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**sheelpriye** · 10-03-2010, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post

I have ZMA and have ridden friend's apache and fazer on bad roads at high speeds...The zma was eating all Potholes seamlessly with fazer also performing good

How high were the speeds and how bad were the roads?

Is this the criterion you judge street Motorcycles and their suspension?

Karizma is based on CRF-230 platform (which is a dirt bike) but then to exploit it all, you got to add knobblies 19", remove the plastics and let go else it handles good, but definitely not the best. You want to thunder across potholes? Ridden a RE before? Ride one and come back.

**111diablo111** · 10-04-2010, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post

Karizma has got the best suspension followed by Fazer and Apache 180 coming to last...

+1 from my side..

**Satyamzma** · 10-04-2010, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

How high were the speeds and how bad were the roads?

Is this the criterion you judge street Motorcycles and their suspension?

Karizma is based on CRF-230 platform (which is a dirt bike) but then to exploit it all, you got to add knobblies 19", remove the plastics and let go else it handles good, but definitely not the best. You want to thunder across potholes? Ridden a RE before? Ride one and come back.

ENFIELD is just too heavy and hard to dance in City...that bike is totally different..there is no competition to Bullet

**sheelpriye** · 10-04-2010, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by 111diablo111 View Post

+1 from my side..

I though you would add more than +1 or +100 for that matter.

Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post

ENFIELD is just too heavy and hard to dance in City...that bike is totally different..there is no competition to Bullet

Weren't you somewhere talking about bad roads? And now about city roads?

You both got to ride a mono equipped Karizma(some fitted with Unicorn or R15's mono) to see where the game is and that how much can a shock absorber affect a Motorcycle's handling and its characteristics.

Karizma's suspension isn't the best on-road. (Ride an R15/Dazzler/FZ hard and fast)

Off-Road--Karizma is capable, but it needs fair bit of tweaks and needs to shed all its plastics.

I would be surprised to find if satyamzma's lugs wouldn't break if he is claiming he rode hard and fast on bad roads.
Ashish Moudgil has won Raid multiple times on heavily modified Karizma and the competition was from Fieros, no less.

And for heaven's sake, get over the syndrome of--"My pencil is longer than yours". It would be interesting to note the comments, once you sell off your respective Motorcycles.

**111diablo111** · 10-05-2010, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

I though you would add more than +1 or +100 for that matter.

??
didn't get you exactly..

**Satyamzma** · 10-05-2010, 02:06 PM

yes sheel i was talking about off roading ....we can't talk about Bullet and Dazzler here since Thread starter has not asked about those bikes..in this three bikes when you compare ZMA will score more while off roading..

**111diablo111** · 10-05-2010, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

I though you would add more than +1 or +100 for that matter.

Weren't you somewhere talking about bad roads? And now about city roads?

You both got to ride a mono equipped Karizma(some fitted with Unicorn or R15's mono) to see where the game is and that how much can a shock absorber affect a Motorcycle's handling and its characteristics.

Karizma's suspension isn't the best on-road. (Ride an R15/Dazzler/FZ hard and fast)

Off-Road--Karizma is capable, but it needs fair bit of tweaks and needs to shed all its plastics.

I would be surprised to find if satyamzma's lugs wouldn't break if he is claiming he rode hard and fast on bad roads.
Ashish Moudgil has won Raid multiple times on heavily modified Karizma and the competition was from Fieros, no less.

And for heaven's sake, get over the syndrome of--"My pencil is longer than yours". It would be interesting to note the comments, once you sell off your respective Motorcycles.

from where you brought R15, FZ, Dazzler in this topic when ts mentioned three different bikes & their comparison..

**sheelpriye** · 10-06-2010, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by 111diablo111 View Post

from where you brought R15, FZ, Dazzler in this topic when ts mentioned three different bikes & their comparison..

Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post

I have ZMA and have ridden friend's apache and fazer on bad roads at high speeds...The zma was eating all Potholes seamlessly with fazer also performing good but apache was bouncing at rear...

Are you color blind or do not understand binary?

and yes, your replies are still awaited here--

Pls help me out guys!!! Help me chose between RTR 180, ZMA-R, and FAZER - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/what-bike/14849-pls-help-me-out-guys-help-me-chose-between-rtr-180-zma-r-fazer-5.html#post500029

Having tough time selecting a bike and looking for expertsÂ’ opinion? Then this is the place for you...

xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/500029-post46.html

and what is with your thumb-down sign? Do not drop one-liners and troll, if you got to add something valuable, contribute, else...

@satyamzma-- Karizma is a very capable off-roader sans its plastics, no two ways about it.

Motorcycles are too sweet to be spoken evil about. So I avoid it.

**Satyamzma** · 10-06-2010, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

@satyamzma-- Karizma is a very capable off-roader sans its plastics, no two ways about it.

You said it...even having those plastic is no problem for me because it looks quite handsome with those

**sambit** · 10-06-2010, 12:53 PM

The only concern for me is that,Your height is 6'1.
Else every thing is perfect in the Apache.
Take a test ride, and see, how comfortable you are...
I love to take my Apache in long rides,but its not the same for my friend,who is 6 feet tall.he feels a bit cramped.
Keep the ZMR as 2nd option in your mind(not ZMA).
Forget Fazer.

**111diablo111** · 10-06-2010, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

Are you color blind or do not understand binary?

and yes, your replies are still awaited here--

Pls help me out guys!!! Help me chose between RTR 180, ZMA-R, and FAZER - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/what-bike/14849-pls-help-me-out-guys-help-me-chose-between-rtr-180-zma-r-fazer-5.html#post500029

Having tough time selecting a bike and looking for expertsÂ’ opinion? Then this is the place for you...

xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/500029-post46.html

and what is with your thumb-down sign? Do not drop one-liners and troll, if you got to add something valuable, contribute, else...

i think you just got stuck at one point & wanna spoil this topic while fighting over ZMR n R15 again

you think by this way you are helping TS??

**sambit** · 10-06-2010, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post

I have ZMA and have ridden friend's apache and fazer on bad roads at high speeds...The zma was eating all Potholes seamlessly with fazer also performing good but apache was bouncing at rear...

Should have adjusted the rear shocks to heighest position.It is five step adjustable.

Then you will see how it takles the potholes.though,at that position,cornering is a bit hard.

**sheelpriye** · 10-06-2010, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by 111diablo111 View Post

i think you just got stuck at one point & wanna spoil this topic while fighting over ZMR n R15 again

I was putting forward facts, which you tend to ignore for the symptom called "My pencil is longer than yours"
Fighting, LOL, choose better words, its a discussion, participate if you got to contribute, else...
Stuck at one point? LOL

you think by this way you are helping TS??

TS? Only a TS is viewing the topic? What about scores of others who come at a forum like xBhp for valuable inputs?

Spend some time over here, see how the discussion moves and please avoid sentiments of "My bike superior than yours" whilst pouring out suggestions/recommendations as it is pretty apparent. I am just calling a spade, a spade.

**111diablo111** · 10-06-2010, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

I was putting forward facts, which you tend to ignore for the symptom called "My pencil is longer than yours"
Fighting, LOL, choose better words, its a discussion, participate if you got to contribute, else...
Stuck at one point? LOL

TS? Only a TS is viewing the topic? What about scores of others who come at a forum like xBhp for valuable inputs?

Spend some time over here, see how the discussion moves and please avoid sentiments of "My bike superior than yours" whilst pouring out suggestions/recommendations as it is pretty apparent. I am just calling a spade, a spade.

for sure we should discuss about different bikes but that doesn't mean we should start in any thread created by anyone seeking for help regarding buying a bike..while talking about "My bike is superior then yours" point, yeah on some points my bike will be superior on others n vice versa on other points, so that's an endless discussion which will lead into spoiling a thread nothing else..

**sheelpriye** · 10-06-2010, 01:52 PM

You wisely choose to ignore some points which would bother you,
Good.

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