You of course have paid 1.6 Lakhs (or is it more than that??) for your bike.. therefore Rs. 15,000-20,000 is not that much in terms of percentage (9%-12%) over your bike. But on a 1 lakh bike, its around 20% (more than that for a sub 1 lakh bike).

Fi is almost like a must have for someone like you who is shelling out that kind of money.

That is why i used word soon .
And i think the topic is all about Help regarding buying new bike. Rounded off to KARIZMA ZMR. Is it worth? not FI .

Aaha!!! I'm not talking in those terms at all!!! All I'm trying to point out is Fi has some intangible benefits

I'm out of this Payeng!!! I don't think I'm putting my points across correctly

how much of the aam customer really understand about the various technologies that each bike manufactures flashes with each product... bajaj introduced slight modifications and new technology with every pulsar... check Hero Motocorp has different fuel injection technologies for Hunk and CBZ xtreme

Most of them dont think about them... but we arent talking about aam adami... and what he purchases....

we are talking whether FI really makes a difference or just not worth it....

I'll leave this question open for Payeng & Aargee to answer as my experience with Carbs are More than the FI's. On a personal note, i would say it makes a difference & would have loved more if only Yamaha had a FI'ed Rx.

Yes, it does make a difference.

To me it really does (and I am not even thinking/expecting magical fuel efficiency numbers because of it) and I am more than ready to pay Rs. 15,000 more for that tech on the exact same bike. I know that with "Fi" would give me hassle free start, ride at any altitude without the need to change the settings, no isses with air lock, vacuum inside tank.


But what about the one who has posted the question..??

In case he is on a tight budget, I would suggest him the Karizma -R (provided the full fairing is not absolutely a must have) and same enough for a good quality: Helmet + Gloves + Riding Pants + (probably even riding boots).

If he can afford the money, why not..!!

Has Aargee hijacked here too... Nevermind

Anyways talking about carbs and fi-
How many have you ridden more on carbs and Fi??? iam sure you all have..

Have you witnessed carb bikes straining on the acceleration after say a run of 100kms??? the idling also increases a bit if you stop in neutral at a point.

Such errors are not present in FI which i believe to be a plus point among others... This kind of lag is absent when using a FI bike i remember and it was just like new even after riding 175kms....
And this does deliver superb fuel economy because the flow is constant and not irregular like in carb which happens over x kms of running the bike at high speeds or even in mid range rpm. FI is very stable and calculated, does not work on spring which might experience fatigue.

@ SID remember the Nighoj ride, the bike creating top end issues. This is where FI and Carb comes into picture.

And i so agree with Dualdisc - wish that rocket had fi

It has all got to do with how good the bike/carb/Fi system has been tuned/calibrated.

The one on the Hyosung GT650R that I rode was a total mess.. a decent carb would have been infinitely better than that unsorted "Fi" on it.

I too certainly & more than agree on ^^^ I'm writing my experience here of having owned 2 Fi engines (Car & CBR) & 2 carb (Activa & Rx)...
- Rx is like childs play when it comes to mod; the moment I think, I can go ahead, change filter, change pilots, experiment; the only limit is $$$. OTOH, I can't do such perf mod for my CBR; its extremely expensive affair even to think of that

- Riding is breeze & certainly makes me lazy on CBR for simple reason that, I only need to bother if there's sufficient fuel in the tank; Rx on the other hand, I've to open & close the fuel cock. It might sound silly, but having pampered by CBR, I'm very slightly spoiled on this front

- Tuning sometimes is an headache because even dust accumulated on airfilter in Rx sometimes compels to clean the air filter. OTOH, CBR, I only need to look into it during regular service as Fi automatically adjusts the AFR proportionately

- Riding to places like Leh on CBR is only breeze as I don't have to bother anything on AFR as Fi takes care of it; Rx...needless to say

- Starting the engine is a little headache on Rx during Dec/Jan, but still, I can live with it; needless to say about CBR

- Looking at draw back, Fi needs to have 2-3 litres (on my CBR) always, while on Rx, I only have to go by reserve

- Somehow I tend to feel Fi's are more smoother than carb'd engines (tested once my Uncle's Carb'd Zen)

- On Rx, I need to clean up the fuel tank lid, say every 4-5K kms; on CBR, I haven't even thought about it so far

To summarize, Fi certainly puts me to lazy bum with the technology, but the day it fails me on road, leaves me stranded, next to God, only HMSI can save me With Rx...I'm my own king

Edit - That's a good point on Payeng with GT650R

That is dumbest statement I've ever heard!!! I've ridden over 740 Kms in 12 hours with about 1 hour of break over all in the trip & bike performed flawless. It all depends on who tunes, to what extent & how it is done.

That bike is a total mess in that series, thats how I would like to put it across.

Lets get back to the topic where we left-

@ Thread starter --

If you have the dope - Karizma ZMR
If you dont have the dope - Karizma R

Smothness I one point which i'll also agree.. the CBF Stunner has that characteristic vibration at around 60 kmph.. whereas the CBF Stunner PGM -Fi was smooth throughout its rev range.

With a "Fi", the manufacturer gets a chance to program the Air+Fuel mixture for each and every part of the rev range, under every possible condition.. and with a job well done, smoothness can be expected.


Absolutely.. +1

Couldn't agree anything more Aargee, you've Summarized it all. The highlighted part takes the cake.

Cool, yeah you have heard the dumbest of em all..Ride a Pulsar and then we will talk. About being dumb, iam no one to comment, and i wouldnt dirty my mouth either.

Aargee i repeat again. This time not in a PM but openly on the thread. Stop posting that you know it all. There are others too in the league, and if you think you are that good enough go somewhere else who will listen to your crap. This is the second time iam coming in front of such posts...And since its my problem with you, iam telling you instead of posting it on some other thread to stop crap posting.

Sorry for being OT or anything. and this apology is to mods and not you aargee if you are thinking that way.

And i have posted my 2 cents in previous posts, would not contribute anymore... Go shove your reply, (Aargee) i wont listen to it.

the point is that an enthusiast(say tourer specially) will get ready to pay an additional amount for FI but a company has to keep its door opens for everyone to sell their products so they have to give something to posers as well..that's why HH added other things on this bike as well..what's harm in it..its a company's call to sell their products to both type of customers..

Even a badly tuned Rx, Shine or RTR or any carb'd bike will strain for that matter

You already did , people who do the same mistake twice are termed...

ROTFL!!! Why, are you jealous or what??? I'm just sharing my experiences, can't really stop just because one person has a problem with it. Should I?