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**Joel** · 10-23-2008, 08:49 PM

The victor 110 does not race anymore. Production is stopped.
The only Victor series now in racing is the Victor Edge 125. They are fast man and handle great. They clock the speeds of a road-going apache 150. They top the 125cc class.

**yuv_biKING** · 10-24-2008, 02:47 AM

I feel, Pulsars are Torque monsters and they are not designed for track lovers, they are for street kings who likes to show off what they got on the streets.... Being a city rider i feel R15 and RTR stays way back from me... The extra mid range in pulsars plays a cruisial role here...

PS: The above statements are purely based on my personal experience and driving skill, hence they may not be applicable to other riders of similar class.

**riazmomin** · 10-24-2008, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by Joel View Post

However the P220 and P200 are better handlers than the previous lot. Thanks to the revised suspension and steering modifications.
However, when you hit a corner....they stand no chance.
The best 5 handling bikes in the country in an order are,
*R15
*RTR
*CBZ X and CBZ
*Apache 150
*karizma

Its even more surprising that a few 125cc bikes outclass the pulsars in the handling department. The yamaha gladiator, Victor, Stunner etc are a few.

Hey buddy

Where will you place Unicorn among the above 5?? I guess CBZ-X and Unicorn are more or less have similar handling characterstics.

**EL LOCO DIABLO** · 10-24-2008, 08:45 AM

Should definitely be between the RTR and the CBZ X and CBZ, because i read this somewhere that a racer uses a CBZ, and according to him he considers the CBZ heavy around the track (I think his name is Jebin or something can't remember), but the Unicorn except for the soft engine tune has immense potential due to it's dynamics (even the current CBZ X has it's engine from the Unicorn, only the carb and setting is different), i think there's comparo between Apache, Unicorn and another bike in some magazine (either BI or Overdrive cause one of it's testers were Aspi Bhatena) and Unicorn was ultimately voted as the best dynamics around track, When i rode it, it felt absolutely neutral and balanced however hard you flicked it

**riazmomin** · 10-24-2008, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by EL LOCO DIABLO View Post

Should definitely be between the RTR and the CBZ X and CBZ, because i read this somewhere that a racer uses a CBZ, and according to him he considers the CBZ heavy around the track (I think his name is Jebin or something can't remember), but the Unicorn except for the soft engine tune has immense potential due to it's dynamics (even the current CBZ X has it's engine from the Unicorn, only the carb and setting is different), i think there's comparo between Apache, Unicorn and another bike in some magazine (either BI or Overdrive cause one of it's testers were Aspi Bhatena) and Unicorn was ultimately voted as the best dynamics around track, When i rode it, it felt absolutely neutral and balanced however hard you flicked it

When comparing with weights, A stock Unicorn(145) is heavier than A Stock CBZ Xtreme(143). The advantage over Xtreme for Uni may be the suspension setup and the concentrated center of gravity when compared to Xtreme, And even the difference in the unsprung weights of the both bikes.
But still Xtreme still feels as planted as Unicorn on the corners, May the pace at which the enter and exit the corners is different. And again Xtreme has better power at higher RPMs and Mid Range, Where as Unicorn has the edge at lower RPM and mid range.

I agree with Joel in the list of best handlers, May be Unicorn is just above CBZ & CBZX.

**EL LOCO DIABLO** · 10-24-2008, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by riazmomin View Post

When comparing with weights, A stock Unicorn(145) is heavier than A Stock CBZ Xtreme(143). The advantage over Xtreme for Uni may be the suspension setup and the concentrated center of gravity when compared to Xtreme, And even the difference in the unsprung weights of the both bikes.
But still Xtreme still feels as planted as Unicorn on the corners, May the pace at which the enter and exit the corners is different. And again Xtreme has better power at higher RPMs and Mid Range, Where as Unicorn has the edge at lower RPM and mid range.

I agree with Joel in the list of best handlers, May be Unicorn is just above CBZ & CBZX.

Hmmm........ i've never ridden the CBZ X maybe it''s time i rode that too, but like you said the power delivery for the CBZ X being better at higher rpm's is mainly contributed due to it's tuning, and am sure the Uni can be made to do the same thing with a minor mod here and there, and this would really put a gap between Uni and the CBZ X due to Uni's other advantages like the balanced suspension and and setup

**sai_ace** · 10-24-2008, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by EL LOCO DIABLO View Post

...i think there's comparo between Apache, Unicorn and another bike in some magazine (either BI or Overdrive cause one of it's testers were Aspi Bhatena) and Unicorn was ultimately voted as the best dynamics around track, ...

@ELD and the others

I dint quite get the logic of that test especially considering the Apache had posted the fastest times and won quite comfortably..isnt it all that matters on a track??

Track experts...your opinions please.....

**kriss** · 10-24-2008, 10:26 AM

whats happening here guys... instead of R15 track meet discussions i see... apache's rtr's, victors, uni, pulsar, cbz x .....

**santoosh** · 10-24-2008, 10:26 AM

awwww...
wot a mistake i did selling my pulsar , having it for 4 years and a lac plus kms , i never realised that they were known for handling.
@joel
did u atleast get to know????

Im hunting 4 a buy-back now

Originally posted by me is rossi View Post

@all ....i believe, the new ug3 has low ground clearance than the v1 and v2 hence the 180 is damn good at corners exceeding 90....you need to get the suspensions adjusted to softest setting...and the rear is just perrfect...arrey i have pushed it above 90 in ghats yaar! you shoukd see the RSA guys in mutha ghat(correct me if am wrong) !.. the low and the mid-range torque(in the stock) makes it fly to 90, hence leaning out of the corner is fast...I believe its not about the ride its about the rider...obviously coz, the angle,speed, and position of your body wont be decided by whatis the rebound rate of your bikes suspension, but purely by your skills. the pulsars are known for handling..

@el loco--"i always had a throey in my head that a heavier bike will ground in a corner better due to it's mass, but both the R15 and the RTR crushed that theory to the bone, is it any coincidence that both have such a low centre of gravity (relative to others)?"

thats a very dumb theory, considering the kinda talks in your posts..obviously lower the centre of gravity, better the cornering!!! whats that gotta do with weight?? the F1 cars work on the same logic, extraordinarily low, cornering above 200!! very light...

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**SKSy_Biker** · 10-24-2008, 10:41 AM

Guys can we get back to the topic now?

**riazmomin** · 10-24-2008, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by EL LOCO DIABLO View Post

Hmmm........ i've never ridden the CBZ X maybe it''s time i rode that too, but like you said the power delivery for the CBZ X being better at higher rpm's is mainly contributed due to it's tuning, and am sure the Uni can be made to do the same thing with a minor mod here and there, and this would really put a gap between Uni and the CBZ X due to Uni's other advantages like the balanced suspension and and setup

If Uni can be tuned, Then Even CBZ-X can be.

. Any how. Agree with you that Uni always has edge over CBZ-X. I have owned CBZ-X and thorough rides on Uni too.

If I am not wrong, Xtreme has bigger jet size and different crank setup when compared to Uni. Experts Correct me please.

Originally posted by kriss View Post

whats happening here guys... instead of R15 track meet discussions i see... apache's rtr's, victors, uni, pulsar, cbz x .....

No more OT's now.

**wonderboy_tm** · 10-24-2008, 10:43 AM

santa + 1 ^^

i never knew this ........... LMAO

**EL LOCO DIABLO** · 10-24-2008, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by SKSy_Biker View Post

Guys can we get back to the topic now?

Originally posted by kriss View Post

whats happening here guys... instead of R15 track meet discussions i see... apache's rtr's, victors, uni, pulsar, cbz x .....

Oops sorry guy's got carried away, but it's unfair to brand this OT

Originally posted by riazmomin View Post

If Uni can be tuned, Then Even CBZ-X can be.

. Any how. Agree with you that Uni always has edge over CBZ-X. I have owned CBZ-X and thorough rides on Uni too.

If I am not wrong, Xtreme has bigger jet size and different crank setup when compared to Uni. Experts Correct me please.

Yes that is true, man i'm really raring to ride a CBZ and a CBZ X right now, as i heard it the CBZ not only has a bigger jet set-up but also a different carb, so experts plese clarify this too

**mithun.08** · 10-25-2008, 05:35 AM

As soon as we entered the track around we pulled our cameras and went near the C1, met he Chennai Xbhpians.. as i was seeing at the C1 i saw some familiar race suit with Shoie helmet.. That was Killer

^^ Sorry for the blurred image you were too fast for my camera

Vivek for Team Yamaha (Red bike)

Joel, the best shot i could get

Some body builder, finished 3rd in Group C

Our Mod in action

Random pics

Dont know what we can call this?

ASPI

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Before lunch

After lunch

Missed the race

My next tyre

The FZZ

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**kriss** · 10-25-2008, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by mithun.08 View Post

Before lunch

Whao... somany guys for lunch... all xbhpians ?? then i met only a few..

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