The FI is an important ad on. But you have to consider a lot of factors before deciding instead of just FI. The FI might be good in US & other developed countries but in india i dont think it would be a better choice. Consider that you are travelling on a highway & you have got some problem with your FI & the bike has stalled on the middle of nowhere. Then you find a roadside bike mechanic. When you will show your bike to him then he will be like . Then what will you do?? Push the bike untill a HH showroom (title of hero honda "dhak dhak go"). Instead if you have a plain carb engine then almost any roadside bike mechanic can fix it.

Now dont say that the FI does not have any problem since its of a honda. Afterall its made by a mere human who is prone to make mistakes.

& yeah i am one of those guys who love semi-analog/digital console i.e. analog tachometer & digital speedometer. The FI just gives an increase of 0.6 bhp power which is not any huge increase in power. The rear disc brake, gas charged shocks, digi console are worth but you have to consider the extra price also. You can get same features minus FI in p220 also at a very low price or same features with some more extra things in R15 in a relatively lower price. Moreover the oil cooler is not that efficient in heat dissipating. Its just better than air cooled & nothing else.

Need a advice from You Guys

First of all sorry for interrupting you guys in between posts.

Secondly... But primarily I'm looking for a bike to tour along with my wifey. I need a bike which can easily glide through ghat sections with ease (rider+Pillon+sufficient amount of lugguage)
Currently I own a Hunk(fab bike in my opinion) but feeling it under powered(and especially very low torque) hence planning to buy a bike primarily for tours.
Currently I have short listed
* HH ZMR(fairing goes against this choice as I want to use bike in any condition and i feel bike is abit underpowered)
* RE 500classic (against never ending waiting period and after reading many reviews now am afraid of maintenance and breakdowns)
* or wait for rumoured 200+cc bike from Honda...

Please do throw some light guys...

I second this query since I have the exact query.

But what I wanna know is how does the ZMR produce its power? My P150 fails miserably when it comes to going up slopes and barely manages it in 1st gear with my gf behind. It just doesnt produce any power at the lower RPMs .

Does the ZMR produce more power at lower RPMs? Is it the same with the P220F as well?

If you want the bike solely for touring purpose then dont go for R15 or ZMR. If you use them in very rough conditions then it can be a costly affair for you. More fairing= more nuts & bolts. So if you use it in rough conditions then there is a chance of those nuts to get loose. Their ground clearance is also less which can create a problem to you. Moreover a touring= a certain fall from bike. So even a single fall can cost you 1000+.

If only touring is your requirement then go for RE. No one can beat this undisputed leader which is built only for mile crunching i.e. touring.

The secondary option is karizma ZMA. Its a proven legendary tourer & you can find a lot of its legends all over xbhp. The ZMR is also a good bike & few people have taken it to leh also. But when you will compare it with ZMA then the stories about ZMR all very less & ignorable. Go for ZMR if your hand is itching & have a lot of money in hand to spend.

The third option is P220. A lot of people use it but a lot have reported reliability problems. Although the newer batch has relatively less problems.


If I were in your place then i would pick any bike from the first two because of their comfort factor.

BTW if you are choosing an RE then go for thunderbird twinspark. I guess its better than the 500classic in comfort of rider & pillion.

hey guys, if any1 is buying P220, ZMA, ZMR or R15, he's not gonna take his ride to any road side shop for repairing....... moreover the mechanics are becoming smarter each day....... they might take some time, but they can repair your ride....... thinking that your ride might get stuck on an empty strech ofr road, so you have to take some machine without any modern gizmos & technos....... or thinking that taking a product without modern gizmos is backdated product....... ride is something which should match your frequency....... not something you buy thinking, when its gonna break down on road....... or who's gonna repair it........ or will it be having issues on highways....... guys these models are top end products of each company and these have to be good....... each have pros & cons....... but thinking about some abstract possibility on highway is dumb........

I'm using P220 since feb'10....... already completed 15k........ amazingly, there's no issue with my Beauty....... not even the sound from the fairing...... people might call me lucky, but I'm damn happy with my Beauty...... other people might have been unlucky and were not caring their machine properly (no offense to anyone)....... taken it for many long rides....... got an average of 35 on highways, on my particular way of riding........ I use her mostly for highways.......
free servicings & 2 paid servicings are done........ on an average 600-700 spent.......
few issues faced -- rattling sound which was coming due to the loosening of screws on silencers....... & one time it fell off.......

500 would be a better option but since I didn't rode it personally, so difficult to comment on that....... similar for ZMR....... but surely ZMA feels underpowered on highways, so ZMR ought to be like that....... 500 is better of these two....... but at least wait for few more weeks before booking........ we might hear something from Honda....... else 500 is a good option........

i recommend You to go for Bullet Electra

+1 to this problem.. even i am in the same league right now.. looking for a bike with a top speed of about 150 kmph @ 8000 rpm max.. i.e i need a 300cc+ bike and that too at less than 2 lakhs..

the zma is good but not a worthwhile option when upgrading form a 150 cc bike.
p220 is like a horse.. goes fast but needs a lot of attention and maintainance..
r15 has thepowerband stuffed to high in its a$$ and hence it better for that tracks rather than touring..
mojo is new..

so the result is frustration, and only frustration when in tours..

ps:- to compensate for low power in my 150cc, i tour single seat and solo at 75 kmph avg speeds.. its sufficient but not adequate when you need to overtake on highways..

To climb steeps and slopes you need good strong low and mid range torque buddy power has relatively very work to do here. ZMA/ZMR produces 18.35Nm of torque as its has a long stroke block. And also its enough strong to impress.

RE 500classic produces somewhere around 42Nm of torque, hence I'm more leaning towards it but confused regarding maintenance.

Any particular reason behind this suggestion. Don't mind even I had this on my mind for sometime now. I feel it more manly, but after testing RE 500Classic I lost a part of my brain and heart to it. My only cry is i need a reliable bike. Just imagine standing in middle of a highway connecting a remote place and searching for help in hot sun because your bike broke down and no one is there to help you.

My criteria is not regarding high speeds but more about enjoying ride and cruising at 80 - 90 Kmph and I'm expecting a decent mileage depending on the bike. But more importantly I need a reliable bike.