Being a ZMR owner, I must say that even though the specs are dated, the bike won't let you down. ZMR scores over ZMA-R in the mileage front due to FI. I have been able to extract close to 43-44 kmpl with my bike so far. Thats too good for a 223 cc mill.
ZMA-R is the same bike (almost), minus the console, fairing and FI. But, pure VFM.

Now, coming to the rest. CBR 150R seems a good product, but on a pricier side though. But you won't regret it in future. Has lots of power in the higher range.

If you don't like the P200NS, what about the Duke? Its a street scorcher, though not tailor made for touring, but I'm sure those 25 horses will be helpful.

Cheers.

Machines!



and yeah am accepting they are one of the best in the market and so only still being unable to rule them out


Having a few questions for you?!

First:
When did you bought your ZMR? before H&H parting or after that?
Most guys who own it from long back says, their ZMR is oil-cooled, but the current website specs says, it is air cooled.
Is it really oil cooled before partition or air cooled ?
and if oil-cooled back then, what happened now? ZMR degraded??

Second:
Is there any difference between technologies 'FI' and 'PGM-FI'?
I guess there is really some difference, and if so..
Again, why the hero website quoting the specs as only 'FI' and not 'PGM-FI'?

Third:
Please, some comments about ZMR's higher end ride experiences?
Vibe, smoothness, engine strain, throttle, power, blah blah...

Cause, recently there is a discussion going on in CBR150R's thread, that it reaches 100kmph at some 8000 rpm that too in third gear! Guessing, the upper end smoothness, and am again going

Please don't get me wrong guys, am this curious for some reasons.
Learning about bikes only now, and it is exciting, awesome!
Also, am so concerned about a ZMR, cause CBR150 feels a little high on pocket and should not miss a good machine<ZMR>, for not getting enough to know about it!
After all, you won't be tired of explaining about your machine, right?

I am sure you are unaware about the new Pulsar 200 NS. The technologies implied and why most of the people here are recommending it. Also unaware of it being a complete new product. Anyways your money your choice. But if you are going to do extensive touring then only ZMR and Fazer are particular choices.

About the 200NS, am completely aware and closely watching it right from after the autoshow. But, ruled it out and have said it in a previous post, the reason too!

Fazer?? Heard it can't hold a steady speeds of over 110kmph and also as it is air cooled, can't do long non-stop rides!?? if am not wrong?

Thats true. Sry I forgot about your high speed touring requirement. Then ZMR is it. Go for it. Mods pls close this thread.

Don't mistake me, really!!

But why all of a sudden, asking to close this thread?
I have not got answers for my previous posts, and the discussion is STILL ON on getting my new bike! Some guys are replying, right?

Again, no offense, but,
its you who should be banned for using SMS language here!


So, mods, please, kindly, BAN THE ABOVE QUOTED USER!

That's really cool right??

I understood what kind of person you are . That was just a statement a funny one since the only proper touring bike in your budget is a ZMR. So no choice left. And what is the sms language I used can you pls reflect upon?

Your 'pls' and 'sry' ... and, you are repeatedly using it!

Sir everyone in xbhp uses that. I have observed quite a bit and then only am using them. That is acceptable not an sms language. Even in English dictionary they mention "pls" and "sry".

And apologies if you find that joke bad but get used to that in xbhp. And yes Mods don't close the thread when we ask for ( I've asked several times never happened).

But on a serious note, ZMR is the bike for you. The proper fairing will help you in touring. I didn't say R15 because that is quite forward biassed so it will hurt your back for long rides. Fazer won't do the speed you demand for. Nakeds are not that suitable for touring. CBR250 is a tourer but I guess that is not in your budget. So ZMR remains to be the best and only feasible option for your.

AFAIK ZMR was never oil cooled... It always has been air cooled.... I hope i am not wrong... Please correct me if i am...
PGM-fi and FI in case of ZMR are same as because of parting hero cant use the term pgm-fi as it is globally used by Honda and so just FI. Even then, the engine is same as the earlier PGM-FI engine and also the ecu hence no worries.
The bike can cruise at 120-125 all day long wiyhout worriers. Yes, you can easily feel vibrations at its top end speed of 130-132.
vibration noise depends on how you maintain your bike and how many falls you had. Remember that the fiber part is held by rubber bushes which do get loose over a period of time and vibrations creep in. However if you tighten them regularly then vibrations would be to minimal. Also note that any fall in which their is direct impact on fiber will leave fibrations as gap is created between fibre and the body...

I own ZMR , so answering your questions .

First:
My ZMR is 1 year & 2 month old . I think i got it after Hero & Honda parted away .
As i know their are 3 types of cooling
1) Air Cooling : Where Air cools the engine , this technology is mostly used in naked bike or semi fared bike as it is difficult in fully faired bike .
2) Oil Cooling : Where engine oil passes thro oil cooler / radiator on which fins , air helps to cool it .
3) Liquid Cooling : Coolent passes through engine surronding & cools it .
ZMR uses the second technology Oil Cooled , though on Hero Moto Corp web they now show it as Air Cooled , but nothing changed in bike maybe that patent is also registered with Honda & now they don't have right to use its name . Similar case with FI .

Second:
PGM-FI is Honda's registered thing & after parting Hero can't use that name so simply they change it to FI . Nothing is changed except name .
And new bikes comes with PGM-FI stickers & oil cooled stickers . Only the bike in Auto Expo has that sticker change .

Third:
About ZMR , as some people already told it is proven & capable of touring all long at 110+ . Engine is more smooth in new coming bikes as my friend got one before month . Power delivery is amazing . Its FI bike so throttle responce is amazing . There are no vibrations in my bike anywhere at any speed . Though last time due to bad fitting of fairing by mech at SVC some noise occure in fairing at speed of 30/40 kmph but they refitted fairing now no noise there .
Get a test ride to check ZMR your self .

Yes i won't be tired of explaining about ZMR or other bikes i own if anyone asks . But would like to do that mostly in Ownership Thread . As in what bike section mostly it turns in brand war .

Also look in ZMR ownership thread 2/3 pages back as similar discussion there & owner's helped to clear things for guys in confusion to buy ZMR .

@Thread Starter: Another bike you could try close to your budget is the new CBR150R. Makes almost the same power as the ZMR and almost as fuel efficient if not more. As per owners, it is more comfy than the R15 w.r.t. touring. Please do a TR and check it.

@Enthusiastic, If the guy is not interested in Pulsars, there is no use professing one to him.

Ya, i will answer ur queries.
1. ZMR was always oil cooled. Its the same now. With a fairing, u can't expect just air cooling to do the trick. Its still oil cooled.
(I bought a Hero Honda ZMR. Quality after HH became HMC is same.)

2. No, PGM FI = FI
HMC just renamed it to avoid lawsuit.

3. Engine is super smooth. Can keep 110+ all day.
Vibes crept in even at lower rpms after 5000 kms of riding. Got the fairing tightened and they were gone.
You'll get vibes around 115 kmph.
The bike flies till 110 after which it takes its own sweet time. I managed a max of 124 kmph.

I do wish it had more power in the upper range though.
And mind you, ZMA is the same. But ZMR looks better imo.

Happy hunting.

Being a ZMA owner for the past 8~9 Months, I can say that the ZMR is a worthy upgrade over the ZMA and the price is also justified(Mind it, Comparing the ZMA).

Reasons being that.
1. Its one helluva job to make the engine turn during a cold morning on a Carb bike. The ZMR on the other hand makes the task effortless.
2. Adrenalin junkies who like to rip the crap out of bikes, can find the ZMR more suitable cause the knock sensor richens the AFR when sudden WOT causes the AFR to become abit lean.
3. Now the best part. The FI is closed loop, meaning you can experiment with the intake, without the need to recalibrate the ECU.
4. Personally riding the ZMR gives you a feeling similar to that of riding a car. The luxury and mass appeal is just awesome.
5. Rear disc's, though I found no noticeable gains in braking performance, its still a + pointer for the bike.

Oil cooled is just a fancy/hybrid term, to put it in simple terms an oil radiator is maintained to help the engine oil maintain its viscosity, and hence a chance of it failing to perform effectively is present with the use of heavier grades. The bike is actually Air Cooled.

That's the fate of a badly tuned bike & doesn't necessarily have to be the same on all the carburetted bikes. My 2000 Rx & my Mech's 2000 Suzuki Fiero comes to life in just one kick no matter how cold the conditions are.

There are limitations to this also.

No words here...

What's the point when there is no noticeable gain observed by a ZMA owner ?

P.S. On a serious note, it's a great bike & a worthy upgrade