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**xBhp** · 02-20-2019, 11:26 AM

Re: Confused with variants

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**aamaadmi** · 02-20-2019, 09:45 PM

Re: Confused with variants

The RTR200 is a sweet bike. But maybe not the best for pillion. The pillion seat is tiny. I would suggest finding a non split seat bike if you want to do serious riding 2 up. That said, do take a pillion and test ride it. Maybe you will feel differently than me.

My suggestion would be Carb+ABS. The ABS is what I would focus on as its a life saver and this is your first bike. If you wait a little, by April I think an FI+ABS version may be out. Also, unlike Carb, I think there's little to be done that would cause any concern for the FI system in regular services. Just don't let it run out of fuel.

**Harry J** · 02-21-2019, 10:53 AM

Re: Confused with variants

Originally posted by aamaadmi View Post

The RTR200 is a sweet bike. But maybe not the best for pillion. The pillion seat is tiny. I would suggest finding a non split seat bike if you want to do serious riding 2 up. That said, do take a pillion and test ride it. Maybe you will feel differently than me.

My suggestion would be Carb+ABS. The ABS is what I would focus on as its a life saver and this is your first bike. If you wait a little, by April I think an FI+ABS version may be out. Also, unlike Carb, I think there's little to be done that would cause any concern for the FI system in regular services. Just don't let it run out of fuel.

Thank you so much for your suggestion brother.

Yeah, it’s not that much good in pillion comfort. Also, mostly I will be a solo rider and in very rare cases, pillion will be there say like trips with friends.
So I don’t have problem in RTR200.

But the variant is the one I’m confused about.

You are absolutely right. ABS is a life saver and I thought of getting the same.

My mind says Carb + ABS, but my heart says, FI and that is the reason for confusion.

Regarding FI + ABS, TVS is well known for very slow launches of their products said at the time of launch.
So I highly doubt even after April, whether they will be able to deliver FI+ABS.

TVS dealers in my area themselves are not aware of this mandatory ABS rule and also about their own products and its variants. So I’m afraid about their service for a FI one.

**ayrus** · 02-21-2019, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by Harry J View Post

Thank you so much for your suggestion brother.

Yeah, it’s not that much good in pillion comfort. Also, mostly I will be a solo rider and in very rare cases, pillion will be there say like trips with friends.
So I don’t have problem in RTR200.

But the variant is the one I’m confused about.

You are absolutely right. ABS is a life saver and I thought of getting the same.

My mind says Carb + ABS, but my heart says, FI and that is the reason for confusion.

Regarding FI + ABS, TVS is well known for very slow launches of their products said at the time of launch.
So I highly doubt even after April, whether they will be able to deliver FI+ABS.

TVS dealers in my area themselves are not aware of this mandatory ABS rule and also about their own products and its variants. So I’m afraid about their service for a FI one.

FI is not worth it. With the proper carb tuning, the bike starts in a single crank and is smooth AF. There is no visible benefit of FI except the emission norms (invisible benefit). The mileage will be slightly better but the savings there will be offset by extra 12-13k over the carb variant.

Bottom line: Get carb+ABS

**Harry J** · 02-21-2019, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by ayrus View Post

FI is not worth it. With the proper carb tuning, the bike starts in a single crank and is smooth AF. There is no visible benefit of FI except the emission norms (invisible benefit). The mileage will be slightly better but the savings there will be offset by extra 12-13k over the carb variant.

Bottom line: Get carb+ABS

Thanks for your response buddy.

Me too think the same. But, Carb + Abs is 1k more than FI OTR. 1K is not a big deal, but the performance, cold start, smoothness and mileage advantages of FI is letting me go with FI.

But the same mind thinks ABS is better and I’m not sure about FI service by TVS dealerships. They don’t even know about mandatory ABS rule which will kick in from April.

However, I hope there will not be cold start issues in my locality. I live in Madurai TN.

I should convince myself to go with Carb ABS then.

**ayrus** · 02-21-2019, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by Harry J View Post

Thanks for your response buddy.

Me too think the same. But, Carb + Abs is 1k more than FI OTR. 1K is not a big deal, but the performance, cold start, smoothness and mileage advantages of FI is letting me go with FI.

But the same mind thinks ABS is better and I’m not sure about FI service by TVS dealerships. They don’t even know about mandatory ABS rule which will kick in from April.

However, I hope there will not be cold start issues in my locality. I live in Madurai TN.

I should convince myself to go with Carb ABS then.

Performance: The difference is negligible.
Cold starts: No issues with a perfectly tuned carb.
Smoothness: Keep the carb a bit rich.
Mileage: Seriously?? You wanna buy a 200cc for mileage....

You can buy the FI model. It is just not worth the extra price.

**Harry J** · 02-21-2019, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by ayrus View Post

Performance: The difference is negligible.
Cold starts: No issues with a perfectly tuned carb.
Smoothness: Keep the carb a bit rich.
Mileage: Seriously?? You wanna buy a 200cc for mileage....

You can buy the FI model. It is just not worth the extra price.

Performance : Okay.

Cold start : I will maintain well

Smoothness : I didn’t understand this. (Noob here)

Mileage : That extra 3-5 kms I’m talking about.

Thank you so much for your answer and suggestion. I made up my mind to go with Carb ABS one.

**#bpk** · 02-21-2019, 03:55 PM

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Fi will give more headaches than carburetor [emoji4][emoji4]

**Harry J** · 02-21-2019, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by #bpk View Post

Fi will give more headaches than carburetor [emoji4][emoji4]

Oh my God !!!!

Brother, I’m confused more now.

If FIs are troublemakers, why there are number of happy owners of R15, RS200, Dukes ?

I’m asking this not to mention you as wrong. But I’m curious to know.

I understand FI can’t be treated well by a roadside mechanic, however there might be few and I found a good mechanic friend who will work on FI machines too.

Also I’m telling myself as TVS service people (in the dealership I will book my bike) are not good in working on FI.

So finally I decided to go with Carb + ABS. But your answer made me to think what will the troubles other than service people issue.

Shed some info about troubles of FI.

It will be satisfactory for me to go ahead with Carb abs.

**#bpk** · 02-21-2019, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by Harry J View Post

Oh my God !!!!

Brother, I’m confused more now.

If FIs are troublemakers, why there are number of happy owners of R15, RS200, Dukes ?

I’m asking this not to mention you as wrong. But I’m curious to know.

I understand FI can’t be treated well by a roadside mechanic, however there might be few and I found a good mechanic friend who will work on FI machines too.

Also I’m telling myself as TVS service people (in the dealership I will book my bike) are not good in working on FI.

So finally I decided to go with Carb + ABS. But your answer made me to think what will the troubles other than service people issue.

Shed some info about troubles of FI.

It will be satisfactory for me to go ahead with Carb abs.

Right now, only yamaha svc have the right equipments for diagnosis of fi system, because even their 150cc bikes have fi. Some problems of fi are: engine stalling,improper idle rpm, jerky throttle response, headache of cleaning fi system by a knowledgeable technician, problem of starting if battery voltage is low,if you forget to keep min amt. Of fuel in your bike, fuel pump will damage which will cost a bomb! Better you should consider carb+ abs variant. Because safety is above all !

**S3maphor3** · 02-22-2019, 02:08 AM

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Originally posted by #bpk View Post

Right now, only yamaha svc have the right equipments for diagnosis of fi system, because even their 150cc bikes have fi. Some problems of fi are: engine stalling,improper idle rpm, jerky throttle response, headache of cleaning fi system by a knowledgeable technician, problem of starting if battery voltage is low,if you forget to keep min amt. Of fuel in your bike, fuel pump will damage which will cost a bomb! Better you should consider carb+ abs variant. Because safety is above all !

Fi systems are reliable. Jave u seen a fi problem reported in any of the Japanese bikes.

**Zapps** · 02-22-2019, 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by S3maphor3 View Post

Fi systems are reliable. Jave u seen a fi problem reported in any of the Japanese bikes.

Ofcoz those are reliable systems. But some riders like to have carb, so that if a bike breaks down in the middle of nowhere, one could get it fixed and be on the way.

So, more complicated bikes may pose such a scenario. But, with proper regular maintenance, they are reliable.

**Harry J** · 02-22-2019, 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by S3maphor3 View Post

Fi systems are reliable. Jave u seen a fi problem reported in any of the Japanese bikes.

Yes that is my query.

If I’m getting a R15 or FZ or a Honda product, I won’t be confused. I’ll buy that without a second thought.

But, I’m buying a TVS one and I’m not doubting about their engineering quality. I worry about their service people.

Little talk with the dealership raised my worry to next level. They are not even aware of ABS rule and also they are trying to push a Non ABS one by saying ABS are trouble makers.

So I was thinking twice whether to book a FI or not.

Finally I have decided to go with Carb + ABS, but I was curious to know what are the cons of RTR 200 FI.

**Harry J** · 02-22-2019, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by Zapps View Post

Ofcoz those are reliable systems. But some riders like to have carb, so that if a bike breaks down in the middle of nowhere, one could get it fixed and be on the way.

So, more complicated bikes may pose such a scenario. But, with proper regular maintenance, they are reliable.

Yeah, I can maintain well and I know a good mechanic who works on FI too. He was a chief technician at Bajaj and now he has opened his own work shop and most of his works will be in NS and RS.

So, I can maintain well, but worried about what if TVS service people screw my bike. Because only some dealerships has good technicians in TVS.

Anyway, I hope my decision to go with CARB + ABS will be correct.

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