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  • #46
    Originally posted by sajjt View Post
    Shree if ur bike dont've a reserve option, u should take the figures like in car "full tank to full tank- kms" for mileage, else it may give weird figures. I hope u know this procedure. Pls take as mentioned above and lets have those.

    If a new bike is returning 60Kmpl then why ur machine is not returning any near figures? THis is what I asked.
    Oops I guess I missed out something in conveying you.

    I had been for a run-in ride with my friend who owns a Dazzler. He got around 58kmpl.

    60+ kmpl is what my bike yielded at that riding conditions. Always under 50-60kmph, very less gear changes and proper highway. As I said somewhere in earlier post, that is definitely not a practical figure bcz you can't stick on to that speeds. For my regular city riding conditions I get about 48kmpl and on highways I get 44-45kmpl. But on wide open throttle I get 35-40kmpl

    Regarding fuel calculations, I am very much aware how much my bike yields so my calculations are not wrong . For sure not claiming false.

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    • #47
      @back to the topic, Scooter have smaller wheels and has bad shocks compared to bikes,
      125cc > TD slingshot / Glamour
      150cc> TD GS150R / Hunk /Unicorn
      more than 150cc > TD ZMR/ZMA, see if you like it

      I would recommend you Hunk, the GRS is dman good, else GS150R

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      • #48
        I own suzuki fiero and pulsar 200.
        Fiero is a breeze to ride in city traffic as its light and agile.No back pain.
        But its shock absorbers are stifff..so when you have lots of bad roads.Your back will get hurt.

        Pulsar 200. Best on highways but a real pain to ride in traffic due to its heavy weight.
        Wrist and shoulder takes more load than the back.
        In all my long ride in the highways,i get only shoulder pain and wrist pain and no back pain, But in tight city traffic of say more than 50kms,i get back pain also.
        Pulsar gas shocks are really good but posture is not good.

        My dad has an Activa and its very good for travelling to nearby shops but for long distance not good.

        I would say pick up a light weight bike with good amount of low-end torque for our city traffic condtions.
        Something like TVS Jive,Yamaha gladiator,Yamaha SZ-X(reviews says that you can ride all day without getting tired.its very comfortable)
        Unicorn and Gs-150 is also good but slighly heavy.

        Avenger is comfortable on highways and not that easy to manouvere in city traffic.Test ride and see for yourself.

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        • #49
          Friends, here's an update from my side:

          I've changed my rear shocks with a new nitrox, changed the front fork oil, springs. Difference was very evident as my shocks were in a pathetic condition which I couldn't noticed until I changed it. Now its taking all the pot holes in a better way which is far better than the old one. I hope this could be my root cause to the back pain.

          As Nano advised, I've changed the handle bar with FZ's and it made me to lean a bit forward as its being short. I think that gives a better posture in driving. Being with a elevated handle for the last 25 years it makes me bit uncomfortable but once I get used with that it may not not be an issue. Or I'll go back to stock handle.

          So, the copy right goes to Nanotech. Thanks dude for the tip.

          BTW, FZ handle bar now will cost 230/ incl all taxes. Is there any handle bar end weights for this? I forgot to aske the store guy. Will it affect in performance? Any body can elaborate the function of a weights on a handle bar. Heard that it gives better balance in mauve ring and reduces vibraton. Anything other than that?
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          • #50
            hmm
            Finally.

            230 is steep, i bought it for 130 including all taxes !!
            besides, those bar-end weights, are actually bar end sliders.
            Their main aim isn't avoiding the vibrations (as everyone are convinced) but to avoid handlebar end damage during a crash, in-turn your hand/wrist.

            it will cost you 148 bucks including taxes.
            (imagine i paid more money on the bar end sliders than the handlebar itself)
            they are too small, and made of plastic and can be fixed with a 5mm Allen key.

            i didn't like them personally as my fiero ones were metal and bigger, gave a rich feel, these ones are plastic and too small with no feeling .

            the reason i bought them was because once i put my finger inside the handle end (please don't ask why), and it took ages to came back out.
            i thought it would be better to cover it before i lose a finger.

            1 more thing, you'll find this handlebar a bit wider, and its easier to hit car RMVs so be careful.
            i already broke a merc m class's rvm once
            Giving a lot to a fiero.
            Expecting a lot from a fiero.

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            • #51
              ^^ The metal ones do actually reduce vibes!
              Your biking tells a lot about the person you are!

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              • #52
                Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
                .....
                besides, those bar-end weights, are actually bar end sliders.
                Their main aim isn't avoiding the vibrations (as everyone are convinced) but to avoid handlebar end damage during a crash, in-turn your hand/wrist.
                They reduce vibration. I have tested them with and without. Zmar-R bar-end weights / bar-end slider have two piece. One is a heavy solid metal piece that is visible outside, the other piece is also a heavy long solid steel piece that goes inside the handle bars and has rubber bushings to absorb vibration. This piece goes inside the handle bar and has no role in protection except to reduce vibration.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
                  hmm
                  Finally.

                  230 is steep, i bought it for 130 including all taxes !!
                  besides, those bar-end weights, are actually bar end sliders.
                  Their main aim isn't avoiding the vibrations (as everyone are convinced) but to avoid handlebar end damage during a crash, in-turn your hand/wrist.

                  it will cost you 148 bucks including taxes.
                  (imagine i paid more money on the bar end sliders than the handlebar itself)
                  they are too small, and made of plastic and can be fixed with a 5mm Allen key.

                  i didn't like them personally as my fiero ones were metal and bigger, gave a rich feel, these ones are plastic and too small with no feeling .

                  the reason i bought them was because once i put my finger inside the handle end (please don't ask why), and it took ages to came back out.
                  i thought it would be better to cover it before i lose a finger.

                  1 more thing, you'll find this handlebar a bit wider, and its easier to hit car RMVs so be careful.
                  i already broke a merc m class's rvm once


                  Sorry I couldn't stop laughing once I read ur posting. Lol

                  Yes its bit wider, I feel like Rajanikant once am on the bike now

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZJphxYZZcg&feature=player_detailpage


                  Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
                  ^^ The metal ones do actually reduce vibes!

                  Originally posted by kaynmantis View Post
                  They reduce vibration. I have tested them with and without. Zmar-R bar-end weights / bar-end slider have two piece. One is a heavy solid metal piece that is visible outside, the other piece is also a heavy long solid steel piece that goes inside the handle bars and has rubber bushings to absorb vibration. This piece goes inside the handle bar and has no role in protection except to reduce vibration.

                  Thats what I heard, may be the other one is a supplementary benefit.
                  Last edited by sajjt; 02-24-2011, 03:57 PM.
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                  • #54
                    I got an update on Bar End Weights:

                    How do bar-end weights change the resonant frequency and reduce vibration?

                    Resonant frequency is the frequency at which an object "rings" if it is moved. When you hit a tube with a hammer, and listen at the end of the tube, you are hearing the audible portion of its resonant frequency spectrum. The "fundamental" is the lowest note. In handlebars, this is the frequency made by the bars "flapping." By flapping I mean that the bar clamps stay put, while the tips move most. This fundamental frequency is typically the strongest frequency, thus the first one to attack.

                    Weights on the tips of the bars reduce vibration by moving the resonant frequency lower, away from the frequencies generated by the engine. This happens for the same reason that a heavier guitar string sounds lower, under the same tension, than a lighter one.

                    Because the effectiveness of a weight in reducing vibration this way reduces to zero as the weight approaches the bar clamp, I was careful to keep as much weight outboard of the bar-ends as possible. All the weight is concentrated where it is most effective- right near the bar-ends. All the weight is within 2.5" of the bar-ends. There's no dead weight as with solutions that go all the way through the bars. By moving the resonance lower, it typically moves further from the frequency of the engine, which reduces the build-up of vibration in the bars dramatically.

                    The other way to look at it is in terms of inertia. By solidly mounting the weights to the ends of the bars, the bar-ends gain a great deal of inertia, which means that they are much more reluctant to change speed. Since the flapping motion involves the bar-ends accelerating this way and that in rapid succession, any weight on the ends reduces this motion.

                    When you are trying to contain vibration by changing the resonant frequency, solid-mounting is the way to go. Any flexibility to the mounting muddies the effect of the extra weight, hurting the cause.

                    Courtsey:
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post

                      those bar-end weights, are actually bar end sliders.
                      Their main aim isn't avoiding the vibrations (as everyone are convinced) but to avoid handlebar end damage during a crash, in-turn your hand/wrist.
                      correction--

                      bar end weight are definitely for reducng vibrations and providing a good balance to bike and make it more stable. ever seen a rope walker in circus and how he balances on a rope with the help of a horizontal bar held in his hands. similar purpose here for providing stability and regarding vibrations already explained above.

                      to do this job bar end weights should be heavy metal peices like the one found in pulsars.

                      a lot of other motorcylcle manufacturers simply put a plastic piece which looks like bar end weights, is black in color and does nothing to improve bike's charecteristics becuse since it doesn't have any weight, it is not a bar end weight it is a just a fashion statement. i have seen this on my friend's Honda Dazzler. a few other bike's in india also have these plastic things attached which looks like bar end weights, but actually they do nothing. so they shouldn't be called bar end weights.

                      bar end weights should be heavy metal pieces like those on pulsars, then only they can reduce vibrations and improve your bike's stability and balance.
                      Last edited by princesirohi; 02-24-2011, 04:18 PM.
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                      • #56
                        Yes, i understand that, but these FZ ones are just 1 cm in length and are plastic made, they literally have NO WEIGHT, so how can it reduce vibrations ?

                        the heavier metal ones may do that.
                        Giving a lot to a fiero.
                        Expecting a lot from a fiero.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
                          1 more thing, you'll find this handlebar a bit wider, and its easier to hit car RMVs so be careful.
                          i already broke a merc m class's rvm once
                          You escaped from that car guy or paid for it

                          Originally posted by kaynmantis View Post
                          They reduce vibration. I have tested them with and without. Zmar-R bar-end weights / bar-end slider have two piece. One is a heavy solid metal piece that is visible outside, the other piece is also a heavy long solid steel piece that goes inside the handle bars and has rubber bushings to absorb vibration. This piece goes inside the handle bar and has no role in protection except to reduce vibration.
                          This thing is available only in Hero Honda afaik.

                          Pulsar's, FZ's just add it at the end of handle. Pulsar's are heavy but Pulsar's handles are very light (not clip-on's) so that weights are very much necessary.

                          Plastics are used in Honda's

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                          • #58
                            It was a merc M class, tinted enough to avoid seeing who was driving it.
                            I was fast enough, hence had no time to look back and wait for the music...
                            Either ways i was in a hurry.
                            Giving a lot to a fiero.
                            Expecting a lot from a fiero.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
                              It was a merc M class, tinted enough to avoid seeing who was driving it.
                              I was fast enough, hence had no time to look back and wait for the music...
                              Either ways i was in a hurry.
                              I guess its a C/E class, M class is a bigger SUV and hardly gets in contact with a RVM+2 wheeler handle bar as the RVM is located bit higher than normal cars RVM positions.

                              Anyways u r lucky to escape from a scene as it will cost around 30-40K.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
                                Yes, i understand that, but these FZ ones are just 1 cm in length and are plastic made, they literally have NO WEIGHT, so how can it reduce vibrations ?

                                the heavier metal ones may do that.
                                A "Weight" bar having "No Weight"?.....mmmm interesting. Kidding. I know what you mean. BTW, Sajit's right, it may have been a C/E or God forbid a S class Mercedes. Unless of course you have really high handle bars .

                                Got my car side mirror broke by some guy on a two wheeler trying to squeeze in an impossible space in traffic. No my car's not a .
                                Last edited by kaynmantis; 02-25-2011, 05:32 PM.

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