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    Well, before starting this thread I have gone through two good threads. Both the thread starters had requirements similar to mine. Both these threads experienced good discussions (almost argumentative at times) on various bikes. However, what i can take out of the two threads is that going for these two bikes would make me happy.

    1) Pulsar 200NS
    2) Karizma ZMR.

    Both these bikes are great (ZMR - Proven already, NS - Touted to be). provide good rider comfort,ride and handling, Fuel efficiency that is acceptable to me (40-45), Good Posture, will ride along effortlessly at 90-100 KMPH constantly for a considerable time and still have enough juice for an overtaking manoeuver, wont do that bad in traffic aswell. Spare availability should not be too much of an issue (compared to TVS and suzuki etc.). BUT AGAIN, I HAVENT TESTED EITHER OF THEM.

    NS over ZMR:
    1) Comes with all new tech (almost similar to KTM)
    2) Great handler/corner craving much better (as per the reviews).
    3) I will probably save about 13K
    4) Future maintenance is not a concern as Bajaj is growing stronger and stronger. However, HERO now stands alone. No palpable difference till next 3 years or so....but what after that (a small gamble with ZMR it seems)!!

    ZMR over NS
    1) Already proven machine. while, NS is yet to be road-tested (almost everything is assumed.)
    2) That complicated Engine head that NS has, three spark plugs, 4 valves, SOHC, cooling jacket..etc.etc (i may not be correct on the technologies involved), crux of the matter is that with so many parts involved there reliability can be a concern.
    3) comfortable pillion seat.

    I am not considering the other options that I can have e.g. ZMA, R15 or CBR150R and 250R, KTM DUKE for various reasons and my personal preferences.

    I also gave a thought to a used RE Electra (as i dont have the patience to wait 6-8 months for a new one). Personally, i dont think it is great and I do realise that i comes with its own issues which people learn to live with and happy at that. Major advantage here is the resale value. But, a used bike comes with its own set of worries, so RE Electra is not a strong contender to be in the above list.

    About me: Height - 5'10; Weight - 85.
    Travel to office which is currently about 10Kms away from my home.
    Would love to go on weekend drives once i get my bike.
    I do sit infront of a PC for my job...so a bike with good posture is important.

    Please help me decide.

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    Bike Query Approved

    NS it is unless you are full fairing guy. If you can then wait for the full test ride review of NS in xBhp.
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    • #3
      Well you got the answers already from MG....
      The advantage of zmr is only full fairing and fi...
      In all other facts ns wins...
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      • #4
        P200NS is not on the road yet. It would be wise to discuss about it against other bikes only once its on the road. If you compare things on paper, then the P200NS just outshines the ZMR.

        Chandrajit, please wait for the P200NS to come on to the road; you can make a good choice then.
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        • #5
          Just wait till the Pulsar 200NS hits the roads.

          But going from the reviews (including xBhp's first impression) it seems the Pulsar 200NS is an awesome machine.



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          • #6
            NS would be a natural choice, although I would rather wait, as first batch has a tendency of having problems. But...waiting isn't an option for you...it seems.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kaynmantis View Post
              NS would be a natural choice, although I would rather wait, as first batch has a tendency of having problems. But...waiting isn't an option for you...it seems.
              I have nothing against waiting......its just that i've been going crazy following the updates regarding the Pulsar NS......and my expectations were a bit let down when no news about the launch of NS came out at the end of April (NS was expected to be launced by the end of April)...
              Strictly saying, I serioulsy cant wait for 6-8 months time. However, if the waiting time is shorter, I might actually consider waiting

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Chandrajit View Post
                I have nothing against waiting......its just that i've been going crazy following the updates regarding the Pulsar NS......and my expectations were a bit let down when no news about the launch of NS came out at the end of April (NS was expected to be launced by the end of April)...
                Strictly saying, I serioulsy cant wait for 6-8 months time. However, if the waiting time is shorter, I might actually consider waiting
                Perfectly understand your reason. Waiting for 6-7 months is just too long enough. Yes, if the waiting period is shorter (I sincerely hope that Bajaj launches in May) then 200NS is THE bike to own.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kaynmantis View Post
                  NS would be a natural choice, although I would rather wait, as first batch has a tendency of having problems. But...waiting isn't an option for you...it seems.
                  But to wait for how long is a good question. I understand that there might be not more than a month's waiting if the launch is the only considered. However, if I wait to find what sort of issues come up with the first batch then I guess the waiting period will be longer...SO .....how long do u guys think should i wait

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Chandrajit View Post
                    But to wait for how long is a good question. I understand that there might be not more than a month's waiting if the launch is the only considered. However, if I wait to find what sort of issues come up with the first batch then I guess the waiting period will be longer...SO .....how long do u guys think should i wait

                    Initial issues on new products are not uncommon. Even international biggies like BMW very recently has had issues with its S1000RR (among many other such examples).

                    Closer to home, Honda CBR250R initial batches had quality related issues, Yamaha R15 /FZ when launched had issues with alloy wheels which used to crack under impact. Even the intitial R15's used to catch fire due to the "desi" practice of keeping a cloth (for dusting) in spaces in the full fairing (which was made inaccessible is a later redesign). The initial batches of the Suzuki GS150R has had issues with rusting.. etc.

                    It could have been easier for Bajaj to launch the bike in a hurry and make correction later. But it seems they want the product to be trouble free from day one.. that's why they has been extensively testing the P200NS and making small improvements.

                    Read this: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS readies for production| Zigwheels.com and this Bajaj Pulsar 200NS ready for launch now | BikeIndia.in




                    Last edited by payeng; 05-07-2012, 03:28 PM.

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                    • #11
                      on paper P200NS is an awesome machine but let it come to road first & check its real world performance(though i suppose it'll be nice & will leave an impact)..

                      otherwise as you said you already have a proven horse as an option..ZMR

                      give your first preference to P200NS..
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by payeng View Post
                        ......
                        It could have been easier for Bajaj to launch the bike in a hurry and make correction later. But it seems they want the product to be trouble free from day one.. that's why they has been extensively testing the P200NS and making small improvements.
                        Agree with the rest. However a "trouble free from day one" sounds more bravado for public consumption than a reflection of reality. Probably, some design flaw has come to light that merits delaying launch. Niggles and issues is likely to crop up even after their "trouble free from day one" launch. Weeding out all issues is not a practical options for any manufacturers.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kaynmantis View Post
                          Agree with the rest. However a "trouble free from day one" sounds more bravado for public consumption than a reflection of reality. Probably, some design flaw has come to light that merits delaying launch. Niggles and issues is likely to crop up even after their "trouble free from day one" launch. Weeding out all issues is not a practical options for any manufacturers.
                          Design flaws that can't be spotted in umpteen test rides/road tests must be very minor and if Bajaj is taking efforts to correct them, that's a good news for prospective buyers. Any brand new product will have niggles unless critical components on the machine were already in use somewhere else! just like the case with Hero bikes, all of them must have spent their life as Honda products somewhere else in the world, hence no issues from day 1.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by payeng View Post
                            But it seems they want the product to be trouble free from day one.. that's why they has been extensively testing the P200NS and making small improvements
                            Good to hear, but, why wasn't that done on Duke 200? Any ideas?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by payeng View Post
                              Initial issues on new products are not uncommon. Even international biggies like BMW very recently has had issues with its S1000RR (among many other such examples).

                              Closer to home, Honda CBR250R initial batches had quality related issues, Yamaha R15 /FZ when launched had issues with alloy wheels which used to crack under impact. Even the intitial R15's used to catch fire due to the "desi" practice of keeping a cloth (for dusting) in spaces in the full fairing (which was made inaccessible is a later redesign). The initial batches of the Suzuki GS150R has had issues with rusting.. etc.

                              It could have been easier for Bajaj to launch the bike in a hurry and make correction later. But it seems they want the product to be trouble free from day one.. that's why they has been extensively testing the P200NS and making small improvements.

                              Read this: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS readies for production| Zigwheels.com and this Bajaj Pulsar 200NS ready for launch now | BikeIndia.in



                              Yes sir, i have been following the daily news and updates about P200 NS (as i said, the wait has driven me almost crazy)...here is a good improvement
                              Dealer Training For Pulsar 200 NS Commences | MotorBeam - Indian Car Bike News & Reviews.

                              & i agree with every point u make about the bikes launched afresh.......I just hope that it isn't that bad and even if it may be, the company should be generous to replace it (but that is just a hope)..
                              Regarding waiting for the revamped version of P200NS to be launced, I personally feel that will take another 4 months or so. Even when i think over it myself, i think it does make sense to wait and see how the machine pans out......lets see if i have patience for that...
                              Last edited by Chandrajit; 05-07-2012, 10:20 PM.

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