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**antz.bin** · 09-30-2012, 12:47 AM

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20km is a lot of km to do daily. I would try and finish them off as fast as possible. For a 1 lac budget, nothing beats the 200NS. Power my lie beyond 5k, but when it gets to its peak, its 30% more than the RTR180 offers you.

Finally, if you need convincing, I don't think you should get one. Especially if test riding all the shortlisted bikes hasn't had you convinced yet.

**abhi7013** · 09-30-2012, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by rattlehead View Post

city riding
will use for 4 years EXACT, will go abroad and bike will be sold as no one in the household will use it

good resale value
20 kms a weekday
sporty looks
'more than average' build 5"10' and 85kgs
budget max 1 lakh, wouldnt want to use all of it unless VFM
100% city commute weekends on highways for cruising and feeling the power

need adequate low end torque, atleast 6-7 kms in bumper to bumper traffic
very happy with ~40kmpl with sane riding

Bikes thought of
1.FZ-S- priority because it just fits, don't know about the details, 150cc is enough I hope
2.FAzer- didnt feel the need of fairing for less touring, still consider, thinking about fzs vs fazer
3.RTR 180-considered, what is the difference in perfomance? instead I would go for 200ns itself if i wanted the power
4.P200NS-will I use 200cc? Can anyone convince me the need of this
also after reading the ownership thread, found that real power lies after 6k rpm, its a good catch but idk if worthy

woulddn't want to go for gs150r,unicorn,dazzler,cbz,hunk or karizma r

please don't judge acording to the bikes listed as the reasons might not hold true due to my limited knowledge

need help

City? 4 years? then your first choice.. FZ.. But looking at your budget and the shortlisted bikes, then its NS or p-220

**rattlehead** · 09-30-2012, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by antz.bin View Post

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20km is a lot of km to do daily. I would try and finish them off as fast as possible. For a 1 lac budget, nothing beats the 200NS. Power my lie beyond 5k, but when it gets to its peak, its 30% more than the RTR180 offers you.

Finally, if you need convincing, I don't think you should get one. Especially if test riding all the shortlisted bikes hasn't had you convinced yet.

Finally narrowed down to RTR180 with ABS and P200NS,

now i'm very very confused

my dad is very serious about the 'ABS' part, he doesn't want me to take ABS off my list as every parents concern for safety and also that its the only cheaper bike having it, apart from CBR250R which is over limits
and also the 20cc less part too
joking

**somen1984** · 10-01-2012, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by rattlehead View Post

Finally narrowed down to RTR180 with ABS and P200NS,
now i'm very very confused

my dad is very serious about the 'ABS' part, he doesn't want me to take ABS off my list as every parents concern for safety and also that its the only cheaper bike having it, apart from CBR250R which is over limits
and also the 20cc less part too
joking

First and foremost RTR180 ABS is better than NS200, why ? Becuase it has an ABS in <1L

ABS is a feature which can't be beaten by any super duper rider skills too!!

RTR has more than what is required in city and good in highway too.

Re-sale would be a problem for RTR and Bajaj pulsar also, because TVS is still not market friendly yet and Bajaj engines issues which were there previously may break the price!! If you buy NS or RTRABS, buy it with expecting that you will enjoy every bit of it in 4 yrs and re-sale would be not considered!!

Average wise both stands close to it. MAy NS200 has good power and LI engine but it don't have anABS which is boon anytime!!

GO with RTR you won't regret!! If you had touring alot then there was a chance of regreting the power which NS200 would have given you, but in your case it's city and some time highway in that terms RTR180ABS is perfect!!!

**Satyamzma** · 10-01-2012, 12:45 PM

Close your eyes & go for P200NS...its best performing bike under 1L ...Apache 180 offers ABS but looks Bakwaas..

**saipranav** · 10-01-2012, 08:09 PM

I do agree P200NS is much ahead to RTR180 in terms of power... but i'm really wondering how much of that power you get to use in the city everyday?
Since you are inclined to go with the ABS, go for the RTR180... keep the revs high!

**IronHide Shetty** · 10-01-2012, 08:47 PM

Am not sure if i am right. But do we really need ABS in city. I mean in city we will hardly go beyond 100 kmph. And i think proper braking techniques will be enough in city. Well, one more thing "rattlehead" try 'Touring' its god like, bro

**jsg** · 10-01-2012, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by antz.bin View Post

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20km is a lot of km to do daily. I would try and finish them off as fast as possible. For a 1 lac budget, nothing beats the 200NS. Power my lie beyond 5k, but when it gets to its peak, its 30% more than the RTR180 offers you.

Finally, if you need convincing, I don't think you should get one. Especially if test riding all the shortlisted bikes hasn't had you convinced yet.

And how much of that is usable in a city? The P200NS is a linearly accelerating machine and you can see its true power after 6k RPM. True. But it can't match the pick up and rev-friendly nature of the RTR. I feel the latter is better for city rides. But as antiz has mentioned, go with the one that you loved while doing the TEST DRIVE

PS: I travel 25km daily on my RTR.

**Shadowknight** · 10-01-2012, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post

Close your eyes & go for P200NS...its best performing bike under 1L ...Apache 180 offers ABS but looks Bakwaas..

i personally feel that 200ns looks much like the pulsar 135 and thats the only reason i didn't consider it
anyways coming to the point get ABS over others

**madhav766** · 10-02-2012, 06:49 AM

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RTR eyes closed. Why? ABS. I think many interpret the use of ABS to be over 100kph. Not true. The ABS works at speeds starting from 10kph. Makers of ABS are not fools to keep the level that low. If ABS was for use over 100kph why keep the self check at 10kph? The ABS will be in use at all times you drive. Over a pothole, over a sudden patch of sand, over a sudden wet surface, in front of a fool crossing the road with ear phones plugged in and so on. All these situations call for ABS. The feature will keep you safe as long as your reflexes are good and you have presence of mind.
Also, the RTR might not have the monster power of the NS, but it is formidable and most importantly fun to ride. With that amazing low end, is just so responsive! The NS' true home is the highway. The RTR can be used both on the streets and the highway. Not saying NS can't be, but it would be an insult to its amazing power to keep it on tame streets.

Go for the RTR. I was in the same place you were. I choose the RTR over the NS and p220. Loving every moment of it!

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**vrugonnab** · 10-02-2012, 08:02 PM

Never felt the need for ABS in city, i'm not against it, but it's just something good to have, not must. I guess resale value of Pulsar is far far better than an Apache, remember market gives better value to a popular model i.e. a good selling one, going by sales numbers 200NS is going to be a very popular model. On the other hand RTR 180 ABS is not that popular, it will certainly take a hit on resale. Apart from that aspect, both bikes satisfy your criteria. Take a test ride and go for the one you like. I don't think you need to give lot of importance to ABS in a manner that alone changes your buying decision. As far as i'm concerned, for in-city riding ABS is good to have, not a must have. Besides, 200NS got excellent brakes, so need not worry much about ABS. Oh, I almost forgot, after reading your requirements, I thought FZ is good enough for all that is on your list, but you chose to make use of full budget!

**abhi7013** · 10-02-2012, 08:18 PM

If ABS is absolutely necessary then go for the apache.. In city ABS is really helpfull. nothing like only at higher speeds.. If you are interested in better looks, performance and pull, the the 200NS.. I feel you must go for an apache not only for ABS but also the mileage criteria.. Else anytime the NS

**MHG** · 10-03-2012, 12:30 AM

Few thoughts: if you're selling after 4 years for sure, beware of resale value. Will be higher with unique and/or new bikes like Apache RTR180 ABS or Pulsar 200NS and lower on older bikes like Fazer that already sells in used market at ~45k range from what I've seen in classifieds.

And even if that is not a concern, your own comfort certainly is, so do test-ride all of them. RTR 180 ABS looks nice on paper, but not everyone (particularly the larger guys) find it comfortable, so verify it because its different for each person. You said you found the FZ very comfortable. That itself is a good enough reason to buy a bike if you're not worried about total ownership cost (purchase price + fuel bills + repair/service bills - selling price). You should be comfortable with it so that you don't develop health issues (back, wrist or leg pain).

So yeah best solution right now would be to actually test ride those bikes you shortlisted and verify that you can live with them. Then proceed to selecting one.

**kidpikoon** · 10-03-2012, 03:01 AM

I use a CBR250R ABS , and ABS has really saved mine (And other people/animals crossing the highways) lifes...
Its very very helpful and ur bike wont skid in most of the circumstances...
I want to shift to a 600cc but just cant risk a Non-ABS now, since m so used to ABS

So its ur call,
Power = 200NS
Safety= RTR ABS

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