Universal : Riding Gear Thread

[Astrix]

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Should i consider rst r16 as an option?
Someone told me i can get it for about 16-18k
Not sure i'll be going for trips or to the track
//Btw thanks for the suggestions guys ✌️

fuel in my veins

RST jackets are also good. With that kind of a budget you have alot of international brands open for option too.. Alpinestars are over priced. Check Rev’it at www.highnoteperformance.com.

[Siddhartha.S]

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Rynox itself imports a lot from China/Pakistan itself. Can't be manufacturing for any other brand. I doubt that.

But the jacket looks nice.

Very nice review ! Appreciated !

Maybe!? I'm not entirely sure. But the quality visually is good, and comfortable too. The protective pads too aren't bad.

The jacket looks good. Post your long-term review once you use it for some time.
If it's made by Rynox then even better (but never know). Check if it has a made by tag or something.

Yes, will do a long term review. There's tags of CE rated armours, and one Kavach tag thats all.
Also it has a rain liner, forgot to mention it before and there's another zipper for the winter liner. Rain and winter liner can be worn together.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Maybe!? I'm not entirely sure. But the quality visually is good, and comfortable too. The protective pads too aren't bad.


Yes, will do a long term review. There's tags of CE rated armours, and one Kavach tag thats all.
Also it has a rain liner, forgot to mention it before and there's another zipper for the winter liner. Rain and winter liner can be worn together.

I will myself be buying a cheaper riding jacket for other use purposes. Ofcourse I plan to use Sastec level 2 armours from my bigger jacket in it, on a later date. Will provide a detailed review after I get it and after doing some major rides.
This year I plan to pick many riding gears and as always, provide a writeup to help perspective buyers.

[praths]

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While my plan to buy a new bike has been postponed a bit, I was looking out to buy a jacket and a helmet? Need your suggestions.
For city commutes, weekend rides and long bike rides too (but 4-5 times a year). Budget- Jacket: 8-9k and Helmet: 6-7k. Have already used jackets (handed down by a friend who bought a new one) in the past so fairly accustomed to using protective apparel.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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While my plan to buy a new bike has been postponed a bit, I was looking out to buy a jacket and a helmet? Need your suggestions.
For city commutes, weekend rides and long bike rides too (but 4-5 times a year). Budget- Jacket: 8-9k and Helmet: 6-7k. Have already used jackets (handed down by a friend who bought a new one) in the past so fairly accustomed to using protective apparel.

Helmet - Stretch a bit and get MT Revenge, or buy MT Thunder 3 in your budget.

Jacket - Textile - pick RE Safari or Solace Defender plus.
Mesh - Rynox tornado pro or TBG Knight 2.

MT revenge is sharp 5 star rated.
MT thunder 3 is sharp 4 star rated, thunder 3 gets a internal sun visor.

RE safari and Solace defender use same level 2 sastec armours on elbow and shoulder, back is foam on RE, solace gets a CE level 1 unbranded protector. Safari is a touring fit, Defender is sport fit. Both cost ₹7500.

Rynox Tornado Pro L2 is mesh, (check L2 please, L1 is not worth the money). Gets Knox Microlock CE level 2 protectors on elbow and shoulder, back is a foam. While TBG knight 2 gets Sastec CE level 2 on elbow, shoulder, back. Rynox costs around 7950 and TBG is ₹9450.

You can also check Rynox Storm around 9450, (design is a copy of IXS jacket). It is mesh, uses same Knox microlock level 2 on elbow, shoulders. Back is unbranded level 2 armour, chest contains foam pads. (although the size is so that other protectors would hardly fit).

I would pick combination of Thunder 3 and TBG (mesh) or solace (textile).

Additionally, knox back protectors or chest protectors are not available for upgrades, so you will have to buy a sastec if you upgrade, will cost you around 2000 for the back protector.

[praths]

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Helmet - Stretch a bit and get MT Revenge, or buy MT Thunder 3 in your budget.

Jacket - Textile - pick RE Safari or Solace Defender plus.
Mesh - Rynox tornado pro or TBG Knight 2.

MT revenge is sharp 5 star rated.
MT thunder 3 is sharp 4 star rated, thunder 3 gets a internal sun visor.

RE safari and Solace defender use same level 2 sastec armours on elbow and shoulder, back is foam on RE, solace gets a CE level 1 unbranded protector. Safari is a touring fit, Defender is sport fit. Both cost ₹7500.

Rynox Tornado Pro L2 is mesh, (check L2 please, L1 is not worth the money). Gets Knox Microlock CE level 2 protectors on elbow and shoulder, back is a foam. While TBG knight 2 gets Sastec CE level 2 on elbow, shoulder, back. Rynox costs around 7950 and TBG is ₹9450.

You can also check Rynox Storm around 9450, (design is a copy of IXS jacket). It is mesh, uses same Knox microlock level 2 on elbow, shoulders. Back is unbranded level 2 armour, chest contains foam pads. (although the size is so that other protectors would hardly fit).

I would pick combination of Thunder 3 and TBG (mesh) or solace (textile).

Thanks for the inputs. Will check the MT helmet and also the TBG Mesh Jacket and Rynox Storm/Tornado and Solace Defender in person at stores or online. Do not want to go for an RE jacket as I may use it on other bikes and it would look a little odd to be using an RE jacket on a bajaj (say). What about Aspida, just checked the website for MT Helmets and came across some good-looking Aspida jackets too?

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Thanks for the inputs. Will check the MT helmet and also the TBG Mesh Jacket and Rynox Storm/Tornado and Solace Defender in person at stores or online. Do not want to go for an RE jacket as I may use it on other bikes and it would look a little odd to be using an RE jacket on a bajaj (say). What about Aspida, just checked the website for MT Helmets and came across some good-looking Aspida jackets too?

Aspida is mostly level 1 armour, except the Aspida Nemesis 2, you can check that jacket too. It's a mesh jacket with those neon yellow Sastec protectors, CE level 2 (doesn't get a back protector again) Price is around 7500.

Looking at this, you may just pay for TBG and get back protector in 9500 itself plus the protectors used are higher quality costlier Sastec ones.

[praths]

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Aspida is mostly level 1 armour, except the Aspida Nemesis 2, you can check that jacket too. It's a mesh jacket with those neon yellow Sastec protectors, CE level 2 (doesn't get a back protector again) Price is around 7500.

Looking at this, you may just pay for TBG and get back protector in 9500 itself plus the protectors used are higher quality costlier Sastec ones.

Thanks, buddy.
Checked the Nemesis online and also the Defender, felt the Nemesis to be a better one of these by the look of it. But will try and check it in person. TBG and Rynox also will certainly try. Have heard really good reviews on TBG as well as Rynox.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Thanks, buddy.
Checked the Nemesis online and also the Defender, felt the Nemesis to be a better one of these by the look of it. But will try and check it in person. TBG and Rynox also will certainly try. Have heard really good reviews on TBG as well as Rynox.

By the look, Nemesis is a mesh jacket. More ventilated, less safer.

Defender is a textile, less ventilated but much more safer.

Also the armours are very different ! Defender uses better, higher quality ones from the same brand.

More differences lie in padding on the arms on defender, etc.

The mesh on Tornado pro is small holed, one on nemesis 2 is large holed.

Personally, I can't stand mesh jackets since they only provide protection on elbow, shoulder and near waist, technically. Kind of feels like waste of money to me, until it is being used solely for wearing when going out for buying grocery etc or for short 2-3km city spins.

[Somesh1902]

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By the look, Nemesis is a mesh jacket. More ventilated, less safer.

Defender is a textile, less ventilated but much more safer.

Also the armours are very different ! Defender uses better, higher quality ones from the same brand.

More differences lie in padding on the arms on defender, etc.

The mesh on Tornado pro is small holed, one on nemesis 2 is large holed.

Personally, I can't stand mesh jackets since they only provide protection on elbow, shoulder and near waist, technically. Kind of feels like waste of money to me, until it is being used solely for wearing when going out for buying grocery etc or for short 2-3km city spins.

same thoughts regarding mesh jackets.

[praths]

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By the look, Nemesis is a mesh jacket. More ventilated, less safer.

Defender is a textile, less ventilated but much more safer.

Also the armours are very different ! Defender uses better, higher quality ones from the same brand.

More differences lie in padding on the arms on defender, etc.

The mesh on Tornado pro is small holed, one on nemesis 2 is large holed.

Personally, I can't stand mesh jackets since they only provide protection on elbow, shoulder and near waist, technically. Kind of feels like waste of money to me, until it is being used solely for wearing when going out for buying grocery etc or for short 2-3km city spins.

Nemesis and Defender both are using the same protector I believe, as mentioned on their website. Will check it in person. Buying these online is so difficult, will have to spare some time to visit some store .

Personally, I feel its important to wear something that's comfortable. Textile jackets are too uncomfortable. Mesh is better for high way rides too, I have done it earlier. The problem with the complete textile jacket is that you fry inside and then eventually you avoid wearing it altogether which translates to zero protection. I believe comfort adds to your safety because only then you feel like wearing a jacket, else you just skip it.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Nemesis and Defender both are using the same protector I believe, as mentioned on their website. Will check it in person. Buying these online is so difficult, will have to spare some time to visit some store .

Personally, I feel its important to wear something that's comfortable. Textile jackets are too uncomfortable. Mesh is better for high way rides too, I have done it earlier. The problem with the complete textile jacket is that you fry inside and then eventually you avoid wearing it altogether which translates to zero protection. I believe comfort adds to your safety because only then you feel like wearing a jacket, else you just skip it.

Buddy they use the same brand protectors, not the same model of protectors. Nemesis will have a cheaper yellow neon type, defender and RE safari have same one piece black colored sastec.

I do not find textile jackets uncomfortable by the way, infact they are much more comfortable compared to mesh, where you will be half ventilated, half sweating [emoji12] .
But yes, it boils down to personal preference.

Also, mesh is no way better for highway riding, it is unsafe and the wind dehydrates your body faster too.

I have a textile jacket since 15k kms now and never felt like not wearing it, though I admit mine has very large vents.

About comfort, comfort comes with sastec protectors, try them to believe them. They are soft and mould to body shape, yet they harden on impact.

Now that I have started the mother of protectors topic,
there are two types of these soft or viscoelastic polymer dough protectors.

One is end to end like the D3o, which hardens from end to end on impact.

The other is core type like sastec, which also mitigates the force and only hardens as much as needed.

D3o has been known to fail in independent lab tests. While sastec was just behind forcefield protectors bagging the #2 and #3 positions both.

These tests were done by Motardinn magazine (the one I am talking about, there are numerous tests).

[praths]

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Buddy they use the same brand protectors, not the same model of protectors. Nemesis will have a cheaper yellow neon type, defender and RE safari have same one piece black colored sastec.

I do not find textile jackets uncomfortable by the way, infact they are much more comfortable compared to mesh, where you will be half ventilated, half sweating [emoji12] .
But yes, it boils down to personal preference.

Also, mesh is no way better for highway riding, it is unsafe and the wind dehydrates your body faster too.

I have a textile jacket since 15k kms now and never felt like not wearing it, though I admit mine has very large vents.

About comfort, comfort comes with sastec protectors, try them to believe them. They are soft and mould to body shape, yet they harden on impact.

Now that I have started the mother of protectors topic,
there are two types of these soft or viscoelastic polymer dough protectors.

One is end to end like the D3o, which hardens from end to end on impact.

The other is core type like sastec, which also mitigates the force and only hardens as much as needed.

D3o has been known to fail in independent lab tests. While sastec was just behind forcefield protectors bagging the #2 and #3 positions both.

These tests were done by Motardinn magazine (the one I am talking about, there are numerous tests).

Protectors I will check. Thank you.
But mesh vs textile I still will go with Mesh (personally).
Can you please share the link to the Magazine for those test, would love to see those?

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Protectors I will check. Thank you.
But mesh vs textile I still will go with Mesh (personally).

All about personal preference sir.
Textile for me anyday, since protection is first and foremost. Plus I don't lose body water in summers.

Though I am going to buy a mesh jacket for grocery shopping etc, very soon. A very cheap one. Will swap protectors for sastec and let's see how it goes.

[praths]

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All about personal preference sir.
Textile for me anyday, since protection is first and foremost. Plus I don't lose body water in summers.

Though I am going to buy a mesh jacket for grocery shopping etc, very soon. A very cheap one. Will swap protectors for sastec and let's see how it goes.

Please share the link to the magazine in which those tests are involved.