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  • Tourer! and also gonna be my first bike! Help me!

    Hi guys,
    am new here and from what i have gone through for a couple of days,
    You guys are great! Man, this is the place for me!

    Am just finished my college and will be going to Bangalore after a couple of months. Currently owning my dad's CD Deluxe.and have developed myself a passion for biking and touring.

    Here is my query.

    Am 165 cms height and around 75 kgs (average built).
    • Am going to buy my first bike.
    • Daily need : 50 kilometers city ride
    • and an average of 2.5-3k in touring/month (am doing it with my current bike even)


    during my current trips, i can average only a speed of 60 cause, beyond that it will strain the 100cc heart of my bike(of course, its not made for that). with my new bike, i don't want it to strain itself. Need a lotta power left at speeds of 110-130.
    • Budget : 1L+-20k
    • Mileage : Not a prob 35+ is okay
    • Expecting to own it for minimum 5 years


    after my lil research, have ended up with this list.

    1. Apache 180 ABS
    Pros: its my favorite!, but at speeds of around 120, can i ride long distances, around 1.5k in single day? cause i do that a lot.
    Cons: Vibration
    2. Karizma ZMR
    Pros: Heard, You can even ride a whole day in triple digits
    Cons: Old tech, ( no offense, but its a 2009 ZMA , with a little uplift, if am not wrong?) Hero Honda only virtually exists (personally, i think am risking lotta cash in for a company that no longer exists, am i right in this?)

    So, guys help me in adding some more options in this list. and help me choosing one too. Thank you mates!
    The limiter kicks in @11,500 rpm just within a second after the first shift..And, that's where the fun begins !! ;)

    My 1 Day rides - T'Log collection


  • #2
    Bike Query Approved

    If you are not in a hurry then have a look at the P200NS
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    • #3
      a good discussion took place at http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...a-zmr-560.html
      on the same topic....
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      • #4
        R15 or CBR150r

        If you want lot of power left at 110-130 then Apache i don think its the right choice. It does vibrate a lot after 110 and I don think you can do that speed all day. If I am wrong people correct me. Personally i am not interested in ZMR, but I heard people say it great tourer. Owners help him

        Did you consider the R15 or the CBR150r. If you have the budget I will suggest CBR250R.

        R15 has an aggressive riding posture and CBR150r a more relaxed one.

        1500ks a day you will ve a stiff back on any bike. And in between you should get a saddlesore attempt registered if you are not joking. Also if you have done it with a CD deluxe then you may be the unofficial holder of saddlesore on a least CC bike
        CBR250R |
        Bajaj Pulsar 180 - dts i |
        Bajaj CT 100

        Sometimes it takes a whole tankful of fuel before you can think straight.

        It was not that far on the map.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by neevarp16 View Post
          1. Apache 180 ABS
          Pros: its my favorite!, but at speeds of around 120, can i ride long distances, around 1.5k in single day? cause i do that a lot.
          Are you serious??!! You've done 1500kms in a day a lot of times on your CD Deluxe?!

          Budget : 1L+-20k
          Think over it again and you can consider CBR 250 R also.
          Last edited by sunny_; 05-02-2012, 04:16 PM.

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          • #6
            Thanks! and Replies!

            Originally posted by Chandru Raj View Post
            If you want lot of power left at 110-130 then Apache i don think its the right choice. It does vibrate a lot after 110 and I don think you can do that speed all day.
            Yep! got that cleared from the owners in the owner thread!

            Originally posted by Chandru Raj View Post
            Did you consider the R15 or the CBR150r. If you have the budget I will suggest CBR250R.
            Yeah, now started considering CBR150r. The ownership thread is getting some inputs. It will be nice, if there comes a official review of CBR150r

            Originally posted by Chandru Raj View Post
            1500ks a day you will ve a stiff back on any bike. And in between you should get a saddlesore attempt registered if you are not joking. Also if you have done it with a CD deluxe then you may be the unofficial holder of saddlesore on a least CC bike
            Originally posted by sunny_ View Post
            Are you serious??!! You've done 1500kms in a day a lot of times on your CD Deluxe?!
            Man, think you got that a little wrong! I asked that if i can do 1.5k in a day, but currently with my CD Deluxe have done a max of somewhere around .8-.9 in a day!
            Sorry for my words made you all misconceive what i actually was coming to say!
            And to mention, heard of saddle sore and all that info just yesterday! Never have heard such a thing exists! Anyways, will do it someday!

            Originally posted by sunny_ View Post
            Think over it again and you can consider CBR 250 R also.
            have considered CBR150r!
            It should be a good tourer, atleast for a starter like me, right?

            Originally posted by MG View Post
            Bike Query Approved

            If you are not in a hurry then have a look at the P200NS
            Thanks for approving! At last my thread is here!
            And, no offense, don't know why, but have developed a hatred for pulsars.
            The limiter kicks in @11,500 rpm just within a second after the first shift..And, that's where the fun begins !! ;)

            My 1 Day rides - T'Log collection

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            • #7
              Originally posted by neevarp16 View Post
              Hi guys,
              am new here and from what i have gone through for a couple of days,
              You guys are great! Man, this is the place for me!

              Am just finished my college and will be going to Bangalore after a couple of months. Currently owning my dad's CD Deluxe.and have developed myself a passion for biking and touring.

              Here is my query.

              Am 165 cms height and around 75 kgs (average built).
              • Am going to buy my first bike.
              • Daily need : 50 kilometers city ride
              • and an average of 2.5-3k in touring/month (am doing it with my current bike even)


              during my current trips, i can average only a speed of 60 cause, beyond that it will strain the 100cc heart of my bike(of course, its not made for that). with my new bike, i don't want it to strain itself. Need a lotta power left at speeds of 110-130.
              • Budget : 1L+-20k
              • Mileage : Not a prob 35+ is okay
              • Expecting to own it for minimum 5 years


              after my lil research, have ended up with this list.

              1. Apache 180 ABS
              Pros: its my favorite!, but at speeds of around 120, can i ride long distances, around 1.5k in single day? cause i do that a lot.
              Cons: Vibration
              2. Karizma ZMR
              Pros: Heard, You can even ride a whole day in triple digits
              Cons: Old tech, ( no offense, but its a 2009 ZMA , with a little uplift, if am not wrong?) Hero Honda only virtually exists (personally, i think am risking lotta cash in for a company that no longer exists, am i right in this?)

              So, guys help me in adding some more options in this list. and help me choosing one too. Thank you mates!
              Hi neevarp16, IMO CBR 150R or Pulsar 200NS can meet your requirements well. For Pulsar you have to wait till launch might be 1 or 2 months. If u consider CBR, Its available right now.
              Regarding your favorite Apache, it is not looking good in recent upgrade and also not much suitable for touring since it is not made for that when considering riding stance and vibration.

              200NS
              + hope it will be VFM
              + 200 cc (good performance)
              + decent mileage
              + naked styling

              -NO Fi
              -Serious touring may suffers due to wind blast

              CBR 150R
              + more power from 150 cc engine (17.6 ps)
              + good mileage
              + resemble the touring DNA from his elder sibling
              + Faired styling

              -expensive for 150 cc
              -absence of switch gears(engine kill and pass light)

              If you like faired one go for CBR150R else Pulsar 200 could be good. Wait for pulsar launch and decide which is more suitable for you.

              Ride Safe!
              2012 HONDA CBR 250 R C-ABS
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              • #8
                My replies:

                Am 165 cms height and around 75 kgs (average built).
                - Average build. Most Indian machines are tailor made for this profile

                • Am going to buy my first bike.
                • Daily need : 50 kilometers city ride
                • and an average of 2.5-3k in touring/month (am doing it with my current bike even)


                Need a lotta power left at speeds of 110-130
                Not many bikes have power left beyond 110-130
                The ones that have are:
                R15
                CBR150
                Duke200/P200NS
                P220
                ZMR
                CBR250R
                Apache 180 doesnt have a "lot" of power beyond 110-130 but yeah you can comfortable cruise at 120ish

                If you like the Apache 180 ABS go for it

                Karizma ZMR is not a virtual Hero Honda. It will remain Heros flagship performance product for quite some time. So dont worry on that aspect.
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                • #9
                  I would have recommended you the CBR150R but its slightly out of your budget, i dont think apache 180 is a good choice, i own it and i have toured many times on it. Its definitely not a touring machine.

                  ZMR is damn good, ZMA-R is even better(You can save 25k-30k and spend it on petrol for touring ) Both can cruise at high speeds for long times
                  ZMA is lighter, ZMR is very bulky...
                  But both are slightly out dated machines, if you dont care about that and just want a good touring machine, ZMA/ZMR will be damn good.

                  You can wait for P200NS but then again, i saw its test videos and it doesnt look like its made for touring, it top speed is around 136kmph and has a slightly aggressive position(compared to ZMA) and its reliability is not known.

                  Oh yea! When its about reliability ZMA/ZMR/CBR150R have been tried and tested.
                  Over all i would say, if you are very rich go for CBR150R, other wise ZMA will save you a LOT of bucks...
                  Apache 180

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                  • #10
                    Thanks guys, for your valuable time and replies,
                    satheez_7, satyenpoojary, saipranav

                    Originally posted by saipranav View Post
                    But both are slightly out dated machines, if you dont care about that and just want a good touring machine, ZMA/ZMR will be damn good.
                    Actually, that what is stopping me from choosing them!

                    Originally posted by satheez_7 View Post
                    Hi neevarp16, IMO CBR 150R or Pulsar 200NS can meet your requirements well.
                    Thinking of it!

                    Originally posted by satheez_7 View Post
                    Regarding your favorite Apache, it is not looking good in recent upgrade
                    Sad man! was worrying for days after seeing it in a showroom! Don't wanna talk about it!
                    And, special thanks for your classic + and - list!

                    So, I think extending the budget 10k more will get CBR150 in, as i heard its around 1.3L.

                    Left with options,
                    • ZMA
                    • ZMR
                    • CBR150R


                    Still can't leave that two 'idiotic' old machines out of the list! Damn, they are too good to ignore!

                    P.S. Sorry guys, my heart is not willing to go with a pulsar! No offense!
                    The limiter kicks in @11,500 rpm just within a second after the first shift..And, that's where the fun begins !! ;)

                    My 1 Day rides - T'Log collection

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by neevarp16 View Post
                      .

                      Here is my query.

                      Am 165 cms height and around 75 kgs (average built).
                      • Am going to buy my first bike.
                      • Daily need : 50 kilometers city ride
                      For CITY RIDE
                      1.UNICORN classic
                      2.GS150R
                      3.CBZ XTREEM
                      4.HUNK
                      5.FZ

                      and an average of 2.5-3k in touring/month (am doing it with my current bike even)

                      during my current trips, i can average only a speed of 60 cause, beyond that it will strain the 100cc heart of my bike(of course, its not made for that). with my new bike, i don't want it to strain itself. Need a lotta power left at speeds of 110-130.
                      • Budget : 1L+-20k
                      • Mileage : Not a prob 35+ is okay
                      • Expecting to own it for minimum 5 years

                      for Touring you need power/ comfort/ strong engine

                      1. ZMR
                      2. CBR 150R
                      3. ZMA


                      As you described the extensive touring ; i would suggest you to go for any touring bike above; among those ZMA is a VFM. CITY BIKE wont help you as the criteria you mentioned above for POWER/Touring Distance.

                      choosing one too. Thank you mates!
                      reply is in bold
                      RG

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by neevarp16 View Post
                        And, no offense, don't know why, but have developed a hatred for pulsars.
                        Is it because they are common everywhere or you are doubting on Bajaj's reliability? I can be wrong here, but I thought that way...
                        Anyway, comming back to your query, CBR 150 seems to be best deal for you (if not 200 NS). Stretch the budget a little more and you won't regreat.
                        Originality is the art of hiding your sources...

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                        • #13
                          Replies!!

                          Originally posted by Rajarshi View Post
                          reply is in bold
                          Thanks for the grouping mate!
                          fortunately, am ending up with the same 3 options for touring!
                          City ride is actually not a concern for me, will manage with the touring machine itself.

                          Originally posted by Rahul.Gvli View Post
                          Is it because they are common everywhere or you are doubting on Bajaj's reliability? I can be wrong here, but I thought that way...
                          Anyway, comming back to your query, CBR 150 seems to be best deal for you (if not 200 NS). Stretch the budget a little more and you won't regreat.
                          Probably, something like that!
                          but, on the safer side, I don't wanna stir up a brand war, that too not in my own thread!

                          With CBR150R, the owners too are giving a 'no regrets' reply!
                          That budget is slightly letting me down, though!
                          Lets see, how luck am gonna get.
                          My college is gonna over in a couple of days, and am leaving coimbatore. Will soon post what my family is waiting to say!

                          anyways, again telling, those three are my options for my touring machines!
                          anyone with any comments, you are welcome!
                          The limiter kicks in @11,500 rpm just within a second after the first shift..And, that's where the fun begins !! ;)

                          My 1 Day rides - T'Log collection

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by neevarp16 View Post
                            Probably, something like that!
                            but, on the safer side, I don't wanna stir up a brand war, that too not in my own thread!
                            A wise move buddy...

                            Would like to highlight some facts if you are considering ONLY these three machines i.e. ZMA / ZMR / CBR 150... Please see attached for reference (I can't acces any image hosting website as I'm in office )

                            But if this is the case, why does that CBR 150 is considered as 'BEST' tourer in that segment !? Just because it belongs to mighty CeeBeeArr's family !? Yes, it's elder bro CBR 250 is definitely a VFM and a nice tourer machine but why CBR 150 !?

                            @ Experts / Owners: Please don't get me wrong. Neither do I want to burn the thread in war but please pour-in your thoughts, so that the thread starter (and also me) will have some nice clear vision...

                            P.S.: @ neevarp16: Yes, they are two 'idiotic' old machines, but remember, they're proven best and that's why they are still in market...
                            Last edited by Rahul.Gvli; 05-02-2012, 09:52 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by neevarp16 View Post
                              Thanks for the grouping mate!
                              fortunately, am ending up with the same 3 options for touring!
                              City ride is actually not a concern for me, will manage with the touring machine itself.



                              Probably, something like that!
                              but, on the safer side, I don't wanna stir up a brand war, that too not in my own thread!

                              With CBR150R, the owners too are giving a 'no regrets' reply!
                              That budget is slightly letting me down, though!
                              Lets see, how luck am gonna get.
                              My college is gonna over in a couple of days, and am leaving coimbatore. Will soon post what my family is waiting to say!

                              anyways, again telling, those three are my options for my touring machines!
                              anyone with any comments, you are welcome!
                              I was in a similar predicament and chose a unwise option-A Royal Enfield Classic 350.........the wait is now impossible for me to bear!
                              I narrowed my list down(based on budget;which is 1.35 Lakh maximum,OTR) to Pulsar 220,Karizma ZMR,YZF R15 V2 and CBR150R(and the RE 350CC stable)
                              I rode the 220,and immediately ruled it out.I rode the R15(unfortunately after the RE TBTS) and felt cramped and the acceleration was a bit 'bogged down'!
                              I loved every moment on the RE-the sound it makes,the jarring vibrations,so I booked it(been three agonizing months).
                              The CBR @ 1.45Lakh OTR is out of budget.
                              So the one left is the ZMR.I loved the console and the sensors on board(even though I do not know which one does what) but I could not TD it!
                              I'll ride it and if I like it,I may go for it else,i'll wait for the Classic.
                              My Primary requirements were:
                              1)Looks
                              2)FE
                              3)Ride pleasure
                              4)Smoothness(benchmark:my friend's 6 year old Unicorn)
                              Last edited by Vishwas Bharadwaj; 05-02-2012, 08:57 PM.
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