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Madhav, Comfort levels of ZMR/ZMA are better than P220. The gas-charged rear shocks of ZMR are superior to the coil springs of ZMA. High quality gas shocks give better ride quality than coil springs. ZMR's and GS150's gas shocks are very good.
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Last edited by ravi@17bhp; 10-16-2010, 05:13 PM.HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
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Hi ravi, yes the comfort of ZMA is better than p220 anyday. I cant say the same about a ZMR since when i have ridden it i found the bike had a kind of seating postion in which we lean to forward while in the ZMA i found the seating position to be straight. Hence i said a ZMA is more comfortable than ZMR.Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
BTW i even found the ZMR to be a bit heavier.NOT BEEN THERE NOT DONE THATComment
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@ Ravi: I guess the debate here is seating position vs the ride quality. While the gas charged shocks improve the ride quality of the ZMR over the ZMA, the slightly sportier seating position of the ZMR, makes it, for some people, a little uncomfortable. Like in the case with the R15, great suspension, provides a really good ride quality, but the sporty seating position makes it a tad difficult to ride on long rides. But then again, if you sit the right way on an R15, it isn't all that bad.Originally posted by madhav krishna View PostPhoenixflight.Comment
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Oh I didn't know the seating position of the ZMR was altered a bit? Is it similar to the P220F in that case?Comment
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Regarding the position of handle bar on Zma. My handle bar position is different from that of factory. I adjusted them according to my comfort. All it takes is to loosen the nuts and push or pull. It can be further or closer to the rider by 2-3 inches without much noticeable difference in its height. This makes me think, how does mechanics put it back to its original position if they are ever removed. My guess is they simply give a rough estimation and tighten them. So any given bike that has handlebars removed can be off easily by an inch or two from another bike. Which is the right position is at best debatable
. I feel mine is right as I have adjusted them for me 
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Exactly bro. You have understood what i wanted to sayOriginally posted by phoenixflight View Post
The gas charged shocks do make the ride much more enjoyable by absorbing the poth holes but the sporty position makes the ride little bit uncomfortable.NOT BEEN THERE NOT DONE THATComment
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^^ In that case I need to ride the ZMR then! I did have a chance to ride the P220F (but it was just in a small compound
) and felt the riding posture was relaxed yet a bit sporty.
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Yeah. Thats the best way to select the bike. Ride all of the bikes & the select one with which you are comfortable.Originally posted by chicmagnet View Post^^ In that case I need to ride the ZMR then! I did have a chance to ride the P220F (but it was just in a small compound) and felt the riding posture was relaxed yet a bit sporty.NOT BEEN THERE NOT DONE THATComment
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Does the P220F have the problems its earlier iterations had?Comment
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Well the bajaj in the past had a lot of problems. Now although the number of problems has reduced but still they do exist. Different people have different stories. Check thishttp://www.xbhp.com/talkies/what-bike/14045-bike-college-commuting-rtr-other.htmlOriginally posted by chicmagnet View Post
The major problem on the p220 are its vibrations & high maintenance due to use of parts with reduced quality. Although the high maintenance part is offset by the fact that its parts are dead cheap.NOT BEEN THERE NOT DONE THATComment
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Bro u can check the ownership thread of p220 about the problems,i agree that there were problem in past but in the 2010 edition it is almost(not completely) niggle free,am using this bike for 6 months and 6K kms completed,In this period all i want to change is air filter sensor under warranty,that was done in second service and in the vibration part are u talking about the fairing vibration,thatz also rectified.Originally posted by madhav krishna View Post
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Bro zmr is worth extra 20k than zma as it offers remarkable mileage(and u can look on the tech spec on zmr) than zma without compromising in power,our fellow xbhpian did a 800+km tour with his zmr and he always maintained 100+ speed and topped up to 131 on speedo and he got an amazing mileage of 44kmpl
. In the tourer thread u can check the mileage of zma on 100+ speeds,it hardly gives~33kmpl.
So i suggest u to look forward on WHITE ZMR,its damn hotA LOST RACE IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN A LOST LIMB
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in my case i didn't feel any difference in sitting position of ZMA & ZMR when i rode them before buying my bike..even now sometimes i exchange my zmr with my friend's zma while we ride them in city condition, to me both bikes have more or less same comfort level..Suzuki Gixxer - Current
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@vishnu:-yup thats what i am saying. The older batch p220 had a lot of problems but the new pulsars of 2010 batch dont have that many problems. If you say that the newer pulsars are totally maintenance free then sorry i cant agree with you. And about the vibrations thing it were present in the older batch which i had rode. Although i dont know about the newer ones. Looks like the bajaj has now started improving & is taking our suggestions into considerations.
The fuel efficiency of the ZMR also doesnt has any guarantee. No bike has a guarantee of any fuel efficiency figures. So investing 20k for a fuel efficiency of just 10kms is like paying 1 lakh more for a diesel engine instead of petrol (in cars) for just marginally better fuel efficiency. Although it does provide a lot of features but those are not that important. For instance the full fairing increases the maintenance or only a 0.6bhp power increase etc. Moreover its waiting period is very high. So when you purchase a ZMA then you will save a lot of moolah which you can invest to buy a proper riding gear.NOT BEEN THERE NOT DONE THATComment
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I already have riding gear just need a proper bike now!
If the new batch of P220F is indeed a better product than I can have a look at it. I did and am constantly checking the P220F thread and its very informative but what I dont know yet is the maintenance/mileage of the 2010 batches & whether they require constant care (more so than say a ZMR).Comment
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@madhav bro - you don't consider FI as a main add on kya?
FI..rear disc..tubeless tyres..split handle bars enhance performance of karizma with few sensors as safety features or even to make it environment friendly
& fully digi console is just awesome..though few people love analogue meter even more, its solely an individual choice..again few people might like fairing & few won't + both suspensions..atleast oil colled (i used ATLEAST cuz i was dissapointed as LC'ed was absent from it )
ZMA is truly best bang for your money but if you want to add few more goodies, then ZMR should be your choice, according to me only FI was enough for me to go for ZMR instead of ZMA though i also loved additional goodies along with it
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