Re: Bikes between Rs 90,000 - Rs 1,50,000

Well the quote itself answers, that there is no alternative for more power.

In simple terms, if you buy gixxer today you will love it for few days/months or maybe years. If you are satisfied with that power then its well n good, but after using gixxer you will crave for more power and then later realise that you should have brought the 200cc bikes as they have ample power to keep ypu happy on highway nd city rides.

Above is my description for the quote, others please give your try if I am not clear.

Cheers,
Sanjay

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Ohkay brother just come to an end and tell us finally what cons and pros you are looking forward.

1. If you go for Gixxer/14PS later you will be willing for more powerful bike and might regret not going for a higher capacity CC bike. Like 200cc pulsar, cbr 250, Mojo 300cc.

2.If you don't like gixxer now then you have no choice. You will regret for denying best bike of the year. Best 150cc bike.

3. For rest you need to go through forum and try searching for related doubts. We have enough of same question.

Kindly close this thread.

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Hi sanjay, thank you for your answers. Anyways i ll think hard before buying a bike. I ll post a photos of the new bike.

Rahul

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Hi all wanted. thank you for your suggestions.... Earlier i mentioned No to Bajaj.. 200cc pulsars is out of my list... CBR 250 is very very good bike which ticks all the boxes... but it is over priced i.e 2 lakh, two times the cost of SF!!! PS i am scared to ride bikes above 110 kmph...!!!! SF 's top speed is approx 130kmph which will be enough for me.

Please advise me how to close this thread....

Re: Bikes between Rs 90,000 - Rs 1,50,000

Gixxer sf is a a nice choice and don't worry moderators will close this thread.

Do post your ownership experience in the gixxer sf thread.

All the best!!!

Cheers,
Sanjay

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Gixxer sf max out @122kmph.

Brother you already know what you really want. Go with your heart for a gixxer and I bet you won't regret

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Dude gixxer sf is a good choice but, like many people said in this thread .You would crave for more power after riding it for 5-6 months.Go for what your heart says. R15s would also be a good choice.Take your time and do your research.Ride safe

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I think in this budget, Gixxer SF and Yamaha YZF-R15 are the two top choices followed by AS200, RS200, Fazer FI. Fazer FI is a very comfortable tourer in itself but when you have a Gixxer SF, its better to select that over a Fazer IMHO. AS200 and RS200 are good bikes but the design is average (being a subjective matter though. I was once in love with RS200 but that novelty factor died with time after a few times I saw it. Gixxer SF and R15 are timeless beauties.)

1. Relaxed riding position- Gixxer SF > Yamaha YZF R-15
2. Any engine CC 150-200 - Your choice.
3. Comfort while riding in streets(potholes), city and highways- Gixxer SF > Yamaha YZF R-15
4. Refined Engine Performance- Yamaha YZF R-15 > Gixxer SF (Gixxer itself is very very refined but R15 is supremely refined I heard from owners and also felt same.)
5. Better rider and pillion comfort for ladies especially my mom!!!!- Gixxer SF >>>>>>> Yamaha YZF-R15.
6. Good Touring- Gixxer SF > Yamaha YZF R-15
7. Better tubeless tyres- Not a factor as right tyres can always be selected/changed.
8. Preferably from Suzuki, Honda and Yamaha 'No to Bajaj'- Suzuki and Yamaha both fulfill your brand requirement.


A few photos to help you choose better. Gixxer SF is a wonderful machine and new variant with rear disc brakes is about to be launched in a month or two as per reports.











Although Yamaha YZF-R15 does not fulfil all your requirements, but just in case you go and check it out even once, selecting Gixxer SF over R15 might get tough. Thing is that R15 feels very broad to the rider making one feel like having a proper big bike. Another thing that I liked was that the speedo cluster has an analog tachometer that looks better overall than an all digital speedo cluster, esp when it makes a full sweep on turning the ignition. Lastly, a bike with sporty stance/seating position has its own charm.

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H Paddle ... thanks for your help... I would choose SF over R15... R15 is meant for racing as it is track oriented bike like KTM RC200. I would wait for SF's next edition release with a rear disc brake... then proceed to purchase it.

Rahul

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hello xbhpians,

Even i am in a similar dilemma. Need a bike, following being requirements-

1. Office commutes of 35-40km one way. 15km of medium-heavy traffic and 25km of highwayish-light traffic.
2. Mileage should be >35kmpl.
3. High on Comfort. I owned a karizma r earlier. Need a bike that can atleast match its comfort if not better.
My current ride Xtreme 2007 vibrates the vibe out of the rider at speeds >60km/hr, not as comfortable as karizma.
4. The bike should last for the next 10 years or 50000 kms. Should not let me think about another bike again after few years.
Note:- I do take very good care of the bike.

Bikes I currenlty have in mind-
1) Karizma R/ZMR 2015- Nearby dealer is offering 15k discount on both due to poor sales/clearing out old stock, making it the cheapest 200+ cc vehicle that money can buy.
Dealers didn't offer test ride,they are least interested. May be it still holds the comfort and ride quality of legacy karizma.
Cons-Very ugly looking(Would have given pink slips to hero designers if i was the lead),vibrations comparable to xtreme(as per reviews).
2) RE Thunderbird 350 - Ticks most boxes except that I am very lean built, and I do not look good on the bike.
3) Gixxer - Felt happy after test ride. Looses out steam in highways esp. compared to 200cc engine.
4) R15s - Again. Dealers dont offer test ride, nothing to conclude.

P.S. - I am open to all options,even can wait for upcoming bikes(till next 2 months).

Pls suggest xbhpians. Sorry for the long post.

Thanks

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ZMR will be updated in coming time, but not sure when.

Are you considering the PULSAR AS200? Great bike for highway as well as city.

Stay away from RE if " The bike should last for the next 10 years or 50000 kms. Should not let me think about another bike again after few years.
Note:- I do take very good care of the bike."

As you said gixxer looses steam, you will feel the same after buying the R15s after sometime of ownership.

If you can stretch the budget, why not get a CBR250. The most hassle free bike among 200-250cc lot, easy on maintenance as well.

Cheers,
Sanjay

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Thanks Sanjay..

.But I thought RE was the only one to be built to last. Any specific niggles?

Its been an eternity,since we are all heard about the new karizma rumours. No updates yet, neither hx250r.

Cbr250r in is a gamble as the honda svc's in hyderabad are not trustworthy at all. Also the updated 250/300 could be launched.

Looks like the only option is AS200. Or updated zma/zmr. Hope hero launches it soon.

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Saar!!, you need to check the ownership thread for RE. If someone is not a hardcore follower of the cult RE, they will.all advise to stay away.

I am not against RE, but clutch cable snapping off, silencer falling off. RE are the most unreliable bike in India and not to forget the operational cost its more compared to bikes available in RE price range.

A strict no no to RE it makes a good cult bike but not easy to live with.

Cheers,
Sanjay

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I exactly do not know what are you talking about. Being ensaddled on one pretty long, I can vouch these are hoaxes. There might have been a few sour ones which doesn't define the whole segment. RE has standardized the manufacturing in recent times and has seen an international surge.
Tell me something, I know a person who had to replace the clutch (plate, not the cable) of a CBR 250(ABS one) 5 times during the initial 6 months cause it was running dry due to a faulty crank. Does it define every CBR as filthy s*itty piece of junk? no, naa? Then why do you have this stigma against RE??

All that I have faced is two punctures, EVER.

I'd take the word, right from the horses' mouth. BTW, you do have the horse naa? you know a person who has reported his silencer falling off??

You know what? It might actually happen.
RE's have most parts that can be easily replaced. Maybe the mechanics hadn't tightened the screw. Not RE's fault, is it? Complain of Rusting? Yes, OFC it WILL rust, being made of metal, that is.

So being sensible is a good thing. RE's "were" niggly. Now they have standardized the manufacturing and most of them are flawless.

But then again, haters are gonna hate. Why should they care.

Cheers,
Achyut.

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I have my friend who rides a RE classic 350 and I can vouch for him to be the sanest rider of the sane.

This clutch cable snapping of happened within 5 months of ownership and silencer falling off a few months back riding on a trip. Now if the bike was treated badly I would understand all these issues. Why would this happen to a new bike. I agree this is one off case. But still silencer falling off could be fatal if not deadly.

RE are niggly I will say it with a loud voice!!! call it my perception and my experience with RE and its maintenance.

Now coming to the TS, he asked for a bike which should serve him for a decade atleast and looking at the operational cost and small small niggles which I have seen, it doesn't make a reliable bike and thats what I said.

RE are not fill it, shut it and leave it kind of bike as compared to other bikes with a bit of more technology and who is stopping RE from incorporating those technology.

On a personal note : I have absolute hatred towards RE owners who think they are baap of the road and nothing else comes close to a "bullet". If I had the leverage I would run over them with their own RE.

Again thats my personal experience towards RE and RE riders who think other bikes and road users are useless.

I would want to peace out on this and those who have RE and respect other road users, you have my respect sir!!! And wish you all the goodluck to clock more miles on RE.

Cheers,
Sanjay

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1. I rode the current generation ZMA-R. I felt it was a letdown compared to the older generation. Vibrations are prominent and the engine sounds coarse. I like the riding position though. There have been some issues with the valves. Check out the ZMA-R (2014) thread. Overall not many complaints. But I would stay away since I heard from the service guys that an updated version is on test runs and will have vastly different mechanicals (Although based on the same engine).

2. Mileage of the 350cc RE's are in the ballpark of 35kmpl. Maybe the RE's can offer the comfort (the seats on Thunderbirds are excellent) of the Karizma but no way are you going to zip and zap through traffic like you could on a Karizma. RE's are meant to be ridden at a steady pace on highways. After getting used to riding a karizma at highway speeds (80+), riding an RE at similar speeds will be an ordeal (Hint: Vibrations!). In peak traffic hours, you can feel the heavy clutch of the RE's and will regret riding one in city. Perhaps not your cup of tea. RE loyalists will shoot me if I point out RE's horrendous service centres and atrocious spares pricing. Only buy an RE if you can give that super extra care for the bike. Else stay away. Like sanjay mentioned, RE's are in no way fill it, shut it and ride it kinda motorcycles.

3. Gixxer has won all sorts of awards and what not. But let me tell you moving from karizma or any other 200+cc bike to a 150cc will make you feel underpowered. Maybe the bike has similar power to weight ratio but no way is it going to match the torque. Like you said, at higher speeds the breathlessness of a smaller engine will be obvious. Good bike though. SF seems to be a gimmick to me. The regular Gixxer is way more VFM. Expect a fuel efficiency of around 40-50kmpl.

4. R15s have become one of those tried and tested models. If you have to take around a pillion often forget it. Its like sitting on the top floor of a double decker bus. It may take time for you to get used the sporty riding position. Wrists may hurt on bad roads. The bike is excellent for highways but I found it hard to filter through traffic due to the bulk of the fairing. Its easy to break the indicators. But its not really that bad. Don't expect it to have the low end punch of the karizma. You hit a speed breaker, you will most probably have to shift to first gear. Find a good yamaha service centre in your city before purchase since a lot of yamaha service centres suck!

As for other suggestion,

1. Pulsar 200 AS/NS/RS: Brilliantly priced. Definitely VFM. Not so expensive spares. Lesser problems compared to the KTM counterpart. AS and RS get the projector headlamps. RS has more punch (FI) and also gets ABS. I didn't find the RS to be good looking. Still suffers from the minor bajaj niggles. Mild vibes (way better compared to older pulsars), fit and finish and terrible service at some places. Find a good service centre and you shouldn't have much problems. Overall a great makeover from the older pulsars in all ways. I would never think of a pulsar in the past but now my mindset is a little different. You could consider it.

2. CBR 250R: Still the perfect bike for India in my mind save for the spares availability problems and bad service centres. Has good torque spread for cities and a great highway machine. ABS. Decently fuel efficient (30-35kmpl). Bulky to wade through traffic though. Parts are of good quality and all problems have been sorted out after the initial few batches. But the spares cost a bomb. So take that into consideration. Running cost will definitely be higher compared karizma. Decently maintained used CBR's with ABS are available for 1lakh easily.

3. Mojo: This might be the beginning for Mahindra. All intital reviews are positive and Mahindra pricing it at 1.58l ex-showroom is icing on the cake. Would be a great successor to Karizma for you in every way. Torquey engine, great highway machine, upright stance and decent if not great looks. Mahindra's has two major issues: Service network and brand name in two wheeler market. I am particularly sceptical about the service since every brand in India who introduced water cooled engines ran into problems since our service centres have no prior experience in dealing with water cooled units. I think time will answer this confusion. You can wait for it though (let the first batches run their course). Looks promising.

4. TVS-BMW 300cc bike: I am excited for this! BMW means great technology and TVS means great pricing + decent service centres. But looks like this one is not coming anytime soon. Perhaps next year.

5. Benelli TNT 250: I am excited for this one too! Still in testing phase. Likely to be priced under 2l on road. Should be out next year. Benelli's ownership has turned out to be positive in India as of now. If they play the cards right, this bike will be the Duke 250 killer. Again the ownership costs will be in a new league!

Stay away from KTMs (city riding = tandoor legs) although they are fun to ride and all that. Again terrible service centres. Hero HX250R also looks like a distant dream and Hero may run into the same problem of servicing water cooled engines. Hero might kill the market by pricing it nicely though.