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This is the exactly the thing i don't want to do, if you modify anything and warranty gone.Originally posted by pavan_cin View Post
be it kill switch or convert it to Full DC.
That was just example. what i really mean to say is I do have time for taking care of my bike but not for experiment with it.Originally posted by pavan_cin View PostLast edited by amit_bhb; 08-09-2012, 02:05 PM.
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As Per your Requirement i suggest to to also check Bajaj Pulsar 180...That fits in your Requirements...
Engine
Type
4-stroke, DTS-i, air cooled, single cylinder
Displacement
178.6 cc
Max. Power
17.02 @ 8500 (Ps @ RPM)
Max. Torque
14.22 @ 6500 (Nm @ RPM)
Suspension
Front
Telescopic, with anti-friction bush
Rear
5 way adjustable, Nitrox shock absorber
Brakes
Front
260 mm Disc
Rear
130 mm Drum
Tyre
Front
90/90 x 17 - Tubeless
Rear
120/80 x 17 - Tubeless
Fuel Tank
Total litres (reserve, usable)
15 litres (3.2 litres reserve, 2 litres usable)
Electricals
System
12 V Full DC
Headlamp (Low/High Beam- Watts)
35/35 W with 2 pilot lamps
Dimensions
Length (mm)
2035
Width (mm)
765
Height (mm)
1165
Ground clearance (mm)
150
Wheelbase (mm)
1350
Kerb Weight (kg)
147
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Even i suggest you the Pulsar 180, It has all the features you are looking for and with Bajaj ironing out all the minor niggles all these years, this bike has become as good as its honda counterparts in terms of smoothness. The 180 now comes with bigger tyres (Same as 220) and shares the chassis with 220 (in terms of wheelbase) so the stability is top notch but there is slight compromise on flickability. The ride is very mature and even efficiency is great, i constantly used to get around 45 inside city and 48+ on the highways. Have tried to explain below some of your points
1. on road stability - With its long wheelbase, it has great stability.
2. break (wet/dry) - The rear brake is not so good but the front disc has very good bite which should be more than sufficient.
3. stock light quality (night visibility) - This comes with Full DC electricals which is a big plus plus so the light wont flicker with the RPM and you have great visibility. Even more, if you are not satisfied with stock lighting, you can directly plug in HID as its a DC ready.
4. Suspension,clutch, ride comfort for long tour. The setback footpegs and long wheelbase are what makes this a good tourer, the ride quality is plush too. Do take a test ride.
5. city riding. I'm 5.6" and i had no issues with city riding. The ride quality is great
Mileage hovers around 45 inside city, but if you have a light wrist then you can surely extract 45+ even inside the city.
4. Total cost of ownership (low/med/high) It all depends on how you maintain, The parts are very cheap compared to competition (The regular parts such as front disc pad cost only 140 rupees). I recently sold my 180 with 51k on its odo and still it was running great (It had stock bore) and in its 50k+ lifetime with me i had to spend only for disc pad and brake shoe replacements with regular oil changes. I replaced the chain sproket kit and front cone set once and thats about it. It had worked out very cheap and a very very VFM product absolutely.
Fun Starts at Redline!!!
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Since you are doing long tours and daily commute is 20 km. I would suggest a karizma r. Yes it is outdated and doesnt have engine kill switch
. Economy is a bit lower than your requirement.
But on the brighter side offers smooth and relaxed ride. Simple electrical system. And a time proven reliable bike and proven in long distance tours. Good torque and offers comfortable and stress free ride in city as well as highway.Cheetahs are faster but the lion is still the KING
Being In Love with a Girl is like being a superbike fitted with SPEED LIMITER
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As per me more and more features are any time good!! But Just for Kill Switch knocking off Dazzler is not a wise decision, after all it has a unicorn engine with Honda Badge and most important, dual disc and not so common image!Originally posted by amit_bhb View PostHey anyone can explain
how much importance does engine kill switch have it day to day city commuting and also in long tour? why all unicorn sibling does not have engine kill switch? anyway the place is empty they could have easily accommodate a kill switch
When comfort with fun is a question then don't know i like FZ or Frazer only!! apart from dual disc competitors!!
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No yaar Dazzler is no doubt a good bike. but for me bike fairing should be planted. i really disappointed by dazzler's look. i am better with Unicorn (OLD) with digital console rather than opting for Dazzler.Originally posted by somen1984 View PostBut Just for Kill Switch knocking off Dazzler is not a wise decision
I have few more Questions :
- How is night visibility (Stock Setup) of GS150R/HUNK/Unicorn(old) (Specially when you riding on Highway)
- How's new Apache, is it good for tour (>400 KM), did TVS rectified vibration/ rattling sound issue? i heard they have increased size of tire. any improvement due to increased size of tire?
- Which is better P150 or P180 in terms of engine refinement, gear and clutch operation, stopping power.
Regards,
Amit Ghosh
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Don't know why people want digital console and stuff?Originally posted by amit_bhb View PostNo yaar Dazzler is no doubt a good bike. but for me bike fairing should be planted. i really disappointed by dazzler's look. i am better with Unicorn (OLD) with digital console rather than opting for Dazzler.
What difference does that makes majorly??
But Dual Disk does makes a difference, average does makes a difference and so the brand name too.
I see you have already done your home, so come on spill the beans, which bike you have narrowed too?? And put the polls for that only. Because your mind is already setup!
For these go through ownership thread and clear your doubt with the mighty owners! And light can be increased with various options available out.Originally posted by amit_bhb View PostI have few more Questions :- How is night visibility (Stock Setup) of GS150R/HUNK/Unicorn(old) (Specially when you riding on Highway)
- How's new Apache, is it good for tour (>400 KM), did TVS rectified vibration/ rattling sound issue? i heard they have increased size of tire. any improvement due to increased size of tire?
- Which is better P150 or P180 in terms of engine refinement, gear and clutch operation, stopping power.
Regards,
Amit Ghosh
I don't think that RTR has any bad vibration uptill 100kmph. And riding for tours is personal choice i do tours of 500kms one side on my R15, and few did ladakh on it, same is with RTR too. If you are thinking on RTR then go with ABS 180 model.
in P150 n P180, if mileage is not a Q then P180 anytime.
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Nothing it's trendy. that's all.Originally posted by somen1984 View PostDon't know why people want digital console and stuff?
What difference does that makes majorly??
No Man. i don't know how did you get such impression. if i don't like Dazzler's look it's all about personal choice.Originally posted by somen1984 View PostI see you have already done your home, so come on spill the beans, which bike you have narrowed too?? And put the polls for that only. Because your mind is already setup!
There is no first impression thread for new Apache RTR series. may i expect this in near future.Originally posted by somen1984 View PostI don't think that RTR has any bad vibration uptill 100kmph. And riding for tours is personal choice i do tours of 500kms one side on my R15, and few did ladakh on it, same is with RTR too. If you are thinking on RTR then go with ABS 180 model.
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for most 2 wheelers available night visibility on highway is a problem,you have to cope with that problem by taking different measures.Originally posted by amit_bhb View PostNo yaar Dazzler is no doubt a good bike. but for me bike fairing should be planted. i really disappointed by dazzler's look. i am better with Unicorn (OLD) with digital console rather than opting for Dazzler.
I have few more Questions :
- How is night visibility (Stock Setup) of GS150R/HUNK/Unicorn(old) (Specially when you riding on Highway)
- How's new Apache, is it good for tour (>400 KM), did TVS rectified vibration/ rattling sound issue? i heard they have increased size of tire. any improvement due to increased size of tire?
- Which is better P150 or P180 in terms of engine refinement, gear and clutch operation, stopping power.
Regards,
Amit Ghosh
in new models of apache vibrations are noticably less.
between p150 and 180 ,180 is anyday better.and the question remains why do i race?
every finishing line is the begining of a new race.
#i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
#overkill is underrated.
#how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
#i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road
(:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.
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Answers to your questionsOriginally posted by amit_bhb View PostNo yaar Dazzler is no doubt a good bike. but for me bike fairing should be planted. i really disappointed by dazzler's look. i am better with Unicorn (OLD) with digital console rather than opting for Dazzler.
I have few more Questions :
- How is night visibility (Stock Setup) of GS150R/HUNK/Unicorn(old) (Specially when you riding on Highway)
- How's new Apache, is it good for tour (>400 KM), did TVS rectified vibration/ rattling sound issue? i heard they have increased size of tire. any improvement due to increased size of tire?
- Which is better P150 or P180 in terms of engine refinement, gear and clutch operation, stopping power.
Regards,
Amit Ghosh
1. Gs 150r i found better than hunk and unicorn for night visibility, with hunk being worst
2. No idea about the new apache but the previous ones were bit harsh but who cares when one gets a very revv happy engine, to get minimum vibrations just stay above 6k rpm
3. P180 does everything better than the p150 except for the efficiency part, Now even the p150 comes with DC lighting and both are good with night visibility part. But my pick would be P180 for the better tyres and better chassis and of course a much better engine.Fun Starts at Redline!!!
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Originally posted by amit_bhb View PostPropose:
1. Daily commute between office and home (20 km average/day).
2. weekly/biweekly hit the highway for tour nearby Bangalore (> 400KM round trip mostly night).
Requirements are as follows:
1. Bike should have good performance (Should not be sluggish).
2. refined engine (no/less vibes, no/less overheating and stress-free engine)
3. Mileage: should not be less than 45km/L
4. Bike should be really comfortable to ride (clutch, suspension).
5. Braking and tyres grip should be good enough.
6. Overall quality should be good (paint, fairing quality).
7. Bike should have less cost of ownership for at least 5 year period.
8. Initial Budget 75K-80K (if bike is really fits on all my requirement then can stretch a bit)Nothing like that mate, i see you know most of things in the range you are looking for!Originally posted by amit_bhb View PostNothing it's trendy. that's all.
There is no first impression thread for new Apache RTR series. may i expect this in near future.
As your budget is 80k you have options of 150 or 180 only that too few,
I guess GS150R, Hunk/CBZ P150, Yamaha SZr and P180 are the only options you have.
FZ, Dazzler are over 80k OTR.
So you have to choose from the above only
not thinking of any more options with in 80k.
There will be some or the other niggles in every bike you won't get all your fantasy in one bike.
So, Prioritization is must here. Think which all options/features are must for you then select a bike.
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yes budy. i am clear what exactly i want and i also have allotted sufficient fund for that, isn't it goodOriginally posted by somen1984 View PostNothing like that mate, i see you know most of things in the range you are looking for!
. i believe it ll help me to choose it wisely rather than running here and there.
i also told i can stretch a bit, if bike is really fits on all my requirementOriginally posted by somen1984 View PostAs your budget is 80k you have options of 150 or 180 only that too few,
I guess GS150R, Hunk/CBZ P150, Yamaha SZr and P180 are the only options you have.
FZ, Dazzler are over 80k OTR.
So you have to choose from the above only
not thinking of any more options with in 80k.
Spot On my Friend.Originally posted by somen1984 View PostThere will be some or the other niggles in every bike you won't get all your fantasy in one bike.
So, Prioritization is must here. Think which all options/features are must for you then select a bike.
This is the reason i listed down my purpose and requirements so we can discuss, prioritize and choose a bike.
Last edited by amit_bhb; 08-10-2012, 05:18 PM.
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Below are as per my current priority.
- Bike should be really comfortable to ride (Rider & pillion)
- Bike should have good performance (i am not a drag racer but it should not be sluggish).
- refined engine (no/less vibes, no/less overheating and stress-free engine)
- Braking and tyres grip should be good enough.
- Night visibility should be good (Stock/very little modification)(paint, fairing quality).
- Bike should have less cost of ownership for at least 5 year period
As beauty depends on person, I didn't list it here
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