The Official Pune Offline Meet(G2G) Thread

[shrinathrao]

Putting in semi-synth or synthetic oil is not recommended in running-in period.

BHAI, As per discussion yesterday which i had with utsav he told me that the manual says semi synthetic oil is a compulsion and i think his running in period is already over and his bike is due for second servicing.


@DK - Which archive year was this snap? Was it NCC Army wing?

[ROCKRZ]

Putting in semi-synth or synthetic oil is not recommended in running-in period.

I agree with vishwas... Technically, Synthetic oil is not recomended unless you have crossed 4000-5000 kms on bike....

[Alibaba]

Putting in semi-synth or synthetic oil is not recommended in running-in period.

I agree with vishwas... Technically, Synthetic oil is not recomended unless you have crossed 4000-5000 kms on bike....

Vishwaas and Rockrzz: I have also heard the same from various people to switch to synthetic after 5000 kms. But I don't get the reason behind them. Anyone here know why such a recommendation is given. I believe all the big bikes come with synthetic oil and need synthetic oil for correct functioning. Correct me if I am wrong.

[satyenpoojary]

Blah blah blah and blah...
Switch to the YamaLube which is semi synth and sold for the R15....

Let me know how it felt!

[shrinathrao]

Blah blah blah and blah...
Switch to the YamaLube which is semi synth and sold for the R15....

Let me know how it felt!

You took my words which i was about to tell utsav yesterday to try the R15 oil, but i dont have experience with RTR so told him to have a word with you or i would be responsible for a engine seize .

[antz.bin]

Vishwaas and Rockrzz: I have also heard the same from various people to switch to synthetic after 5000 kms. But I don't get the reason behind them. Anyone here know why such a recommendation is given. I believe all the big bikes come with synthetic oil and need synthetic oil for correct functioning. Correct me if I am wrong.

The reason behind not using FS oil before 5000km and making the first oil change at 500km is similarly influenced. As we all know, however precise may the manufacturing process be, in a new engine, which is still running-in metal shavings tend to shave out of the piston/cylinder and get mixed with the engine oil. Using such oil for extended periods of time will do more harm than good. Hence the first recommended oil change is around 500-750km.

If.. during such period, we behave like rich idiots and use engine oils which cost 2(SS)/4(FS) times the money of a regular mineral oil.. we are welcome to do so by choice as it is our own money which we are wasting. Even though the drain intervals of such oils is comparatively (much) higher than regular mineral oils.. the higher drain interval is basically of not much use because the oil itself will become unusable due to the high amount of metal shavings from the new engine. This is why... in the interest of economy and performance, the oil change schedule regularly recommended for a P220 (as an example on the P220 ownership thread) are as follows

Odometer :: Oil Type of new oil
500 :: Mineral (Drain interval = 1000)
1500 :: Mineral
2500 :: Semi Synthetic (Drain interval = 2000-2500)
5000 :: Fully Synthetic (Drain interval = 5000-8000)

Oil change intervals on other bikes may be different but this schedule is something most P220 owners on xBHP follow for its smooth transition to Fully synthetic engine oil with minimum excess wasted funds.

[satyenpoojary]

The reason behind not using FS oil before 5000km and making the first oil change at 500km is similarly influenced. As we all know, however precise may the manufacturing process be, in a new engine, which is still running-in metal shavings tend to shave out of the piston/cylinder and get mixed with the engine oil. Using such oil for extended periods of time will do more harm than good. Hence the first recommended oil change is around 500-750km.

If.. during such period, we behave like rich idiots and use engine oils which cost 2(SS)/4(FS) times the money of a regular mineral oil.. we are welcome to do so by choice as it is our own money which we are wasting. Even though the drain intervals of such oils is comparatively (much) higher than regular mineral oils.. the higher drain interval is basically of not much use because the oil itself will become unusable due to the high amount of metal shavings from the new engine. This is why... in the interest of economy and performance, the oil change schedule regularly recommended for a P220 (as an example on the P220 ownership thread) are as follows

Odometer :: Oil Type of new oil
500 :: Mineral (Drain interval = 1000)
1500 :: Mineral
2500 :: Semi Synthetic (Drain interval = 2000-2500)
5000 :: Fully Synthetic (Drain interval = 5000-8000)

Oil change intervals on other bikes may be different but this schedule is something most P220 owners on xBHP follow for its smooth transition to Fully synthetic engine oil with minimum excess wasted funds.

+1 and to add to that, the FS behaves differently under high temprature as compared to the M or the SS. During run in you would WANT to let the Mineral oil become thinner (as compared to the FS) and let the mechanical motion smoothen out the machinery. A more viscous oil will make it a tad bit difficult and will actually prolong the running in purpose

and that blah blah wasnt to ridicule anyone. My apologize if it seemed like that. Too much to do so in short pardon me

[nishant220]

Odometer :: Oil Type of new oil
500 :: Mineral (Drain interval = 1000)
1500 :: Mineral
2500 :: Semi Synthetic (Drain interval = 2000-2500)
5000 :: Fully Synthetic (Drain interval = 5000-8000)

Nice info antz.bin bhai... in 2-3 days i will be hitting 1500Km.. need to change the oil which i will do myself.. Please tell me which company oil should i go for (20W50)...

will buy one from Baner Road itself... office is squeezing into my biking time..

[antz.bin]

Nice info antz.bin bhai... in 2-3 days i will be hitting 1500Km.. need to change the oil which i will do myself.. Please tell me which company oil should i go for (20W50)...

will buy one from Baner Road itself... office is squeezing into my biking time..

List of oils which you can use on a P220 is given in one of the 3 P220 related links in my signature. I will not tell you which one so that you go and read all three .

@Others The correct place to ask such questions are the respective ownership threads / engine oils thread where people more experienced than me may answer your queries even better than I just did. In effect.. this was all OT ..

So.. Coming back to topic.. G2G Kab hai?
& And where are the CSS wala people? Did they come back yet?

[Alibaba]

The reason behind not using FS oil before 5000km and making the first oil change at 500km is similarly influenced. As we all know, however precise may the manufacturing process be, in a new engine, which is still running-in metal shavings tend to shave out of the piston/cylinder and get mixed with the engine oil. Using such oil for extended periods of time will do more harm than good. Hence the first recommended oil change is around 500-750km.

If.. during such period, we behave like rich idiots and use engine oils which cost 2(SS)/4(FS) times the money of a regular mineral oil.. we are welcome to do so by choice as it is our own money which we are wasting. Even though the drain intervals of such oils is comparatively (much) higher than regular mineral oils.. the higher drain interval is basically of not much use because the oil itself will become unusable due to the high amount of metal shavings from the new engine. This is why... in the interest of economy and performance, the oil change schedule regularly recommended for a P220 (as an example on the P220 ownership thread) are as follows

Odometer :: Oil Type of new oil
500 :: Mineral (Drain interval = 1000)
1500 :: Mineral
2500 :: Semi Synthetic (Drain interval = 2000-2500)
5000 :: Fully Synthetic (Drain interval = 5000-8000)

Oil change intervals on other bikes may be different but this schedule is something most P220 owners on xBHP follow for its smooth transition to Fully synthetic engine oil with minimum excess wasted funds.

+1 and to add to that, the FS behaves differently under high temprature as compared to the M or the SS. During run in you would WANT to let the Mineral oil become thinner (as compared to the FS) and let the mechanical motion smoothen out the machinery. A more viscous oil will make it a tad bit difficult and will actually prolong the running in purpose

and that blah blah wasnt to ridicule anyone. My apologize if it seemed like that. Too much to do so in short pardon me

Thanks a lot for the explanation guys

So theoretically, FS can be used on a new engine. But the recommendation is to not do so.

@Anant: I believe you have completed 20000+ kms on your 220. What engine oil are you using? Switched to SS/FS or sticking to Mineral? Recommendations?

I used Motul SS during my last service and the engine was super smooth for a few days. The only issue is the 220 needs 1200 ml of oil and for that we need 2 cans So I used 1000 ml SS + 200 ml of Mineral oil from Bajaj-PBK.

EDIT: Just read Anant's post that he made at the exact same time instance Have already read through those links. Please recommend what you found good

[niks_devil666]

CSS Experience G2G on Wednesday

ALL,

Lets have a g2g at The Moto Cafe on Wednesday to hear about the experiences of the CSS trainees/riders.

[utsavchs]

Ok. I got it. But this is what the SVC guys. TVS TRU4 Premium Engine Oil as per their statement when I visited them and had a talk with the supervisor.

This is what I found on the web about it: TVS TRU4 Premium Engine Oil

Please suggest what to do now? I am really out of ideas. My bike ODO: 1700kms.
Last Oil change: 690kms.

Current performance related Issues: Low power output on 1st and 2nd gears.
Physical Issues: Tyre Malfunction adding to mis-alignment as rear tyre is jumping at high speeds at 87+ (told by SVC guys)

[ROCKRZ]

the second reason

The reason behind not using FS oil before 5000km and making the first oil change at 500km is similarly influenced. As we all know, however precise may the manufacturing process be, in a new engine, which is still running-in metal shavings tend to shave out of the piston/cylinder and get mixed with the engine oil. Using such oil for extended periods of time will do more harm than good. Hence the first recommended oil change is around 500-750km.

If.. during such period, we behave like rich idiots and use engine oils which cost 2(SS)/4(FS) times the money of a regular mineral oil.. we are welcome to do so by choice as it is our own money which we are wasting. Even though the drain intervals of such oils is comparatively (much) higher than regular mineral oils.. the higher drain interval is basically of not much use because the oil itself will become unusable due to the high amount of metal shavings from the new engine. This is why... in the interest of economy and performance, the oil change schedule regularly recommended for a P220 (as an example on the P220 ownership thread) are as follows

Odometer :: Oil Type of new oil
500 :: Mineral (Drain interval = 1000)
1500 :: Mineral
2500 :: Semi Synthetic (Drain interval = 2000-2500)
5000 :: Fully Synthetic (Drain interval = 5000-8000)

Oil change intervals on other bikes may be different but this schedule is something most P220 owners on xBHP follow for its smooth transition to Fully synthetic engine oil with minimum excess wasted funds.

YOU BUGGER.... you stole my words... lol

the second reason for not using synthetic is this....

The synthetic oil is not recomended for the initial kilometers cos it drastically reduces the wear and tear of engine.. this may seem to be advantageous but it isnt.... the reason is a phenomenon called as pitting...

when a gear is machined, the teeth profile is not very smooth cos it is designed to be very hard. you must have heard the saying "diamond cuts a diamond"... same is used here.. when the set of gear is new, it tends to wear out these imperfections in the surfaces (and thus get polished) when it is in operation. but to carry away the heat and to prevent excessive wear, mineral oil is used so that the wear and tear does take place but slowly. now if you switch to synthetic, it reduces the wear to an extent that thepolishing does not occur, untill the oil gets old... basically, you are just delaying the wear... so you might be wondering that how is it bad if you are delaying the wearing out of you engine? now comes the second part...

The engine in operation heats up and the material of the gears gradually softens after time due to a process called as annealing & creep.. so the later the wear occurs, the more damage you are causing to the engine.. hence, it is always better if the first 4000 kms (which is approximately 2% of total engine life i.e 1.5 lakh kms) are done as specified by the manufacturer...

btw, this is also the reason why run-in of the engine is very important... if you use the bike bike hard initially, the rough gear surfaces indent each other and cause excessive wear and tear and reduces the life of engine. so in the interest of gearbox life, it is better not to rip a bike for the first 4000 kms and to use the stock oil...
happy riding...

[trustvishwas]

ALL,

Lets have a g2g at The Moto Cafe on Wednesday to hear about the experiences of the CSS trainees/riders.

Please reconfirm with those CSS trainees/riders whether they are ok with the date.

If it is, all the attendees are requested to wear raincoats or carry umbrellas since you will be drenched with biking gyan.

(I am not saying it, some torquey guy said it in last G2G)

[ashtorque]

If it is, all the attendees are requested to wear raincoats or carry umbrellas since you will be drenched with biking gyan.

(I am not saying it, some torquey guy said it in last G2G)

I advised life jacket ...Lets not underestimate the magnitude of gyan that is coming to noobs like us...err Me.