Re: Buying 2nd bike after CT100B

It is because of how you sit. I had an R15 alongside my P220. R15 came and went but 220 still remains with me. Don't let a random comment bother you mate.
Think like this - Bajaj sells lakhs of bikes every month, within India and outside too.
Nobody of all those people complained that Bajaj bikes are 'NOT BALANCED'.
Just the Pulsar 150 sales numbers is more than the entire Yamaha portfolio sales in a month. [emoji28]

Re: Buying 2nd bike after CT100B

Ok bro. I bought this bike after so much of research so tention ho jati hai yar koi aisa kuch kahta hai to. [emoji1] Though I was curious if he had ridden Avenger and whats his experience. But anyways thanks bro for your response. Good day [emoji4]

Re: Buying 2nd bike after CT100B

No worries bro.
Just learn the bike - how it responds, how it behaves, how it feels.
Do regular servicing and take care of the basics. Maintaining a Bajaj requires attention and not huge chunk of money.

Re: Buying 2nd bike after CT100B

Ola Arnuld, as you know I own both a P220 and CT100B currently, and a couple of inexpensive mods on my P220 has made it more comfortable to ride than my beloved CT100B, but fact is going by your requirement the Gixxer 150 would be the best fit considering the speeds you're intending to do, the RTR's return BS FE whereas the P220 does that and also would be hell to ride at such slow speeds considering its crazy tall gearing. Hence why I'm recommending the Gixxer.

As for the P220, it is a legend on its own terms, PITA when it comes to DIY as the engineers were high on bathing salts when they designed the machine, remove front wheel to remove fairing, remove tank to adjust beam throw. WTH where they thinking!

But the upside of owning the machine is that you get best of all worlds, no compromises anywhere, solidly built machine that would keep running in spite of any abuse you can throw at it. It will definitely leak oil, but it won't stop running. Mine has crossed the 40k mark a while ago and still screams to the redline every time I overtake.

DIY as I said is PITA, too many things have to be taken off, just today I wanted to re-route my AF drain pipe to be more accessible.

For this;



I had to pull out all this and more due to lack of space;



Compared to this my ZMA was a walk in the park, but then P220 wins me over with its highly reasonable spares pricing and stellar spare availability, to this date nothing has come close, hence why I keep repeating, 'Once you go Bajaj, you won't go Back', compared to this every other motorcycle would seem unreasonable, hence why you see many riders sticking on to their P220's in spite of upgrading to other options.

So that's that! Happy motorcycling and ride safe.

Re: Buying 2nd bike after CT100B


Brilliant review Ashwin.

You are right, those things you mentioned about P220 are really PITA. Rgarding Gixxer, I have seen it in person and I liked it for it's compact size and single, not 2 piece, broken seat, dual-discs. I read everywhere that it has oil-seal leakage problem. and only problem with RTR is it's mileage ?

Re: Buying 2nd bike after CT100B

Yeah that was common at a time but then the issue wasn't severe, its just that the rubber grommet at the stator cover would give up prematurely, not much of an issue to be honest, nothing a little bit of TLC can take care of.

If doubtful then you can also look at the FZ though not as fun as it used to be I'd go for a Yamaha simply taking into account their active customer support, best among the Japanese I'd say, just an email is enough for them to come swooping to your rescue in the event the ASC is trying to screw you. The R15S is also an attractive option IMHO, a bit expensive but they've stopped production and it is a just too good a motorcycle to let pass, the FE is spectacular even at triple digit highway speeds.

All 200's for that matter are plagued with abysmal FE, my logic is, if my P220 gives me 30kmpl and a brand new 200 also returns the same FE at highway speeds then why should I bother investing in a 200 when for just about the same amount of money I can get a 220 which is a better overall package comparing features.

I'm talking about realistic FE at highway speeds, no Indian BS to extract maximum FE or any such stupidity involved, as I see some Youtube video of illiterates riding motorcycles at insanely low RPM's in final gear and claiming 60kmpl!

Re: Buying 2nd bike after CT100B

Hello!

It seems that you're interested in RTR 200 4V. As an owner, I can tell you it's great for your requirements but as someone said the only downside is FE. It's not too bad, I get around 35kmpl overall but I can live with it. If you feel it's bad then you should check out 160 4v. Also don't even consider 220 if you're doing city rides, it may have 20cc more than rtr 200 but whoever thinks it's overall a better package than apache 200 has probably never ridden A200. You should take a test ride of these two and you'll find out for yourself.

Re: Buying 2nd bike after CT100B

Hello arnauld,

I have extensively ridden the RTR200. Have done many long rides on it. I have ridden the P220 only once. I will list the pros and cons of both bikes. I guess [MENTION=20978]ashwin[/MENTION]prakas would agree on a few points.

RTR200-

Pros-

1. Good fit and finish.

2. Great ride quality.

3. Super flickable. Feels like an extension of your spine.

4. Eats corners for breakfast.

5. Very refined.

6. Gets slipper clutch and DC abs.

Cons-

1. The only con I feel is the lack of top end power.

With all the above mentioned pros, I always felt something lacking in the RTR200. Then I happened to ride the P220.

P220 pros-

1. Gives immense satisfaction every time you whack open the throttle.

2. Timeless design. It still turns heads and has more street presence than the RTR.

3. very engaging riding experience. Always puts a wide smile on your face every time you accelerate.

4. Has truckloads of character. One of the rare bikes which you look back and admire after every single ride.

5. Has good kit like projector headlamp. Very comfortable too.

Cons-

1. Not so good for cornering.

2. Build quality not so good compared to RTR.

Earlier I would've suggested the RTR 200. With its cornering prowess and ride quality it gives immense PLEASURE. But the P220 provides immense SATISFACTION which the other bikes simply fail to do. BS3 220 is as fast as the RTR and BS4 220 beats the RTR200 hands down in terms of acceleration. Both RTR200 and P220 offer 35-40 km mileage.

The P220 can be compared to the old yamaha RXs and suzuki shogun for its engaging character. Its the reason why it's still selling so much even in 2k19. Now I would any day choose the P220 over a RTR200.

Re: Buying 2nd bike after CT100B

The P220 has better low end torque compared to the RTR. It means it's more rideable in city traffic. On the open highways also it is better that the RTR200. The RTR feels breathless post 100kph while the P220 just marches ahead.

Don't even consider the 150-160cc like gixxer, hornet, FZ, etc. Only the RTR160 4v is an exception. But all of them are grossly overpriced and seriously underpowered compared to the P220, avenger220 and RTR 200.

Re: Buying 2nd bike after CT100B


Akash Indian market is a very different market altogether, even Honda have the success story in India because of the name created by Hero earlier. So with just numbers we cannot justify the product.
Even in cars Suzuki is the market leader but globally their traces are not even there in few countries.

Bajaj bikes have their own set of reliability issues, but maintained properly it can run for an extended period the main advantage of Bajaj bikes is the lower spares cost and in-turn they are the reasons for their reliability issues as well.