Universal : Riding Gear Thread

[ktmcrazy9596]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Everyone can see who is acting like one. Exactly.
Also about feeling cheated, people buy Zeus jackets with unbranded GP protectors above 8000. Honestly, most people don't even care. People must feel cheated when they come to know the back is a 'foam' and not a protector in it's sense, as advertised.
Same goes for CE thing. No siding.
What about other people going with Rynox reading protector and finding a foam ? Sad for them too.

I do not want an apology it is not going to help. Solace should replace all the back protectors with genuine CE protectors and agree that they have sold Fake CE protectors.

Protector or armor is a common word used by all brand
1) There can be Non-CE approved protector
2) There can be CE approved protector

When I read the Rynox website and ask myself are these protectors CE certified, you get a clear genuine answer from Rynox (website)- that it's a not CE certified protector or armor.

While in case of Solace if you ask them are the back protector CE certified. You get a blatant lie- "CE certified back protector" when it is NOT CE certified.

[Astrix]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Yeah side with your favourite brand. Nice tactic guys. Instead of demanding apologies, you decide to side up.

No more replies from me on this topic.

What Rynox did is like selling a bucket, calling it a helmet.

Keep being a hypocrite now.

Only Rynox calls it Protector?
Even Spartan, Zeus, Cramster, Mototech all call it protector or armor. So for using the word 'Protector'. All brands - Mototech, Solace, TBG, Cramter, Zeus, Rynox, Scimitar should provide an apology. I agree. But this apology should be for using the word 'protector' or 'armour' and not for selling a fake CE product.

In this industry the first thing we ask is "if the PROTECTORS are CE certified". I never ask "If these PADS are CE certified".

Solace sold a fake CE certified product. Period.

So for Solace, we need a different apology (from all the other brands) or rather a ban, they bloody sold a product with fake CE protector. This is exactly why we tell everyone to stay away from replica of Alipinestar because you get "Fake CE" protectors.

Btw selling a fake CE product is a crime in Europe. Its like faking your mark sheet.
While using the word protector or armours instead of 'pad' (funny, you fighting over a word) is I don't know what.

So anyway apology from All brands - Mototech, Solace, TBG, Cramter, Zeus, Rynox, Scimitar for using the word protector as you say. And they should use the word 'Pad'.

And a Ban on calling Solace a brand for selling a Fake CE back protector just like those Replica Alpinstar that you get for 3000/-.

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I do not want an apology it is not going to help. Solace should replace all the back protectors with genuine CE protectors and agree that they have sold Fake CE protectors.

Protector or armor is a common word used by all brand
1) There can be Non-CE approved protector
2) There can be CE approved protector

When I read the Rynox website and ask myself are these protectors CE certified, you get a clear genuine answer from Rynox (website)- that it's a not CE certified protector or armor.

While in case of Solace if you ask them are the back protector CE certified. You get a blatant lie- "CE certified back protector" when it is NOT CE certified.

Buddy no point talking to him. He will still continue to recommend Solace and bash Rynox for no rhyme or reason. (Which is evident when he asked only Rynox to apologise and not Spartan, Mototech, Scimitar, Cramster, DSG- as all use the word 'protector' or 'armour')

What Solace (none of the other brands above) did is a crime. Selling Fake CE protector. This needs no apology. This needs a ban and a consumer case !

Anyway you should also write to Solace for the fake back protector arguing here is not going to help.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I am not here to argue.

And yes I recommend what is best in that budget.

I am not related to Solace in any way, the way you are bashing me feels like it.

No rhyme or reason ? I am no child here to cry about on a public forum.

D3o cracks, file a case on them too for failing.
Klim had protectors fail, file a case on them too.
File a case on anyone you want, who am I to care ?
What Rynox did is also a crime, needs a consumer case again.
Also file a case on numerous other brands selling CE1, file a case on XY for that China thing if you can't find documents. Do your whim.

Cheers !
I do not associate myself to any brand, do as you wish. I recommend what is good.
Again, even if the back protector is a fake, it is better than a foam 'protector'.
So still the jacket beats the competition hands down. The other armours are Sastec, industry leading.
Do remember to sue all those brands [emoji12]. I don't gain or lose anything.

[The Mountain]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

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No rhyme or reason ? You would also be banned in europe for calling a foam a protector. I am no child here to cry about on a public forum.
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Just FYI, my USD$350 Firstgear jacket uses a D3O foam back "protector", my previous USD$200 Joe Rocket UFO jacket had a foam pad they actually called "Spine Armor", and a quick search reveals that Alpinestar calls their foam-only KR-2i product a "protector" as well. So no, you wouldn't be banned in Europe for using the word "protector" to describe foam protection.

[Astrix]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Just FYI, my USD$350 Firstgear jacket uses a D3O foam back "protector", my previous USD$200 Joe Rocket UFO jacket had a foam pad they actually called "Spine Armor", and a quick search reveals that Alpinestar calls their foam-only KR-2i product a "protector" as well. So no, you wouldn't be banned in Europe for using the word "protector" to describe foam protection.

Exactly my point.
Call it "protector" or 'Armour' or whatever suits us. Infact check website of all the brands in India- Spartan, Mototech, Rynox, Zeus, Cramster or even Royal Enfield (who also sell their apparel in Europe) all of them call it either protector or armor. No one used the word 'pad'
Here's a screenshot of Royal Enfield's website. the called it EVA Foam protector too.


He is just trying to bash one brand (as I said earlier for no rhyme or reason).

I pointed out that Solace is using a Fake EVA Foam and calling it CE when it is not CE. In his entire comments, he has spoken so little about this and rather went on and on about "Protector" and "Pad" and what not just to bash a brand. He is rather ridiculous! (Rather to cover up the Fake CE protector supplied by Solace, he was smartly diverting the topic with complete non-sense arguments)

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I am not here to argue.


D3o cracks, file a case on them too for failing.
Klim had protectors fail, file a case on them too.
File a case on anyone you want, who am I to care ?
What Rynox did is also a crime, needs a consumer case again.
Also file a case on numerous other brands selling CE1, file a case on XY for that China thing if you can't find documents. Do your whim.

Any protector can crack when impacted by force more than what it gets tested for to pass a CE test (50J), does not mean you can file a case. They have passed the CE tests.You are talking about some of the best brands in the world, here.
XY protectors are used by brands like Royal Enfield, Spartan, Mototech also... so you mean all of these brands sell bad quality protectors? Just because they are made in China? Even Alpinestars are manufactured in China.
XY are authentic CE protectors. Go to their website and you will find one of the most finest CE labs in Europe- Satra has issued them CE certificates

Again, even if the back protector is a fake, it is better than a foam 'protector'.

I rest my case when you are now supporting a Fake back protector too, just because it comes from your favorite label (No more should I call Solace a brand), while on the other hand, you demean XY protector (which come with authentic CE certificate just because they are made in China) and here you support a fake back protector by Solace.
hahahahah..

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

You are shooting personal comments now, I would ask mods to check this. Again, I am not associated to any brand. Kindly keep a check on your words, this is a public forum.
Also, I do not need to divert any topic here. You should rather ask them for clarification than keeping your nonsensical rhyming around here.
Why blame me for Solace now ? What am I their dad ? I don't even own a defender plus.
Whatever suits us ? Are you a manufacturer ?
I don't need to bash any Indian brand anyways, certainly.
Again, please maintain the decorum of this forum.
And come on, I won't pick that protector anyways, let alone XY.
Getting CE certificate doesn't mean end of the story, go look up some international forums and the cracking and curling cases of D3o. Though yes, they issued replacement armour which in some cases, cracked again.
I repeat, I said not trusting XY or YCF is my side of the decision. I have seen safetech protectors in person, infact I own them, I know the quality of Safetech and XY both. Make in China doesn't make them low quality, I agree, but they are actually low quality, which is the truth.
Again, my favourite label ? I have none. I am not a brand loyalist like you sir. I do not have associations to any brand, stop hurling personal comments over here.
It is best that you ask to Solace for your questions, rather than asking me. I am not their dad.
Again, my jacket does have a proper back protector from Sastec, and it belongs to the brand Solace. I am much happy with it.
I will recommend this jacket, no doubt. Solace Furious is the name, not defender plus. Stop with your allegations on me now. Haha ! I am not solace ! Read the name.

[Astrix]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

You are shooting personal comments now, I would ask mods to check this. Again, I am not associated to any brand. Kindly keep a check on your words, this is a public forum.
Also, I do not need to divert any topic here. You should rather ask them for clarification than keeping your nonsensical rhyming around here.
Why blame me for Solace now ? What am I their dad ? I don't even own a defender plus.
Whatever suits us ? Are you a manufacturer ?
I don't need to bash any Indian brand anyways, certainly.
Again, please maintain the decorum of this forum.

Can I please understand where did i do a personal comment ?
In case I have. I sincerely apologize for it. Besides no one else has felt that I was rude to them till date.

I am not blaming you for Solace of course. But since you were talking about this topic. I was just replying to your comments as whatever you said as per my knowledge was not correct information. I was rather commenting becuase I pointed out the points of CE approval after seeing the image uploaded by a fellow xbhpian and you went ahead to shadow this information and argue with me.
But you need to be fair and give fair inputs and not inputs to favor a brand especially when you know they are selling fake Back protectors. So rather just talk about the topic and contribute.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Can I please understand where did i do a personal comment ?
In case I have. I sincerely apologize for it. Besides no one else has felt that I was rude to them till date.

I am not blaming you for Solace of course. But since you were talking about this topic. I was just replying to your comments as whatever you said as per my knowledge was not correct information. I was rather commenting becuase I pointed out the points of CE approval after seeing the image uploaded by a fellow xbhpian and you went ahead to shadow this information and argue with me.
But you need to be fair and give fair inputs and not inputs to favor a brand especially when you know they are selling fake Back protectors. So rather just talk about the topic and contribute.

Read again, I never shadowed any information. I said ask for a clarification from the manufacturer, you started to ask everything to me as if I manufacture that back protector !
Again, my jacket has a Sastec back protector and it belongs to Solace brand. I am happy with the jacket !

[Somesh1902]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Now you guys are arguing like kids.
Trying to prove wrong to each other.

[Astrix]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I don't need to bash any Indian brand anyways, certainly.

You clearly were over some wrong information like "Protectors" and "pads" and even said that it is a crime in EU (which was false information). I just corrected it.
Same with XY.

Now rather would it not be better to talk about the Fake Back Protector provided by Solace and enlighten fellow riders about how to check a fake back protector (as we have just found this out about Solace since a pic was uploaded by a member and Solace claimed it to be CE protector on their website too).
We should rather tell people to check back protectors (of any brand you choose to buy) for genuine CE certification and not fall for brands like Solace who sell such fake protectors.

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Now you guys are arguing like kids.
Trying to prove wrong to each other.

Buddy, Not really trying to do that.

1) He said Protectors and Pad and its crime etc.
Which is wrong information. I just corrected.

2) Then he talks about XY etc.

While the topic of discussion was Solace selling Fake CE back protectors, which we found out thanks to your photos.
To this, he has spoken so less and rather diverted the topic to what not. Klim and D3o etc..

If someone like Solace is selling fake stuff we should spread the word, why bash a brand.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I would also enlighten fellow riders about the protector that is really a piece of foam, this is India and not EU, we do not have msf courses et cetera here to understand these basics. Also, tell them to check back protectors of any brand they buy.
As I always say, go branded on the protection, unbranded is always shadow job, be it any brand.

Again, I would not ask people to buy XY or ever recommend that one.

Again, this is India and not EU. My jacket is from solace and has a Sastec on the back. I do not have any doubts about the jacket I use.

[Astrix]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I would also enlighten fellow riders about the protector that is really a piece of foam, this is India and not EU, we do not have msf courses et cetera here to understand these basics. Also, tell them to check back protectors of any brand they buy.
As I always say, go branded on the protection, unbranded is always shadow job, be it any brand.

CE is European Conformation which we all follow everyone in the world- USA, India. As these are the only standard available to test a motorcycle safety apparel protector.
So when a brand in India sells a protector by calling it CE, they better be responsible and sell a CE protector. We should not let a brand like Solace get away by selling fake CE protectors.

Of course, branded ones are much better. But that's not the point here. We are not discussing which back protector is better.

We are talking about the fact that no brand in India should get away by selling Fake CE protectors just because they feel Indians don't know much about this. A brand is a label of authenticity. Isn't that the reason we ask people to stay away from Alpinestars replica, etc.
In fact, you also just said that we should go for branded protectors because you believe a brand will sell you authentic product. If a brand like Solace sells fake how is it even a brand? We should not recommend such brands when we have so many options here. If a brand can sell a Fake CE protector for all we know they must be using the fake material, fake branded zips and what not.

But no matter what, when a brand says CE we should be responsible and check the CE certification (be it any jacket or brand)

Though I am glad you have a good experience and have Sastec protector to save your back in your jacket.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

You want me to not recommend Solace ? Okay I won't.
If you think this helps, let it be helping.
But I guess, I will not recommend a jacket, rather than bashing all products, India is a very minute and small market for riding gears, there is scope of improvement on part of all rather than copy EU things.
That's all. And yes, I only pick sastec for my safety, purist you can say, but I am quite interested in Knox Flexiform too, for the level 1 ofcourse, not so much in the Microlock.

[Astrix]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

You want me to not recommend Solace ? Okay I won't.
If you think this helps, let it be helping.
But I guess, I will not recommend a jacket, rather than bashing all products, India is a very minute and small market for riding gears, there is scope of improvement on part of all rather than copy EU things.
That's all. And yes, I only pick sastec for my safety, purist you can say, but I am quite interested in Knox Flexiform too, for the level 1 ofcourse, not so much in the Microlock.

Who am I to stop you from recommending Solace. It is just responsible of us to inform this piece of information about Fake CE back protector used by Solace. (Rather bash Solace for using Fake CE Back protector as much as you bashed Rynox in your past comments for merely using the word "protector" (which is even used by Royal Enfield, Spartan, Cramster, Zeus, etc.)..hehehe..just kidding. Let's not bash any brand and just put out our knowledge and experience and bring to light such fake protectors sold by Solace to the world.

I agree. India is a small market for this and all brands from India should work towards making it to the international level. Maybe someday one of our Indian brands will be sold internationally. But such acts of selling fake CE back protectors will not be helping.

With regards to Protectors, we have had conversations on this alot of time on this forum.
Sas-tec protectors are good but they do not "officially" passing the T+ and T-tests of CE certification and thus I myself use and recommend Knox. Especially the T+ test is of particular importance given the heat we face while riding here in Mumbai and Sastec "officially" do not pass the T+ test.
Yes, Knox Flexiform and Microlock both are good.
As far as our choices go, To each his own.

[jatinpatel8]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

After all this discussion, which jacket is good under 10k???