm. If Cordura is only used in some parts please provide details of material from which other parts are manufactured."

the reply
"HI*


Defender is with full of cordura construction .




Thanks & Best Regards*

Team SOLACE"

food for thought again

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Do you know the difference between types of cordura ? The cordurayarns ? Solace straighaway mentions Cordura polyester yarn on their jacket tag.

Ans:Of course I know Type of Cordura. Solace on their website and as per my screenshot mentions "750D Cordura Ballistic". I do not want to see the jacket tag as they clearly mention "750D Cordura Ballistic" on their website- as per my earlier screenshot.
Now, please check the Cordura website and under the "Cordura Ballistic" tab, they do not even have 750D. So again, which 750D Cordura Ballistic is Solace talking about.

Repeating again, Cordura is made from many yarns and has many types itself like Maxtex and Polydura. Ps Rynox doesn't even mention denier count of DuPont Cordura if it even exists. BTW check this REV'IT! Materials Information :: MotorcycleGear.com
evenrevit mentions 750D so that means revit is lying now ??

Ans:Stop misleading. Ofcourse Revit is not lying. Revit is using 750D PWR Shell and not 750D Cordura Ballistic (which does not even exist as per Cordura and is used by Solace as mentioned on their website). Please check your own link. They are not using "Cordura Ballistic" neither have they mentioned so. Infact they have made their own fabric called 750D PWRshell. So stop misleading and check your own link. And if you are doing this on purpose. I am out of this after this comment.

Do read the mail again, they are made from same material. Joint protectors are not certified 'officially'. You answered yourself here.
About the harden and hurt point, I live atnainital, sub zero is like normal for us, this never happened to anyone I know. Also, Knox is already hard and hurts no need of sub zero.

Ans: If they have made the joint protectors with the same material, why did they not pass 'T-' test "officially" (And No one here cares for the unofficial stuff)?
Knox and D3O both pass these test "officially", just btw and hence mention it on their website.

So now really are you vouching for Sas tec which has not passed the tests "officially" against the ones (Knox and D3O) which have "officially" passed these tests? Save me the grace!
Mail Screenshot attached again! - "Not Certified officially" is enough I believe.[ATTACH]234726[/ATTACH]As I said Sas tec are good protectors but NOT as good as Knox and D3O. The day they have these test certified "Officially" we can talk about it, till then Knox and D3O will be better than Sas tec for me going by the official certifications.

Conclusion: Let everyone now conclude for themselves.

Well you do not know the difference between cordura and invista threads. No point debating with you. Just reading literature from internet and posting it here ha ? If I give you 5 cordura swatches you won't be able to identify them apart. Tell me the day you visit ONGC labs of textile designing and learn something about material brother.

Ha stay with your level 1 rashy knox and enjoy the ride while I enjoy the comfort of sastec even in Nainital cold. Also enjoy your T- readings and stuff that I will never encounter with Sastec. How many people do you know encountering problems anyways ha ?

Ha level 1 knox is better. Stay happy. 1>2.
(One greater than two, no point debating with you)

Everyone can decide now.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

hi all. had a mail conversation with solace on fabric material.

"HI, I am an existing customer of Solace ( with Passion gloves 9months and 7000 km young with daily use). I am happy with the product. Now looking for a riding jacket. Interested in Defender Plus. As per the website, Cordura is used in Defender plus, can you specify which all areas are made with Cordura in the jacket? AFAIK cordura is only used in abrasion hit parts of a jacket like elbows , please confirm. If Cordura is only used in some parts please provide details of material from which other parts are manufactured."

the reply
"HI*


Defender is with full of cordura construction .




Thanks & Best Regards*

Team SOLACE"

food for thought again

Cordura is not only used in specific parts brother and a jacket can be made out of it. Defender plus is 750d polyester cordura and this is true no matter what we debate. Go with your choice without a doubt. I don't own Solace or Rynox right now but given a choice, Solace it is for me, anyday. I don't go by literature on internet and reading things from people who do not understand invista yarn and stuff and go by 'Dupont cordura' and 'Superslip fabric' that thatsn't even exist for now. Cheers !

[Astrix]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Well you do not know the difference between cordura and invista threads. No point debating with you. Just reading literature from internet and posting it here ha ? If I give you 5 cordura swatches you won't be able to identify them apart. Tell me the day you visit ONGC labs of textile designing and learn something about material brother.

Ha stay with your level 1 rashy knox and enjoy the ride while I enjoy the comfort of sastec even in Nainital cold. Also enjoy your T- readings and stuff that I will never encounter with Sastec. How many people do you know encountering problems anyways ha ?

Ha level 1 knox is better. Stay happy. 1>2.
(One greater than two, no point debating with you)

Everyone can decide now.

1) I understand much about Cordura, dear. Yes Invista (formerly DuPont textile and Interiors) is a company that owns Cordura (brand) and Invista has other yarns and threads also, but what does that prove?
I referred to the content mentioned on Cordura's website (Specifically about Cordura -"Ballistic") that '750D' yarn count is not available "officially". So what '750D' Cordura "Ballistic" is Solace using as mentioned on their website? Why are you denying this? If '750D' was available in Cordura "Ballistic", kindly provide a reference!

2) I do not want to boast about my experience/qualification in textile here. So well, you can get me those 5 fabric and judge for yourselves.

3) Sas tec vs Knox, Again!
Sas tec is a good protector but not as good as Knox or D3O,again !
Dude, you are the one talking about ONGC Labs etc., then how can you neglect the fact that Sas Tec has not “officially” passed certain CE tests (as per Sas tec’s email pasted earlier), which Knox and D3O “officially” have.


To be "officially" certified like Knox and D3O, the armor are subjected to an impact of 50J in that temperature. (Did you do that in Nainital?). Now God forbid but in case you take a hit imparting 50J of force, the armour may simply not protect you or may protect you lesser than an "officially" all test certified protectors like Knox or D3O.

Then why would there be labs for official report for CE certification? Would all company not just test their products in Nainital!

I have been using a Rynox Advento Pant and Tornado pro jacket since more than a year (also taken a fall with it) and I have never faced any rashes, a bit of burn initially but once I adjusted the knee guard, I never faced any problem till now.

I am not your enemy brother, but I just want you to be safe and thus I took this effort to prove that Sas tec is not as safe as Knox or D3O. Nonetheless, you can have your own choices, now.

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Cordura is not only used in specific parts brother and a jacket can be made out of it. Defender plus is 750d polyester cordura and this is true no matter what we debate. Go with your choice without a doubt. I don't own Solace or Rynox right now but given a choice, Solace it is for me, anyday. I don't go by literature on internet and reading things from people who do not understand invista yarn and stuff and go by 'Dupont cordura' and 'Superslip fabric' that thatsn't even exist for now. Cheers !

1) Which part of Solace Jacket uses their so-called "Cordura Ballistic fabric" is immaterial now. As '750D' Cordura "Ballistic" as mentioned on Solace's website does not exist all as per Cordura (Brand)'s website. So first provide me a link to '750D' Cordura "Ballistic" (from Cordura (Brand)'s website).

2) My dear friend you really seem to have no knowledge about DuPont, Cordura or Invista. Get your facts cleared. Here's some help.
" Invista (formerly DuPont textile and Interiors) the world's leading fiber and intermediates business, today announced the launch of..."- This is from www.invista.com, itself. So Invista Cordura or DuPont Cordura is one and the same thing. Rynox chose to call it DuPont Cordura, what's wrong?
At least they are not selling false stuff like Solace (Defender Plus) by mentioning '750D' Cordura "Ballistic" (on their website) when '750D' Cordura Ballistic does not exist at all as per Cordura (Brand)'s website.
For instance: "Ashwariya Rai" is now "Aishwariya Rai Bachchan" so does it change her identity if people still call her "Ashwariya Rai" (Hope this analogy helps you understand- DuPont, Invista, Cordura).

PS: Besides by on ground experience about textile, I do learn a lot from the internet, like most of us. Ironically, we are having this conversation on the internet (forum) and we all come here to share and learn. So what’s wrong with internet literature. FYI- All my facts are from the brand’s website (Cordura, Invista, Knox, D3O, Sas Tec).

I just want all to buy authentic stuff and not fall for these new so-called brands.
Guy's stick to authentic brands like Spartan, Rynox, Cramster, Viaterra, etc. which have been tried and tested and are there in the market since long than risking it with such new so-called brand's. It’s your safety after all.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

1) I understand much about Cordura, dear. Yes Invista (formerly DuPont textile and Interiors) is a company that owns Cordura (brand) and Invista has other yarns and threads also, but what does that prove?
I referred to the content mentioned on Cordura's website (Specifically about Cordura -"Ballistic") that '750D' yarn count is not available "officially". So what '750D' Cordura "Ballistic" is Solace using as mentioned on their website? Why are you denying this? If '750D' was available in Cordura "Ballistic", kindly provide a reference!

2) I do not want to boast about my experience/qualification in textile here. So well, you can get me those 5 fabric and judge for yourselves.

3) Sas tec vs Knox, Again!
Sas tec is a good protector but not as good as Knox or D3O,again !
Dude, you are the one talking about ONGC Labs etc., then how can you neglect the fact that Sas Tec has not “officially” passed certain CE tests (as per Sas tec’s email pasted earlier), which Knox and D3O “officially” have.


To be "officially" certified like Knox and D3O, the armor are subjected to an impact of 50J in that temperature. (Did you do that in Nainital?). Now God forbid but in case you take a hit imparting 50J of force, the armour may simply not protect you or may protect you lesser than an "officially" all test certified protectors like Knox or D3O.

Then why would there be labs for official report for CE certification? Would all company not just test their products in Nainital!

I have been using a Rynox Advento Pant and Tornado pro jacket since more than a year (also taken a fall with it) and I have never faced any rashes, a bit of burn initially but once I adjusted the knee guard, I never faced any problem till now.

I am not your enemy brother, but I just want you to be safe and thus I took this effort to prove that Sas tec is not as safe as Knox or D3O. Nonetheless, you can have your own choices, now.

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1) Which part of Solace Jacket uses their so-called "Cordura Ballistic fabric" is immaterial now. As '750D' Cordura "Ballistic" as mentioned on Solace's website does not exist all as per Cordura (Brand)'s website. So first provide me a link to '750D' Cordura "Ballistic" (from Cordura (Brand)'s website).

2) My dear friend you really seem to have no knowledge about DuPont, Cordura or Invista. Get your facts cleared. Here's some help.
" Invista (formerly DuPont textile and Interiors) the world's leading fiber and intermediates business, today announced the launch of..."- This is from www.invista.com, itself. So Invista Cordura or DuPont Cordura is one and the same thing. Rynox chose to call it DuPont Cordura, what's wrong?
At least they are not selling false stuff like Solace (Defender Plus) by mentioning '750D' Cordura "Ballistic" (on their website) when '750D' Cordura Ballistic does not exist at all as per Cordura (Brand)'s website.
For instance: "Ashwariya Rai" is now "Aishwariya Rai Bachchan" so does it change her identity if people still call her "Ashwariya Rai" (Hope this analogy helps you understand- DuPont, Invista, Cordura).

PS: Besides by on ground experience about textile, I do learn a lot from the internet, like most of us. Ironically, we are having this conversation on the internet (forum) and we all come here to share and learn. So what’s wrong with internet literature. FYI- All my facts are from the brand’s website (Cordura, Invista, Knox, D3O, Sas Tec).

I just want all to buy authentic stuff and not fall for these new so-called brands.
Guy's stick to authentic brands like Spartan, Rynox, Cramster, Viaterra, etc. which have been tried and tested and are there in the market since long than risking it with such new so-called brand's. It’s your safety after all.

The first and foremost fishy thing about you is that whenever I point out something, the Rynox website changes the description. First removed cordura from information of Air Gt v2.0 and now removed DuPont from Tornado Pro. Clearly speaks volumes about your association with Rynox.

Ps we haven't forgotten you pulling a guy for saying that Apex evo is not drum dyed and you kept mum later. Rynox changed information back then too ha ? We remember.

Secondly, whatever the material be, it is still not so flanky as Rynox which doesn't even care to mention denier count and the type of Cordura. We all know the marketing gimmicks rynox uses. Even if Solace stays to be proven wrong, what Rynox did by removing Cordura and dupont from website, by not mentioning type and denier count speaks volumes about them.

Rynox removed the word cordura and dupont, similarly Solace could have chosen to remove ballistic. Now we know Rynox more ha ? Air GT customers, RIP.

You want to buy brands ? All desi brands are new comers be it Rynox or Solace. And the thing about authenticity, Rynox is the most gimmicky and I know many guys with pants and gloves and jackets tearing up in 6-8 months, just browse through the forum and you shall know about it. Even Aspida uses Sastec and TBG uses sastec armour for their top of the line jackets, Knox does not cut it even close to sastec in protection as well as comfort. I guess you never tried a sastec laden jacket for that matter.

I would still trust my life with sastec over the crappy and choppy knox armour. Who knows the hard armour may harm me instead. I am more than happy to select sastec over knox. Many people trust unbranded armour over these brands and have done all of India with the 'unbranded' ones and jackets like Kross and Vega which are similarly gimmicky as a Rynox jacket.

You use Rynox, I don't use Solace or rynox except Solace gloves, have tried Rynox jackets but they can never keep a purist in me content with all the hidden stuff and gimmicks and things like Supergrip fabric. After removing Cordura word from the site, Rynox has lost all my remaining trust too.

God forbid, if I have to buy Knox in future, I shall rather go with Zeus instead of Rynox gimmick.

Guys trust the brands which stay on their words, the guy is trying to mention branding and all and then promoting brands that don't even use branded armour, much like Vikas promoting BBG gear. Stay clear of such people in your lives, manipulating information and being associated with a brand and promoting them hardcore on a forum.

Stay with better armour, it is your money. Stay with brands that clearly mention things rather than brands that remove information after 2-3 years of a product launch and change information after 2-3 years too. Who knows they may even change more information !

We as customers will always be cheated by these changes in information. Imagine buying a jacket thinking its cordura and the next day the brand changes its stance !!

RE safari jacket with sastec and Cordura with hang tag and sew label at 4500. I learnt to put my money, hope you all do. I won't promote any brand here like him.

I am sure of your brand association now and won't waste my time debating with you. People can well read my past replies and judge what is better. Level 1 over level 2, gimmicky information changes being supported by you. You think we customers are fools ? Wake up.

Cheers !

[somenath1061]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Hello guys,
I will be buying my first good riding gloves in few days. I am a little confused between full gauntlet/semi gauntlet gloves.
I will be riding 40% in city, 50% on highways (60kms-300kms,60kms is almost 5 days a week schedule, and some occasional visits to my relatives who live 125-300kms from my place once a month) and 10% long tours (Sikkim and AP planned for next year).

I was wondering if it's ok to go with semi sized gloves like Aspida hades, BBG semi gauntlet (as i will be able to use them in city also) or should i go with full gauntlet and purchase some ~Rs.1000 riding gloves for city.

Kindly suggest some good gloves as per your experience.
Thankyou.

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City riding : Motocross style gloves. Best comfort and feel
Highway riding: leather gloves
Going for full or semi gauntlet depends on you personal choice but the later is safer. Do check all available gloves in person before ordering.

I use scoyco MC10 for city and TBG sport for highway. I ride 40 km a day.
Other options : DSG, Rynox, Cramster, Spartan, Zeus, alpinestar etc etc
Leather gloves price starts from 2000 and up. MC10 costs around 1000 and is very comfortable.

[somenath1061]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I have a TBG and it also sports level 2 armour. Rynox has service center in Mumbai in case something needs repair. Don't know about solace. May be this info helps.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I have a TBG and it also sports level 2 armour. Rynox has service center in Mumbai in case something needs repair. Don't know about solace. May be this info helps.

Solace also has svc in Mumbai and offers repair. Cheers !
TBG jackets are very good and sport all the way level 2 armour. But TBG glove, TBG sport is the best quality till date. It just asks for more thrashing haha.