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I guess initially you had mentioned 1998 UCE model (I guess later you edited) that is why I asked if that was AVL engine as in the year 1998 UCE engine was not launched. Well leave that.
Now most of the things you have mentioned here is true but not exactly true in context of the present UCE engines.
In the AVL and CI engines the gear box, engine and the clutch used to be three separate assembly unlike the UCE engines which has all three in the same assembly hence the power loss was more in the CI and AVL engines and also the oil had to be changed at three places unlike UCE bullets which has a far better oil circulation and almost zero leakage and as we all know oil is the blood of the engine and a better oil circulation only ensures along life of the engine and a better performance.
The valve train is consistent and better, the mileage is better, the power at the rear wheel is better (unlike CI and AVL engines where only 67-68 % of power used to get delivered at the rear wheels) and then there myriad of comparisons but we are not here to compare CI, AVL and UCE. My point is with the UCE engine majority of the issue has been taken care hence the bike demands far-less maintenance. Off-course the thump any-day is better in CI engine.
Also you mentioned "The actual strength of the bullet is it's good high end torque". Actually it is opposite, though Bullets produce more torque than NS and CBR and Karizma any given day but the beauty lies in the low end torque. Bullets are low-reviving engine, you don't need to rev much to produce the torque, look at the figures for 350 cc Bullets 28Nm@4000 RPM unlike NS which produces 18.3NM of torque and it has to rev to 8000 RMP to produce that (NS just for comparison, pick any other bike like Karzima or CBR and they all would be producing the max torque at somewhere between 7000-8000 RPM). So at half the RPM Bullet produces 50% more torque than other bikes. But yes it is not quick on acceleration (long stroke engine, heavier fly-wheel and few other reasons) true but no way that means they are slow.
Coming to the point engine oil change after 3.5-4k again CI and AVL looses here, in UCE Bullets you can easily wait for 5000-5500 kms and even a little more. Bottom line is with UCE engine majority of the issues has been taken care and the bike is by all practical purposes maintenance free.
Note: We can have long discussion on that but that would be OT. We are here to help Shaswat and with UCE engine he is definitely not buying an unreliable and lot of maintenance demanding bike and also the cost of Classic350 on road is not 1.5Lakhs it is around 1.35 lakhs.
PS: Again I would say nothing was written in the context of which is better, CI, AVL or UCE or other bikes. I just wanted to present the correct picture of Bullets of 2013
Cheers.
Originally posted by rohithraghav
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@Shaswat I owned a Thunderbird for 2.5 yrs and currently owns 200NS.
so I bought a 2nd hand TB from a friend's friend. Well maintained bike 20K kms done 2006 model, AVL engine. It sounded much better than the current UCE twin spark engines. 18bhp and 21NM torque is what made me buy this bike.
The feeling of riding an RE, like many mentioned here, is very different. The thump of the engine and the attention you get makes you feel even better
There is no doubt about comfort. Just hop on the TB and ride till the roads end or the tank dry up
Now the issues (applies to all models), which comes as a part of a heavy bike like Bullet: Changing cables, bulbs, chain sprockets, tyre etc more frequently than any other bike available in market. Changing drum brakes is much more frequent, I still can't understand why such a big bike comes with a drum @ the rear
Engine oil changed every 3.5 to 4K kms and needs double the quantity.
Zig-zagging in traffic is possible, but not like you do with the other 150-200 ccs. The actual strength of the bullet is it's good high end torque.
So buy a bullet if you don't mind the lack in instant power, and doesn't want to cruise above 120kmph. Bike starts vibrating after 100kmph itself. Older versions like the one I had used to vibrate after 80 itself.
But I still turn my head when I hear the thump and let him pass me I still miss that feeling of being a king on the road!
as 1.5L is not a small amount
If you want a relaxed ride, not worried about the top speed and acceleration and ready to dedicate time for the maintenance, then the BULL is for you.
Else if you are the type who wants that adrenaline rush, drool on Rossi's cornering and don't want to worry about taking the bike to a service center frequently....go for CBR250. Very comfortable and well refined.
Cheers
so I bought a 2nd hand TB from a friend's friend. Well maintained bike 20K kms done 2006 model, AVL engine. It sounded much better than the current UCE twin spark engines. 18bhp and 21NM torque is what made me buy this bike.
The feeling of riding an RE, like many mentioned here, is very different. The thump of the engine and the attention you get makes you feel even better
There is no doubt about comfort. Just hop on the TB and ride till the roads end or the tank dry up Now the issues (applies to all models), which comes as a part of a heavy bike like Bullet: Changing cables, bulbs, chain sprockets, tyre etc more frequently than any other bike available in market. Changing drum brakes is much more frequent, I still can't understand why such a big bike comes with a drum @ the rear
Engine oil changed every 3.5 to 4K kms and needs double the quantity. Zig-zagging in traffic is possible, but not like you do with the other 150-200 ccs. The actual strength of the bullet is it's good high end torque.
So buy a bullet if you don't mind the lack in instant power, and doesn't want to cruise above 120kmph. Bike starts vibrating after 100kmph itself. Older versions like the one I had used to vibrate after 80 itself.
But I still turn my head when I hear the thump and let him pass me
I still miss that feeling of being a king on the road! as 1.5L is not a small amount
If you want a relaxed ride, not worried about the top speed and acceleration and ready to dedicate time for the maintenance, then the BULL is for you.
Else if you are the type who wants that adrenaline rush, drool on Rossi's cornering and don't want to worry about taking the bike to a service center frequently....go for CBR250. Very comfortable and well refined.
Cheers
Now most of the things you have mentioned here is true but not exactly true in context of the present UCE engines.
In the AVL and CI engines the gear box, engine and the clutch used to be three separate assembly unlike the UCE engines which has all three in the same assembly hence the power loss was more in the CI and AVL engines and also the oil had to be changed at three places unlike UCE bullets which has a far better oil circulation and almost zero leakage and as we all know oil is the blood of the engine and a better oil circulation only ensures along life of the engine and a better performance.
The valve train is consistent and better, the mileage is better, the power at the rear wheel is better (unlike CI and AVL engines where only 67-68 % of power used to get delivered at the rear wheels) and then there myriad of comparisons but we are not here to compare CI, AVL and UCE. My point is with the UCE engine majority of the issue has been taken care hence the bike demands far-less maintenance. Off-course the thump any-day is better in CI engine.
Also you mentioned "The actual strength of the bullet is it's good high end torque". Actually it is opposite, though Bullets produce more torque than NS and CBR and Karizma any given day but the beauty lies in the low end torque. Bullets are low-reviving engine, you don't need to rev much to produce the torque, look at the figures for 350 cc Bullets 28Nm@4000 RPM unlike NS which produces 18.3NM of torque and it has to rev to 8000 RMP to produce that (NS just for comparison, pick any other bike like Karzima or CBR and they all would be producing the max torque at somewhere between 7000-8000 RPM). So at half the RPM Bullet produces 50% more torque than other bikes. But yes it is not quick on acceleration (long stroke engine, heavier fly-wheel and few other reasons) true but no way that means they are slow.
Coming to the point engine oil change after 3.5-4k again CI and AVL looses here, in UCE Bullets you can easily wait for 5000-5500 kms and even a little more. Bottom line is with UCE engine majority of the issues has been taken care and the bike is by all practical purposes maintenance free.
Note: We can have long discussion on that but that would be OT. We are here to help Shaswat and with UCE engine he is definitely not buying an unreliable and lot of maintenance demanding bike and also the cost of Classic350 on road is not 1.5Lakhs it is around 1.35 lakhs.
PS: Again I would say nothing was written in the context of which is better, CI, AVL or UCE or other bikes. I just wanted to present the correct picture of Bullets of 2013
Cheers.
). Black is good but quite common and personally some how I feel the road presence is not felt much, I mean the Bullet looks to be lost in the chaos of the traffic.
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But for silver its only 4..!!
Are we all RE lovers nerd? NO. We LOVE it. We LOVE it for what it is as a whole. Leave it for what it is and better improve the things in that domain.
, good choice bro BTW, . . Just keep the maintenance proper and the bike is a wonderful bike, err Bull 
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