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**The Monk** · 03-22-2016, 01:05 PM

Re: Upgrade , but which one Brain VS Heart ?

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You sound so muddled that even my head is spinning trying to figure out what exactly you want

**rreneav1987** · 03-22-2016, 01:17 PM

Re: Upgrade , but which one Brain VS Heart ?

What exactly do you want? CBR650R? Or did you mean 650F??

Eider has recently introduce few of their bikes.. CFMoto 650.. It will cost you close to about 4.5 On Road.. Check it out..

If you want music to your ears, then it would be good if you can go for an inline 4 Benelli TNT 650.. but then, you are saying no to Naked.. Damn, I am now confused..

**TheArcher84** · 03-22-2016, 01:26 PM

Re: Upgrade , but which one Brain VS Heart ?

Are you sure of what you have typed here. Damn, It goes into loop, Server(Brain) hanged. System re-boot required, I glass of JD please (on the rocks)

**drive_angry** · 03-22-2016, 01:45 PM

Re: Upgrade , but which one Brain VS Heart ?

And I though I was the only one

Bro, what exactly do you require a superbike for? performance, looks or status symbol?

Personally, I have never been a big fan of Kawasaki, I would chose BN602 (Benelli 600i) out of the lot.

An inline four engine at the cheapest price.. and every time you rip open the throttle, the sound it makes you feel like man... Pure Nirvana (Every penny well spent!)

keep us posted on your decision.. by the way what's your budget?

any idea when G310R is going to be launched?

**Divya Sharan** · 03-22-2016, 02:38 PM

Re: Upgrade , but which one Brain VS Heart ?

Originally posted by Above_All View Post

But showroom person saying go for N300 instead of N650R you will get 30+ FE compared to 11.

That is why one should talk to real owners and go through the ownership logs instead of listening to the almighty dealership folk!
N650R returns in excess of 23-24 kmpl for most users here. With a controlled throttle over long tours, people have gotten 26+ too.

But if you primarily plan to ride in city, N300 would keep you happy.

**Naveen Vajja** · 03-22-2016, 03:43 PM

Re: Upgrade , but which one Brain VS Heart ?

A Ninja 300 (or any 300) can happily cruise at 120 just as a N650 or any 650 for that matter. If you want to do 180s then God save you and the others ...

Buying a big bike has it perks in terms of wow factor, show off, bling ... weve. But if you want a motorcycle to live with and have the power to do weekend rides and fancy stuff ... get a 300 and get accessories.

In this age and economy nothing you buy will be unique ... maybe more than an FZ but not unique.

Buying a big bike is one thing ... living with it and its expenses/tantrums is another. I remember a 650 user posting his running expenses for his ownership and i thought ... "damnnn ... I will get another 300 for it". Heart tells you a lot of things brother ... but let the mind have its say too as that is what will pay the bills later.

Let me tell you a story ... a true story

The other Saturday (quite a few ones ago) I was riding back from the mall. There was a Ninja 650 stuck in traffic beside me; maybe someone from here, with an aftermarket exhaust (two small pipes coming from the side ... IXIL i guess). The bike was so hot that it burned me ... couldn't help but feel sorry for the rider. After 30 minutes I was in the middle of the flyover (some 100 mts) and he was still there (almost). Definitely wasn't that I was more skilled nor that he was not ... he just couldn't move the way I did ...

I'm not against big bikes ... actually love them (who doesn't). I would buy one too ... on the day it seemed practical in this country to own one. Until then a 300 is my super bike ...

**rreneav1987** · 03-22-2016, 06:11 PM

Re: Upgrade , but which one Brain VS Heart ?

Originally posted by Naveen Vajja View Post

A Ninja 300 (or any 300) can happily cruise at 120 just as a N650 or any 650 for that matter. If you want to do 180s then God save you and the others ...

Buying a big bike has it perks in terms of wow factor, show off, bling ... weve. But if you want a motorcycle to live with and have the power to do weekend rides and fancy stuff ... get a 300 and get accessories.

In this age and economy nothing you buy will be unique ... maybe more than an FZ but not unique.

Buying a big bike is one thing ... living with it and its expenses/tantrums is another. I remember a 650 user posting his running expenses for his ownership and i thought ... "damnnn ... I will get another 300 for it". Heart tells you a lot of things brother ... but let the mind have its say too as that is what will pay the bills later.

Let me tell you a story ... a true story

The other Saturday (quite a few ones ago) I was riding back from the mall. There was a Ninja 650 stuck in traffic beside me; maybe someone from here, with an aftermarket exhaust (two small pipes coming from the side ... IXIL i guess). The bike was so hot that it burned me ... couldn't help but feel sorry for the rider. After 30 minutes I was in the middle of the flyover (some 100 mts) and he was still there (almost). Definitely wasn't that I was more skilled nor that he was not ... he just couldn't move the way I did ...

I'm not against big bikes ... actually love them (who doesn't). I would buy one too ... on the day it seemed practical in this country to own one. Until then a 300 is my super bike ...

Agree with you.. 100 Likes to your post.. I believe the same.. in-fact, me and [MENTION=41586]Divya Sharan[/MENTION] had quite a lot of discussion regarding this.. we will settle down with a 300cc bike for the very same reason and for me it has to be a multicylinder.. A bike which can do ~120 kmph without straining the engine (Depending on the conditions) and a bike which is a little easy on the pocket in terms of maintenance.. Which zeroes down to Ninja 300, R3 or the TNT 300.. Might consider the Tornado 302 if launched in India..

**Naveen Vajja** · 03-22-2016, 11:26 PM

Re: Upgrade , but which one Brain VS Heart ?

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Agree with you.. 100 Likes to your post.. I believe the same.. in-fact, me and @Divya Sharan had quite a lot of discussion regarding this.. we will settle down with a 300cc bike for the very same reason and for me it has to be a multicylinder.. A bike which can do ~120 kmph without straining the engine (Depending on the conditions) and a bike which is a little easy on the pocket in terms of maintenance.. Which zeroes down to Ninja 300, R3 or the TNT 300.. Might consider the Tornado 302 if launched in India..

Ignoring that Aural pleasure yada yada yada and other things ... I'll take a White Ninja 300 any day. My philosophy ...

It makes 31 at the wheel ... seems puny but you can do wonders. Even with an R3 ... more so with a Ninja. You can save ~2 lakhs over the cheapest 600.

Still have money ... put it in the bike ... drop it, shave it and put some chips and pipes on it and it'll be a bloody rocket. You can lose at least 20 kgs and make 5-7 hp more ... now that's one hell of a unique ride that can even put 600's to shame and bragging rights of the most unique ride.

In the immortal words of Eminem ... 'In life, you got your wanna be's, your gonna be's and your has-been's ... then you got your hustlers and hardcore'

**Above_All** · 03-22-2016, 11:54 PM

Re: Upgrade , but which one Brain VS Heart ?

I am already in confusion & all replies increased it. Is those radiator/cooling technology ineffective in big bikes? Almost burning other's too?

Originally posted by The Monk View Post

You sound so muddled that even my head is spinning trying to figure out what exactly you want

That's why i asked here, as i found myself undirectional, totally confused.

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

What exactly do you want? CBR650R? Or did you mean 650F??

Eider has recently introduce few of their bikes.. CFMoto 650.. It will cost you close to about 4.5 On Road.. Check it out..

If you want music to your ears, then it would be good if you can go for an inline 4 Benelli TNT 650.. but then, you are saying no to Naked.. Damn, I am now confused..

CBR650R or 650F ? I mean the fully faired one.
CFMoto 650? What's it? Sorry i am not updated with this, some info please.
Yes i want the music but preference to Fully Faired one.

Originally posted by TheArcher84 View Post

Are you sure of what you have typed here. Damn, It goes into loop, Server(Brain) hanged. System re-boot required, I glass of JD please (on the rocks)

That's why & that's how i typed, i am totally in confusion. What to get.

Originally posted by drive_angry View Post

And I though I was the only one

Bro, what exactly do you require a superbike for? performance, looks or status symbol?

Personally, I have never been a big fan of Kawasaki, I would chose BN602 (Benelli 600i) out of the lot.

An inline four engine at the cheapest price.. and every time you rip open the throttle, the sound it makes you feel like man... Pure Nirvana (Every penny well spent!)

keep us posted on your decision.. by the way what's your budget?

any idea when G310R is going to be launched?

As of now no issue of budget, i initially thought of Monster ZX14R or ZX10R but practical part of brain said why to buy it when you can't even utilise it's 50% power?
So keeping in mind Performance, looks & Status Symbol thought for 650, so atleast i can utilise ~60/80% power of it.
Yes i would love to have that sound of inline four, but also want it to be looker so prefering fully faired.
No idea about G310R but hoping to be released around Diwali.

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

That is why one should talk to real owners and go through the ownership logs instead of listening to the almighty dealership folk!
N650R returns in excess of 23-24 kmpl for most users here. With a controlled throttle over long tours, people have gotten 26+ too.

But if you primarily plan to ride in city, N300 would keep you happy.

That also what i know N650 gives around 22+ but those guys at delership are really messy & confusing.
For city i have Passion & for highway ZMR. Just wanted something bigger powerfull to roll on everyday on highway

Originally posted by Naveen Vajja View Post

A Ninja 300 (or any 300) can happily cruise at 120 just as a N650 or any 650 for that matter. If you want to do 180s then God save you and the others ...

Buying a big bike has it perks in terms of wow factor, show off, bling ... weve. But if you want a motorcycle to live with and have the power to do weekend rides and fancy stuff ... get a 300 and get accessories.

In this age and economy nothing you buy will be unique ... maybe more than an FZ but not unique.

Buying a big bike is one thing ... living with it and its expenses/tantrums is another. I remember a 650 user posting his running expenses for his ownership and i thought ... "damnnn ... I will get another 300 for it". Heart tells you a lot of things brother ... but let the mind have its say too as that is what will pay the bills later.

Let me tell you a story ... a true story

The other Saturday (quite a few ones ago) I was riding back from the mall. There was a Ninja 650 stuck in traffic beside me; maybe someone from here, with an aftermarket exhaust (two small pipes coming from the side ... IXIL i guess). The bike was so hot that it burned me ... couldn't help but feel sorry for the rider. After 30 minutes I was in the middle of the flyover (some 100 mts) and he was still there (almost). Definitely wasn't that I was more skilled nor that he was not ... he just couldn't move the way I did ...

I'm not against big bikes ... actually love them (who doesn't). I would buy one too ... on the day it seemed practical in this country to own one. Until then a 300 is my super bike ...

My ZMR is happy to do 100 all time, i am not looking for all speed.
Well if N650R is getting to hot then i might hold my plan untill end of summer as in summer temp. here reaches 40+
Might buy what almost many people says CAGE till then.

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Agree with you.. 100 Likes to your post.. I believe the same.. in-fact, me and @Divya Sharan had quite a lot of discussion regarding this.. we will settle down with a 300cc bike for the very same reason and for me it has to be a multicylinder.. A bike which can do ~120 kmph without straining the engine (Depending on the conditions) and a bike which is a little easy on the pocket in terms of maintenance.. Which zeroes down to Ninja 300, R3 or the TNT 300.. Might consider the Tornado 302 if launched in India..

I differ here as i don't found BIG upgrade from 225cc ZMR to 300CC Ninja. I may be wrong

**achyutish** · 03-23-2016, 12:14 AM

Re: Upgrade , but which one Brain VS Heart ?

Originally posted by Above_All View Post

I differ here as i don't found BIG upgrade from 225cc ZMR to 300CC Ninja. I may be wrong

Ohh you are wrong. Very wrong. It makes a world of difference. and a bike is much, much more than it's engine. even with the engine the 300cc kwacker is a treat in this side of 4 lakh. Before the TNT300 came along, it had almost no competition.
The Ninja 300 is a great machine. The prime point is the motor is happy throughout the rev range and not in the top band like the Z250.
If it was me, I'd settle for the Benelli TNT 300, solely 'cause of that sound.

BTW, The Ninja has a top whack of around 190kph+. Still think its' not a "BIG" upgrade over the Zmr???

lol, then I'd be technically "downgrading" once I get an entry level twin cylinder, for I ride a Classic 350. ROFL.

**Naveen Vajja** · 03-23-2016, 03:40 AM

Re: Upgrade , but which one Brain VS Heart ?

Originally posted by Above_All View Post

I am already in confusion & all replies increased it.

I think people here were very clear ... IMO

Is those radiator/cooling technology ineffective in big bikes? Almost burning other's too?

It's the country you are in ... its hot

I had a Super low for the weekend and vowed never to have Tandoori Chicken after experiencing what I had... poor chickens

As of now no issue of budget, i initially thought of Monster ZX14R or ZX10R but practical part of brain said why to buy it when you can't even utilise it's 50% power?
So keeping in mind Performance, looks & Status Symbol thought for 650, so atleast i can utilise ~60/80% power of it.
Yes i would love to have that sound of inline four, but also want it to be looker so prefering fully faired.
No idea about G310R but hoping to be released around Diwali.

Problem is the underlined part. 'As of now...' It doesn't end with as of now and goes on for ever and ever .... the pain and cost ... of spares and services ... a fully faired bike doesn't qualify it to be a looker ... I would look at a Ducati Monster rather than the CBR650 thing

And you using 60/80% of a 650 is ... yeah not for this country again.

A 650 is not really a status symbol ... you can get a Ninja 650 for as low as 3 (ok 3.5) and not a single soul would know. Its never the ride ... its the rider

My ZMR is happy to do 100 all time, i am not looking for all speed.
Well if N650R is getting to hot then i might hold my plan untill end of summer as in summer temp. here reaches 40+
Might buy what almost many people says CAGE till then.

You understand summer comes every year ... not trying to be an ass .. but just saying. And my FZ would be happy doing 100 all the time too ...

I differ here as i don't found BIG upgrade from 225cc ZMR to 300CC Ninja. I may be wrong

On this my friend, you are so wrong .... 38.5BHP and 27NM vs 20bhp and 19 NM wrong. I've all but respect for the ZMR, but it doesn't hold a candle to the beacon that the Ninja is ... often touted as the best beginner's bike in the world.

End of the day my friend, people can only advise you based on our experience as a community and that of ownership ... the decision is all yours and you need to understand the pros and cons of each segment of motorcycle and what and why you need it for.

Happy riding ...

**rreneav1987** · 03-23-2016, 10:18 AM

Re: Upgrade , but which one Brain VS Heart ?

Originally posted by Above_All View Post

CBR650R or 650F ? I mean the fully faired one.
CFMoto 650? What's it? Sorry i am not updated with this, some info please.
Yes i want the music but preference to Fully Faired one.

google it my dear friend.. That would be the first thing I do when I hear a new name..

Originally posted by Above_All View Post

I differ here as i don't found BIG upgrade from 225cc ZMR to 300CC Ninja. I may be wrong

Seriously? LMAO

BIG upgrade? I believe you own the first generation ZMR.. even if you own the 2014 ZMR, it goes no where near the Ninja 300.. no ways.. Not at all.. The Ninja is way superior.. Both in terms of performance and quality..

How do you compare a ZMR with Ninja 300? Man, even upgrading to the RC200 is a huge upgrade from the ZMR in terms of performance.. Don't go by the CC.. never.. Going by what you say, anyone moving to the Duke/RC 390 from RE 350 is not a BIG upgrade

**Divya Sharan** · 03-23-2016, 11:08 AM

Re: Upgrade , but which one Brain VS Heart ?

[MENTION=38122]Above_All[/MENTION], if you have friends who own N300/R3, request them for a test ride.
All your doubts will be automatically answered.

**The Monk** · 03-23-2016, 11:33 AM

Re: Upgrade , but which one Brain VS Heart ?

This post is not to help you with which bike to buy. It is more of a general statement.

Some people believe that 300cc is all you need to commute daily in the city. Good for them.

Others commute on 600s, 1000s and even the Hayabusa. Even Harleys!

What do you want and what are you capable of, only you know!

Yes, the N3 will feel powerful after a ZMR. But things like power, speed etc are relative. The other day i was riding in rush hour Gurgaon-Delhi traffic on a Rocket III, no problems whatsoever. Would i want to do that everyday, probably not.

The joy of big bikes is not the top speed (we do not have roads for high speeds), it is all about acceleration. The incredible acceleration is what makes it so much fun to ride, even in the city. I remember riding the Daytona R in congested city traffic from Manesar to Noida and i had a blast. Aggressive riding posture, supersport, high revving engine, low torque notwithstanding, it was fantastic.

The Benelli 899 is a hoot to ride in traffic.

I cannot sit and recall all the big bikes i have ridden in traffic, but let me assure you that rarely ever have i felt it a pain to ride! If i had the money why wouldn't I! Maybe i wouldn't want to ride a big bike everyday in traffic. So what, i will just keep a 200cc for daily commutes!

If you feel you are capable riding a big bike everyday, then go for it. If you feel you aren't ready, then you aren't!

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