i beg to differ,if you rip it will give you around 33.

that's a good bike from honda stable for fairing-starved indian junta ,if priced sensibly can sell in huge no.

Go for KTM Duke or R15 any of one, as per your choose naked or fully flared. both are awesome bike according to performance.

Hey vinki_123
See if you are looking for sport kind of bike which should have sizzling look then you should go for R15, ZMR, CBR and Impulse but the fact is that they will not be very fuel efficient as their mileage will be around 30 to 40kmpl.

Yes I know! I was just saying sane riding will give decent mileage, the same applies to any other bike. Say even an unicorn with proper maintained carberoutor and service, the bike gives 55+, but if you rip it like crazy. even that returns around 38+ only!

Any R15 owner I came across has never seen 40kmph in the city conditions. You can expect 33-35kmpl in city conditions to quote the "fact".

Also both R15's deltabox and P200NS have the same frame call it anything. its a twin-spar frame. Duke 200 has trellis frame which is equally good.

4 valve technology does not contribute to higher mileage and neither does FI. The main benefit of having FI is hassle free starts in cold mornings. A well made manual carburettor can well compete with it. Also FI has to be replaced after doing many kms and comes expensive & also we dont have so cold seasons in India. having higher number of valves per cylinder gives more power not more mileage.

Since you want VFM P200NS has to be it. Also remember that Pulsar 200 NS has very strong reviews and is built to become a sucess. Best upgrade to a CBZ IMHO. Also P200NS is expected to give deadly combo of never seen before Power+Acceleration. Refinement is Japanese as per the best review available.

If you want exclusitivity, Duke 200 is the best buy. Also book soon before the prices rise.

If you want fairing and 150cc go for CBR 150R. Bikes like CBR150, P200NS, D200 will give you fresh and new feel(& even better acceleration) which you would lack in R15.

Advantage of 4 valve
- Better power, pick-up & throttle response
- Better fuel efficiency
-Low emissions
-peak power at relatively higher rpm so a free-revving engine.
-Light weight & compact Engine

A typical 2 valve engine has just 1/3 combustion chamber head area covered by the valves, but a 4 valve head increases that to more than 50% area. Because of this flow area of intake & exhaust port / passages leading to valves also get increased. This facilitates induction of more quantity of charge (air-fuel mixture) and also evacuation of all burnt gases inside the combustion chamber ensure faster, cleaner & more efficient combustion.

advantages of fi-
Operational benefits to the rider of a fuel-injected bike include smoother and more dependable engine response during quick throttle transitions, easier and more dependable engine starting, more pick-up,better operation at extremely high or low ambient temperatures, increased maintenance intervals, and increased fuel efficiency.

To cut short, i have four bikes in my mind -
The YAMAHA R15 Version 2.0,
KTM Duke 200,
Hero Moto Karizma ZMR and,
Bajaj Pulsar 200 NS

About me -
Age : 25
Weight : 78 kg (fairly well built)
Height : 5 feet 11 "
Budget : MAX 1.3L (onroad).

My 2 paise, forget the ZMR, it's a little outdated.

Take another extensive ride on the KTM and the R15, then await a test ride on the P200NS, before finalizing, all 3 are good bikes for the price and have their own merits and demerits, you won't go wrong with any of the 3.

^^ I would straight away strike out the faired bikes from your list. Not because they are not good or outdated, but because you want a bike that's going to be a traffic cutter and did you mention long lasting congestion?? to me that sounds more like no fairing please. It might look desirable, but it's going to slow you down in traffic, where naked bikes score coz they can fit into most of the gaps.

Coming to the naked ones.. the most recent launches Duke 200, P200NS upped the ante to whole new level in biking scenario. You can take quick look at RTR180 ABS. Personally, i'll go with 200NS as in the long run, it's maintenance cost will turn out to be much cheaper as it's still using carburettor.

Yes true about that combustion area. But 4valves are made to generate more power. If you have to generate same power in a 2valve engine 2valve would lose. But if you have to generate more FE in the same engine size (irrespective of power) 2valve will win. More combustion area also means more fuel required to burn. High rev engine is a result of 4 valve engine completely true.


Its actually easier to get good acceleration, FE, linear power delivery with FI compared to carburretor. With carburretor you can achieve similar results if engineered well. We have seen 220 Dtsi giving same or more power with slightly lesser FE compared to 220Dts-Fi. Bikes like CB-Unicorn, FZ give very linear power delivery even having a carburretor. The utmost usage of FI is hassle-free cold starts believe me.
I would still say that FI is much better technology than carburretor but both have their own advantage & disadvantages.

Advantages of Carburretor over Fi
Though difficult to get same results as FI but carburretor helps in good cost reduction. Carburretors can run without getting changes for a lac km easily and is cheap to change ofcourse. Carb bikes are much easier to service.

This article of Payeng I found to be very informative.
Carburetor Vs. Fuel Injection [Myths & Facts] | Bike Chronicles of India

actually fi in smaller cc is not a practical choice.sooner or later fi's gonna rule as the emission norms are getting stringent.although bajaj has found a worthy replacement for fi.lets see how feasible is it.

Go for KTM as it suits your need.

duke fits in ur budget..

Thank you guyz...... i have gone for R15 Version 2........ Thanks a lot for all your suggestions......

congo on your buy.