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  • #16
    Originally posted by outworldly maniac View Post
    P220
    i am not much aware of it.........
    but being a bajaj i doubt its reliability but as said
    dont know much
    loads of low end torque
    [/B]
    OT:

    dude u yourself say u don't know much then why make the comment every dealer has his pros and cons and reliability i don't think bajaj needs to prove anyone

    @mods:sorry but couldn't resist such false baseless comments.
    Literate people go by specifications.sigpic

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    • #17
      Well thanks for all your input guys ,very much appreciated.
      I got a test drive of the Avenger and well after driving it around the city for a bit i've found that im not the cruiser kind of guy and the bike is not easily flickable in traffic(well atleast for me).
      So my options have come down to:
      R15(good tech,R1 looks, but still having doubts about the low end torque and driving in city conditions.A friend said I'd have to downshift a lot in traffic and buying an R15 for city use is a total waste of this bikes capabilities)
      FZ(good low end torque, good in city conditions but well that pillion seat ugh.During the test drive I had the yamaha salesman as pillion, he did not complain but well i saw the look on his face ,didnt look happy )
      Karizma(seems to be the best of all worlds, great power , nice seat too; but well its 6 years old and still the same,spare part availability issues and that Hritik Roshan ad )
      Still waiting for a Pulsar 220 test drive if i ever get one.Dont know much about that bike yet.
      Hoping to reach a conclusion by the end of this month.
      May your wheels always turn underneath you, your roads unfold before you to new places, and may your heart sing on the breeze as you ride.

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      • #18
        Zma is definetly not a beginner bike. Period.
        Best choice would be the Unicorn. Unless you wanna get something a bit more spicy, then its suzuki GS150.
        Last edited by Akkiben; 06-11-2009, 03:09 PM.
        Kinetic Honda ZX(2001)
        Hero Honda CD100(1997)
        TVS-Suzuki Shogun CAT(1998) Sold :(
        TVS Scooty ES(2001)
        Hero Honda Karizma ZMR(2010)
        RX135 4S(2000)
        RX135 5S(2000)
        IND-SUZUKI AX100(1985)
        LML-VESPA NV(1990) Sold
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Akkiben View Post
          Zma is definetly not a beginner bike. Period.
          Best choice would be the Unicorn. Unless you wanna get something a bit more spicy, then its suzuki GS150.
          It s not the ride, it s the rider that matters

          There are guys who started biking on their R15's even!
          When everything comes ur way, u r in the wrong way ;)

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          • #20
            Originally posted by bioblade View Post
            Well thanks for all your input guys ,very much appreciated.
            I got a test drive of the Avenger and well after driving it around the city for a bit i've found that im not the cruiser kind of guy and the bike is not easily flickable in traffic(well atleast for me).
            So my options have come down to:
            R15(good tech,R1 looks, but still having doubts about the low end torque and driving in city conditions.A friend said I'd have to downshift a lot in traffic and buying an R15 for city use is a total waste of this bikes capabilities)
            FZ(good low end torque, good in city conditions but well that pillion seat ugh.During the test drive I had the yamaha salesman as pillion, he did not complain but well i saw the look on his face ,didnt look happy )
            Karizma(seems to be the best of all worlds, great power , nice seat too; but well its 6 years old and still the same,spare part availability issues and that Hritik Roshan ad )
            Still waiting for a Pulsar 220 test drive if i ever get one.Dont know much about that bike yet.
            Hoping to reach a conclusion by the end of this month.
            Good. Now all that is left is a test drive of the P220. Let us know of your decision and why you took that decision. Post your feelings in the ownership thread.

            P.S:- It is speculated that the new P220 and ZMA-Fi will be coming soon. It is upto you to wait for those or go for the other four bikes. ZMA/R15/FZ/P220(old)
            DoN\'t LivE tO DiE, dIe tO LiVe

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            • #21
              Originally posted by pranay View Post
              Good. Now all that is left is a test drive of the P220. Let us know of your decision and why you took that decision. Post your feelings in the ownership thread.

              P.S:- It is speculated that the new P220 and ZMA-Fi will be coming soon. It is upto you to wait for those or go for the other four bikes. ZMA/R15/FZ/P220(old)
              Dude, how come u've left ur little brother alone??? sounds mean!!I mean the P-200 Is there any specific reason???
              Whenever there is a Rainbow in the sky, I know it's u mastering the art of Cornering. U will always be remembered brother, R.I.P Arun.

              The 5 Speed Restoration
              The Z Restoration


              /2001 Yamaha Rx 135 5 Speed/ 1999 Yamaha RXZ 135/ 2012 Honda Dio/ ?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by bioblade View Post
                Well today a black R15 passed me by and i fell in love. But is it worth the price tag, i mean with p220 and karizma ,being cheaper does the 150cc R15 really stand up to them or would i be stupid buying one?

                Its a lot more technical ahead than any Indian bike in the country today....!

                Is R15 just made for the track and for long drives or is it any good in the city? I read that it lacks low end torque,can this affect city driving .
                Yamaha showroom guys told me it gives 50kmpl but uh well i dont believe them.
                Its a track tool, no 2 ways about it....
                And its true that the low-end torque is not good.....but its taking r15 as a benchmark.....If you compare it wid any other 150cc....its better....!
                The lack of torque would be overshadowed by the way the bike drives...and feels.....
                Expect a mileage of something close to 40kmpl in real r15 type of riding conditions...!


                And is R15 any good for a pillion rider, be it male or female? Dont see any footpeg or guard there.Same for the FZ.
                I cant find an Avenger at all so can anyone tell me its showroom price?

                R15, like all the others, is pretty decent for a pillion rider....
                Avenger is around 73k OTR pune



                Summary : If you can afford the yamaha, do not even think twice....Its the best bike in india....!
                2002 - Pulsar 150 Classic (Still owned)
                2005 - Pulsar 150 Dtsi (Still owned)
                2006 - Eterno (sold)
                2008 - Dio (Owned)
                2009 - Pulsar 220 DTSi

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                • #23
                  @Bioblade: Sorry I didn’t go through the entire thread, but I did read a few posts and I couldn’t find the budget details anywhere.

                  Almost every bike available in the market is a matured product and caters to some different set of requirements. Going by the requirements you have listed even a 100cc bike would do, BUT surely a higher cc bike would be more fun.

                  I completely disagree with classifying a bike as beginners or for experienced.
                  Bike is a relationship that starts after you get the bike and AFTER SALE SERVICES like cost & availability of spare parts & servicing are important factors to be well thought of before hand.

                  Now that you already heard from the Gurus, of all the models you have in mind, go to the respective showrooms and look at them in flesh, then take a test ride. Evaluate each one of the machines against the kind of roads you travel, cost & availability of spare parts & servicing, fuel consumption, amount of traffic, pillion seat comfort etc… anything and everything that could possibly be one of your requirements.

                  Suno Sabki Karo Apne Mann Ki, pick the one that you like the most…
                  I'd rather be riding my motorcycle thinking about God than sitting in church thinking about my motorcycle.
                  Ride often, ride well, have fun.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by insanebiker View Post
                    It s not the ride, it s the rider that matters
                    It matters when one is a noob. In a race its the rider that matters, not the ride. Someone needs to get their facts right.


                    Originally posted by insanebiker View Post
                    There are guys who started biking on their R15's even!
                    There are guys who even started on Hayabusa's!!!! Wanna hear anything better than that.

                    We are here to advice, not expect the unusual...
                    Start out on something manageable and you end up being all the more better later.
                    Kinetic Honda ZX(2001)
                    Hero Honda CD100(1997)
                    TVS-Suzuki Shogun CAT(1998) Sold :(
                    TVS Scooty ES(2001)
                    Hero Honda Karizma ZMR(2010)
                    RX135 4S(2000)
                    RX135 5S(2000)
                    IND-SUZUKI AX100(1985)
                    LML-VESPA NV(1990) Sold
                    TVS-Suzuki Shogun(1994)

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                    • #25
                      As someone else has said, we are all riding puny 100-220cc mopeds in India. Kawa Ninja 250 is considered a beginners bike the world over. Go figure!
                      Your biking tells a lot about the person you are!

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                      • #26
                        RELAX GUYS,

                        You might just scare Bioblade a little too much, I believe we all are saying the same thing but in different ways. It is quite an individualistic thing, everyone starts from somewhere, so lets leave that to Bioblade as far as his First Bike is concerned, I am sure he can figure that out.
                        I'd rather be riding my motorcycle thinking about God than sitting in church thinking about my motorcycle.
                        Ride often, ride well, have fun.

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                        • #27
                          A CBR600 is also considered a good beginner bike as the 250's are mostly ridden by the fairer sex. figured that yet!

                          One's capabilities is what dictates here. Not what the world consider's.
                          Besides the road conditions are different elsewhere in the world than our own roads here.

                          Motorcycle Safety Foundation(MSF) have courses for learners who start on be it 250's or 600's....any such thing that we have in India???.

                          lets stick to what we have here and what best we can make out of it.
                          Amen.
                          Last edited by Akkiben; 06-11-2009, 03:37 PM.
                          Kinetic Honda ZX(2001)
                          Hero Honda CD100(1997)
                          TVS-Suzuki Shogun CAT(1998) Sold :(
                          TVS Scooty ES(2001)
                          Hero Honda Karizma ZMR(2010)
                          RX135 4S(2000)
                          RX135 5S(2000)
                          IND-SUZUKI AX100(1985)
                          LML-VESPA NV(1990) Sold
                          TVS-Suzuki Shogun(1994)

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                          • #28
                            Please can i get some feedback from R15 owners about its city driveabilty and in bad traffic conditions ? Also please shed some light on this low end torque issue, i dont quite understand.
                            Well If not then its P220 vs ZMA.
                            And @Akkiben i test drove a Karizma and i can handle it perfectly well,i dont have much technical knowledge but i used to drive my grandad's old RD350 a lot and i am fine with driving a bike.
                            May your wheels always turn underneath you, your roads unfold before you to new places, and may your heart sing on the breeze as you ride.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Akkiben View Post
                              A CBR600 is also considered a good beginner bike as the 250's are mostly ridden by the fairer sex. figured that yet!

                              One's capabilities is what dictates here. Not what the world consider's.
                              Besides the road conditions are different elsewhere in the world than our own roads here.

                              Motorcycle Safety Foundation(U.S) have courses for learners who start on be it 250's or 600's....any such thing that we have in India???.

                              lets stick to what we have here and what best we can make out of it.
                              Amen.
                              Everything depends on the learner's ability. From all the bikes presently available in India, we can not point out one bike and say that this is not suitable for a newbie. So Bioblade, go ahead and get the Zma if that is your choice. Do not let the talk here scare you. Just remember to respect the bike and ride it carefully initially.

                              One thing is true - a Zma is more likely to get you into trouble than say a 100cc bike. keep that in mind and as I said respect your bike.

                              Edit - I see you are not a newbie, but still the advice holds true for you.

                              R15 low end torque is not that much of a prob, it is manageable - just needs a few extra gear shifts in the city. But the seating position can tire you out. Take a test drive and see.
                              Your biking tells a lot about the person you are!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
                                Everything depends on the learner's ability. From all the bikes presently available in India, we can not point out one bike and say that this is not suitable for a newbie.
                                To be taught by one who knows..is a lot better than having to learn on your own. After this, its upto the individual's capabilities.

                                Considering the power all manufactured bikes here in India make, one could say these bikes fall below even the Beginner bike category elsewhere in the world.

                                Power of a bike is not the only thing to be considered. The bike's weight and one physical capabilities go a long way in deciding on a bike.

                                Karizma is a big bike (Indian Standards) and is quite heavy, the handling does require some effort, keeping this in mind go ahead and make your decision @bioblade.

                                P.S

                                I've been riding my Karizma for the past 5 yrs now, mostly touring. 45,000kms covered till date.
                                Last edited by Akkiben; 06-11-2009, 03:58 PM.
                                Kinetic Honda ZX(2001)
                                Hero Honda CD100(1997)
                                TVS-Suzuki Shogun CAT(1998) Sold :(
                                TVS Scooty ES(2001)
                                Hero Honda Karizma ZMR(2010)
                                RX135 4S(2000)
                                RX135 5S(2000)
                                IND-SUZUKI AX100(1985)
                                LML-VESPA NV(1990) Sold
                                TVS-Suzuki Shogun(1994)

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