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    Icon3 Need bike with 70+kmpl; Reliable; Decent looks; easy/low maintenance; 100+cc is great

    Back here to check on a decent bike for city use (in Bangalore) with the below parameters, in this order
    1. 70+ km per ltr of petrol
    2. Reliable with easy/low maintenance
    3. Relatively good looks - newer shaped bikes (rule out dawn, splendor or crux)
    4. City use - daily of 40-50kms; monthly of ~750-1000 kms
    5. Comfortable to ride(decent shocks), Need not be a speed gun, but with a decent torque (to move quickly from halt position) & capable of 50-70km cruising levels.
    6. Budget: not a concern. But generally, most bikes of this category is around the 60K range (+/- 10%) for on-road price.

    Have been away from bikes for last few years because of my scooter & car usage. Now want to get a bike which gives good milage. I am not a college student, so the likes of Yamaha R15 or FZ etc are not my liking. Anyways, those kind of bikes dont suit my above criteria. Max acceptable styling is the Pulsar 135LT.

    My maintenance expectation: No regular servicing every month or two & spending money every week for this or that on the vehicle. Would prefer a fill-it, ride-it bike. I don't mind getting oil changed & brakes maintained every 3-4 months at a local garage with my preferred oil. May be a wash/lube (or a full service) every 6-8 months depending on my spare time.

    Bikes coming into my mind (no particular order) -
    1. Honda Dream Yuga: Just seen them on the road - Hear it gives 70-75kmpl. Seems like a good choice at Rs. 55k. What about maintenance? spare prices of honda is generally higher. Many quality issues with honda (in general) in last 2-3 years reported here in the forum.
    2. Honda twister: Seen many. Feels sporty. Dont like the coverless chain. Puny rear tyre. Here it gives good milage as DY. Same honda concerns as above
    3. Bajaj Discover 100 (do we get 5 gear now?): Old 100cc bike. We see plenty of them on road all over the country. Milage? Reliability? since people here claim, bajaj just lasts 2-3 years.
    4. Discover 100T: Took a test drive. Felt very low on power (may be compared to 125T). I think I would prefer the old 100cc discover over this one for looks. Milage? 60? surely not 70+.
    5. Discover 125T: Took a test drive. Saddle is high (for a person who is 5'9) even at lowest position of mono shock. Otherwise was OK. Milage 50-55 I was told. Price 66k. Looks OK (like I said, I like the plain discover better compared to this T series of discovers). maintenance expenses?
    6. Yamaha SS125: Just seen a couple around me. No clue. Yamaha - quality should OK/good, but Milage? I suspect. Ride quality? Spares?
    7. TVS Star city: No idea of this bike. But, see quite a few on the streets now a days. May be I observe them more because they stand out with their new color graphics stickers. Good milage of 70+? TVS should be cheap on spares. TVS is reliable I guess.
    8. TVS Star sport: Do we get this? I remember Virat Kohli on TV with this bike . It looks good - sleek, small & light - to me then on tv.
    9. Hero honda - No hero honda in my mind. Just dont prefer their looks or the brand. Hence a mental block completely against splendor, dawn (grandpa bikes), passion series - soo boring. Hunk et al as repackaged bikes.
    10. Suzuki - Again , is boring except for GS150R may be. but then, dont know much about their bikes like Hayate or slingshot. Never see them on the streets.
    11. Pulsar 135 - Can be considered. But only 50-55kmpl. Reliable? Open chain
    12. Yahama FS-Z/X: no idea. Looks sporty & better than SS125/YBX. Price? Milage?
    13. Any other bike which suits this list here? (Pl. comment and I hope I can add the feedback here)

    Still not able to conclude on the bike. Discover series appears to be good along with the two hondas listed. Still not clear about their reliability aspects. So need to conclude on it based on a detailed comparison.

    Based on these factors, putting up this table here which should help me (and others) in picking up a milage bike:
    Bike..............................
    Milage (KMPL) Looks (1-5) Comfort (1-5) Reliability (1-5) Spares prices (1(exp)-
    5(cheap)
    On-road Price (BLR) Comments.........................................
    Honda Dream Yuga 60-70 *** *** **** ** 59,000 No disc brakes(even front). Consistent feedback from customers as 60kmpl. only showroom boards show 70-80-90. 59k - top model - no accessories.
    Honda Twister 60-70 **** ** **** ** 63,000 No chain guard, thin tyres, +discbrakes. topend - 63k - no accessories.
    Discover 100cc(4 gear) 65? *** *** *** **** 52,000 Thanks Antz-bin - Was told this gives above 70.. infact 85 was quoted by the showroom. Rs 51,xxx.
    Discover 100cc(5 gear) 65-70 *** **** *** **** 54,000 Thanks Touseef. Rs 52xxx + smartcard of 900rs. Showroom guy claims 4G gives better FE than 5G
    Discover 100T 55-60 *** *** *** *** 62,000 testride was a flop. pathetic pickup with 2 people on the bike
    Discover 125T 50-55 *** **** *** *** 67000 Looks well built; thin rear tyre; Saddle height
    Pulsar 135 50-55 **** ** ** *** 71000 Engine felt harsh hence not comfortable; riding position
    Yamaha SS125 40-50/ 45-55 *** *** *** ** ? Not trustable for milage IMO
    Yamaha YBR125 40-50/ 45-55 ** *** *** ** ? More or less same as SS125?
    Yamaha SZ-R/X 45-50 **** ** *** ** ?
    Yamaha YBR 50? ** *** *** ** ?
    TVS Star city 65-70 ** *** **** **** ?
    TVS Sport 70 ** *** *** **** ?
    Suzuki Hayate 60-65 ** *** **** **** ?
    Suzuki Slingshot ?? ** ** ? ? ?
    Mahindra Centuro 65-70 *** **** ? ? 53.5K Amazing bike for city use. Drawbacks - 45 days waiting at the moment. Reliability? (5 yr warranty should address it) Spares pricing? (no clue).


    So experts, can you pl. help in populating this table for a quick reference? If allowed, I can keep updating the first post in this thread with your feedback for completing the table Also, let us stick to real experiences here. Pl do not redirect to other websites or auto mag reviews (biased). Pl. share your own real experience with your machines to build this detail.

    Mods, approve this thread please?

    Update: Added Mahindra Centuro to the list!
    Last edited by blue_maniac; 08-24-2013 at 01:05 PM. Reason: Updated pricing & other paramters

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    Well about Mileage that too committed mileage I have heard that Hero Honda (your mental block company) ,Bajaj and TVS are good brands manufacturing commuter bikes. Since you are not a college student and are working professional, you can go for Hero or Bajaj or TVS, for rest other companies first check whether any review is available with regards to real on road mileage as against the advertised mileage by company.

    About Honda Twister you please check the reviews whether onroad mileage is really as advertised or atleast upto 90% of advertised.

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    One bike i vote from these all, Discover . Go for Discover 100cc 5 speed. Its powerful, fuel efficient.
    My Uncle has a Discover 100 (5 speed)
    Its a great bike.
    Good for City.
    The mileage in city is 66-67 kmpl. Here is my experience with it.
    Looks : 3/5.
    Comfort : 4/5.
    Reliability : 3/5.
    Spares : 4/5.
    Coming to looks of 100cc bikes, i say they all look decent simple & decent & tyres are ofcourse thin, because its a commuter bike and wider tyres eat away the bike's mileage.

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    Twister will return higher FE than you mentioned. It will be very close to Dream Yuga.

    Highest FE will be from Discover 100 5G > 100 4G > Dream Yuga = Twister > 100T

    Most of your doubts will be cleared here:

    http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/what-bik...e-comfort.html

    http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/first-im...over-100t.html

    http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/first-im...-commuter.html
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    I was wondering why the looks column is incomplete.. You didnt got photo or you want others to decide on the looks, which are very subjective. In my opinion Passion pro looks better than dream yuga! Will you go by my opinion

    Retesting 100T would be a good idea.

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    Twister - Tried, tested, fun, reliable, tires aren't as bad as you think, returns a hefty mileage, etc.

    I have been using this beautiful Honda bike since February 2011. I used it till September last year. Now my father uses it.

    When I used it, I pulled wheelies and burnouts on the vehicle, went on trips upto 200km in distance, experimented with the carb, raced with other firends, did 90-100kmph, etc. It still returned a mileage of about 60kmpl on a average over the two years.

    Now that dad uses it, he rides at speeds of 40-60kmph. Mostly city riding(to office and back). The carb is back to company settings. The bike is treated like a 100cc bike should be. It's returning a mileage of around 70-75kmph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsk11584 View Post
    Well about Mileage that too committed mileage I have heard that Hero Honda (your mental block company)
    Do you suggest any specific HH bike to check for very good milage (other than dawn/splendor/passion series)? Pl. let me know with its actual onroad milage & i can add to the list.

    Some how, the attitude of the sales/service people at HH showroom is very pathetic from my earlier experience. I feel they take their customers for granted (same is the case with Honda, but they are slightly better).

    Quote Originally Posted by Touseef Ahmed Mohammed View Post
    One bike i vote from these all, Discover . Go for Discover 100cc 5 speed.
    Thanks Touseef. Updated the list. Your post gives practical/real feedback, unlike wt gets quoted elsewhere in reviews/posts - discover 100 gives 80kmpl FE.

    Quote Originally Posted by antz.bin View Post
    Twister will return higher FE than you mentioned.
    Quote Originally Posted by madhav766 View Post
    Twister - Tried, tested, fun, reliable
    Thanks antz.bin/Madhav . Updated the FE for twister I think FE of 65-70 seems good for twister then. Twister looks sporty compared to Discover & Discover xxxT.

    Quote Originally Posted by antz.bin View Post
    This can be looked at I suppose. But report said FE of 50-55. So, did not consider initially. Saw the other link too. But it was more tending towards 125 & 150cc bikes with more emphasis on comfort rather than the FE, and hence started this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by muztariq View Post
    I was wondering why the looks column is incomplete..
    It means I haven't really looked at the bike beyond a glance on the road. May be if a girl was riding it, I might have spent more time on both of them (her & her bike) and could've given a better comment


    So guys, My current stance:
    a) Discover 125ST - FE of 55kmpl, OTR price 67K. FE is a concern since I want something >70kmpl
    b) Discover 100 or 125 - FE seems to be like 65kmpl for 100cc, OTR of 51-54K for 100cc. 125cc for 57k with discs (I think or was it 61k?). 100cc with 5 cogs seem to be the logical choice of the lot. Not sure if I should go for 100T with lower FE when 100 gives better FE (of 10-15 kmpl extra) and lower price.
    c) Dream Yuga & Twister - spectacular numbers for FE given at 70kmpl (saw a chart in the showroom for DY where some customer had claimed to get 92kmpl. most of the other milage toppers were at 77, 76, 72 kmpl on the chart there). But, DY looks like those hero honda bikes and Twister, looks wise, is too sporty I still feel. Not sure of reliability and cost of spares for these bikes.
    d) TVS star city or Pheonix - Looks OK FE wise. For pheonix, price seems to be in budget at 61k, FE of 60kmpl (as told). Some how, TVS has not lived upto their reputation after they broke up from Suzuki. Other than Apache (which I feel vibrates a lot), no other model stood ground after Fiero. TVS victor/star series is not very attractive I feel. Pheonix - Will it go the same way as recent models ( dropped from their product list after 2-3 years?).
    e) Suzuki bikes - havent checked. not sure if I should.
    f) Yamaha bikes - FE is a concern.
    h) HH bikes - please suggest

    So, we dont have any bikes which offer 70+ kmpl FE in city traffic (other than DY/Twister)? The closest we are getting to is the Discover 100 5-Gear from my initial list. Tempted to go into the 150CC category, but refraining due to FE, weight, price reasons.

    Pl. provide feedback on your rides (which suit this category) in terms of actual FE achieved.
    Last edited by blue_maniac; 03-17-2013 at 02:26 AM.

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    why don't you TD the vanilla 125/150 discover,IMO 125 ST isn't really a tall bike and i am 5'6 but then its me but its the only bike left that ticks off most of your demands

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_maniac View Post
    Do you suggest any specific HH bike to check for very good milage (other than dawn/splendor/passion series)? Pl. let me know with its actual onroad milage & i can add to the list.
    Sadly, just Passion XPRO (with DreamY engine) will make the cut. The rest of the Hero commuter range is wayy too old now and without new innovations, the tightening emission norms have eaten into the excellent fuel efficiency of the old CD100s and Splendors.

    Quote Originally Posted by blue_maniac View Post
    Thanks Touseef. Updated the list. Your post gives practical/real feedback, unlike wt gets quoted elsewhere in reviews/posts - discover 100 gives 80kmpl FE.
    Whatever the experience, Discover 100 5G is the current undisputed FE champion. Under identical *city* conditions, all other bikes will return less than what this will manage.

    Quote Originally Posted by blue_maniac View Post
    Saw the other link too. But it was more tending towards 125 & 150cc bikes with more emphasis on comfort rather than the FE, and hence started this thread.
    Since you have such a strict FE requirement, I assume your usage will be comparatively high. Wouldn't you want your commute to be reasonably comfortable?? Anyways, he also had a *good* FE requirement. So I suggest you to stop judging the book by its cover & read it properly till the end.

    Quote Originally Posted by blue_maniac View Post
    So guys, My current stance:
    a) Discover 125ST - FE of 55kmpl, OTR price 67K. FE is a concern since I want something >70kmpl
    Fair enough. But for 70kmpl requirement, you can safely leave out anything and everything over 110cc. And if you check the 125ST ownership thread, most of them are getting pretty close to 60kmpl. Even the older (and cheaper) Discover 150 manages 60kmpl in the city.

    Quote Originally Posted by blue_maniac View Post
    b) Discover 100 or 125 - FE seems to be like 65kmpl for 100cc, OTR of 51-54K for 100cc. 125cc for 57k with discs (I think or was it 61k?). 100cc with 5 cogs seem to be the logical choice of the lot. Not sure if I should go for 100T with lower FE when 100 gives better FE (of 10-15 kmpl extra) and lower price.
    10-15kmpl!! What are you expecting 100T's FE to be? Less than the 125ST? If at all we have to be fair, the 100T FE is very close to Dream Yuga / Twister / Passion XPRO FE (but is more powerful and costs the same).

    If you really want to make a choice, Test ride each and every bike in that shortlist of yours and you should easily know what you exactly need.
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