Re: Premium Commuter 150CC Required !

Great choice indeed. When I read the Page One of this thread, I was frankly like...why Pulsar 150 is not there. Not whats trending today but a VFM product. And lo.....you went for something better at a price tad higher than other 150cc bikes (suzuki, yamaha,honda,etc..).

Also one more thing. The company says to change oil at first service(may be at 600 kms or something). I would suggest you to change oil at 300 kms as well as 600 kms. This is because, during running-in some fine metal shavings scrap off the cylinder and very important to get rid of them, earlier the better. This is not recommended by OEM, but there is no harm in changing only oil, completely upto you bro.

And once again....CONGRATS

Just to further help you get running-in ideas, I have a detailed strategy mentioned here for what I did with my Pulsar 220F.
http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general-...-owners-9.html . Refer to POST #87. Also read other posts.

Seconded....

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actually i disagree about this, the fine metal shaving that u are talking about will be captured in the filter which will be replaced in the first servicing. when the manufacturer specifies a routine wrt the first service, he gives the figure with a FOS of atleast 1.5, so changing oil before that would be just a waste of money...

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Have you already bought the Unicorn? If not then guess what, the Honda Hornet just launched. You can book it!

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Agreed bro. But in the initial stages, there are very fine metal shavings that come off which cannot be strained by oil filter, even centrifugal ones.

I read this on the internet. If you search metal shaving motorbike oil, almost all reviews state doing so. Wanted to confirm if thats true. So when my bike completed 300 kms, I went to my local mechanic and told him to drain the oil(No touching filter here). The oil was somewhat clear as it was just 300 kms till now. I could clearly see fine pin point size shiny metals scrapings, not considerable though as Pulsar has a centrifugal oil filter.

My point was why take risk for a matter of RS 430 oil refill. Shelling out INR 91,000 was a great deal for me and did not want to take any chances. Also from the business perspective, OEM manuals dont say a lot of things so that they can extract money through servicing(EX: When I went for my first engine flush, the mechanic was like, no need. But I insisted.). Just to not get into warranty hastles, I changed the oil (MOTUL Mineral oil, psychological satisfaction or maybe not)at local mechanic.

As, Varuog has will also buy the same engineering, i shared it. Also it is completely upto him to do so, no harm though in doing it. Just INR 430 extra for dtsi Oil.

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really? so there is no paper mesh filter on bajaj bikes? no wonder all bajaj bikes reviews would recommend an intermediate oil change. because centrifugal filters are inherently inferior to paper mesh filters.
about mineral vs synthetic, i would always veer towards synthetic, temperature variations and load fluctuations cause earlier degradation of mineral, not to mention the number of additives a synthetic oil can hold are more.

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I mean no offence to your knowledge. But allow me to correct you. I am open to positive criticism.

All centrifuge oil filters have an oil strainer(the one you referring to as paper mesh filter). Or rather let me put it this way, centrifuge oil filter lessens the burden on the actual oil strainer. If only oil strainer is used, it will collect more debris and slow down the flow of oil through it eventually. Hence, a centrifuge is used to almost completely filter the oil(say 90%)and then pass it through an oil strainer which will almost 99% filter the oil. So rather than filtering 99% of the oil, oil strainer now has to only filter remainder 9% impurity of oil. The centrifuge cannot completely filter oil as only heavier particles are pulled towards the outside, while light particles make it out of the centrifuge. It is therefore to filter these lighter and smaller particles, that oil strainer is required. However, even the oil strainer cannot filter microscopic particles.

If any oil filter system was able to 100% filter the oil, then there would be no need for oil change. Only top-up would have sufficed. Hence, you saying centrifuge is inferior to paper filter doesnt make sense. They work hand in hand. No centrifugal oil filter would be complete without an oil strainer as it is. Hence, in bikes like Pulsar 220f, oil filter cleaning period is larger. This eliminates the need to open clutch cover at every service like in other bikes having only oil strainer without centrifugal oil filter.

There is an oil strainer (tea bag kinda material). Oil filtered from centrifuge passes through oil strainer as it exits towards the oil cooling radiator(if there is one like in the 220F). Regardless, microscopic metal shavings are always there, regardless of the brand. So the only way out is to refill oil earlier. Just as a little extra care, I changed it half way down. Even if I had a Honda, Yamaha, etc, I would have done the same. Bikes having centrifuge oil filter need cleaning and oil strainer replacement at every 20K kms interval. Bikes with only oil strainer need its replacement every 5k kms or so. So, the use of centrifuge is actually increasing the oil strainer/paper filter's life.

Use only mineral oil during the run in period, the reason being is the engine moving parts need to rub and get polished with each other, synthetic oil has high lubricating properties thus it will result in uneven polishing of engine parts.

Never use synthetic oil while running-in as it hampers the very purpose of running-in(settling of pistons and cylinder). Hence, mineral oil is recommended during running-in. As the quality of mineral oil degrades faster, one should change it frequently(every 500-1000 kms) before migrating to Semi-Synthetic or Fully Synthetic oil, be it a Bajaj bike or not.

Hope you take it in positive regards and not get offended and neither offend me.. FYI,Little do people know Bajaj pulsar 150,180,200,220F,135Ls are all Kawasaki engineered bikes, going by the name of Rouser by Kawasaki, sold in the Philippines. Bajaj had obtained their blue prints when it had partnered with Kawasaki. Same as pulsar 200ns and RS200 are derived from KTM.

regards.

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why would i get offended. your response was very well written and completely logical, i stand corrected. and in the process i learnt something new today

fyi, i do not like bajaj as a brand (don't like the brand image) but unfortunately i am connected to them through my bike. haha.

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Also, I will be driving down to Mumbai on 24th Dec. I will be near Panvel by 7-8 pm may be. If you dont mind, we cant have a cup of chai in the spirit of brotherhood in bikeism.....

Regards.

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oh yeah your rann of kutch trip.
unfortunately il be in nagpur for a wedding. but how about that chai on your way back?

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Done... 28Th Dec by 6-7 pm or 29th Dec early morning 6-7 am. Lets see......

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Hey, You seem to know quite a bit about the ASS of brands I guess. I live in delhi. What's your opinion on the services of TVS, Suzuki and Bajaj? Cost is not much of an issue, I just want to get my problems fixed whenever needed.
Also, is the build quality and durability of RTR200 and Gixxer SF on the same boat?

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Hey, I quite like your opinion. Could you please help me suggesting a bike? I am 6"1', and want a bike with v.good city suspension for potholes and decent low end power for city. I also want no scraping at speed breakers, but don't think that's of any relevance as I ride solo most of the time. Further, the rear suspension of Gixxer can be adjusted I guess, so which one should I go for, 200NS, Gixxer SF FI, or RTR200?
Also, how much of a drop in FE can i expect in these two 200cc motorcycles in city conditions, compared to the Gixxer SF?

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Hi Sanket,


ASS quality may vary from city to city and also dealer to dealer. Generally TVS service is OK. Suzuki had always struggled but they have become better over time now. Bajaj SVC are always a hit or miss. So you never know. Depends very much on the reputation of the dealer.

Both RTR 200 and Gixxer are doing good numbers. Afaik build quality of both these products are good. Too early to comment on durability. However I would suggest you to make up your mind since here two are very different products. The RTR has an explosive mid range and decent to end. Whereas the Gixxer has plenty of torque down the low revs. Also would be more fuel efficient. The Gixxer has a more bassy note whereas the apache is also bassy and loud too. Also understand that these bikes are two segments apart. So on the paper comparison would be unfair as the RTR is clearly more powerful. Depends very much on your likes and needs. Take a test ride of both bikes.

Regards,
HARISH

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Hey, I completely second your point. But you see, Gixxer SF FI and RTR Pirelli Carb are priced exactly the same. How much of a difference in Fuel efficiency can I expect?
I request you to read my post and revert there. I've written in detail, of my needs. Thanks in advance.
Here goes the link: http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/what-bik...all-rider.html

Re: Premium Commuter 150CC Required !

Guys, Gixxer BS3 is being offered at a massive discount. It would be the best option for a person planning for a 150cc bike now.