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icemang · 02-07-2012, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chicmagnet

Wish 25k was possible...that would be possible by: loading bike on train + sleeper class travel both ways which would save up considerable costs!

Though I really want to ride up all the way!

Thanks for the break-up

. Now this helps. Do have all the riding gear, camera gear and luggage so that should help in reducing costs further

.

Riding up all the way is going to take you to a point of exhaustion precisely when you need to be the most energetic - the start of the climb after Jammu.

Add to that the vast difference in temperatures between the plains and mountains. I'll tell you my experience with that later - it is NOT FUNNY AT ALL. So, within 48 hours, your system shifts from shedding water for perspiration (to keep you cool at 40 degrees plus) to conserving water due to low temperatures. Plays tricks on the system which are best avoided.

Pune to Jammu is 2007 kms (G Maps). Say your bike does about 40 kms/litre, you will burn approx 50 lits of fuel costing about Rs 4000 even before the strip proper starts. III AC + bike on train, both ways should be lesser than that. Even if it is a bit more than 4K, think about the a)comfort for bike and rider, and b) the time saved.

the nightfox · 02-08-2012, 10:09 PM

Good to see so many souls wanting to get Leh'd this yr

I am one such eager soul who had this dream last year, but had to postpone the trip as I thought I'd experiment by going to a different place in 2011 and keep the Leh trip for this year. The objective was to understand all the nuances of a long trip. I did go on a loooooooong trip (around 2500kms in a span of 15 days) to the North-East and Bhutan in the month of October, 2011. As is obvious it was a wonderful learning experience and I think I am ready for the mighty Himalayan terrain this yr

. Though I have gained some knowledge/experience on the do's and dont's of such trips, there are still few questions/issues for which I'd need answers for.

1. Temperature and Engine Console safety:

Is it safe do this trip on a sports bike (Pulsar 180-mine) with a carburetor engine??

I never had any problem with my bike throughout the Bhutan trip. However, I read somewhere that extreme temperature fluctuations/Water crossings might affect a carburetor console as it takes in air from the outside. Chances are that the bike's ignition might seize in low temperatures and the bike wouldn't start. My bike only has a self start and with so much luggage we'd be carrying on our rear during such trips "clutch starting" will also be all the more difficult. Now is this a real concern?? Is there any modifications that one can do to avoid such problem??

Wanted to know this early as if this is a real concern, I'd definitely not mind getting a new Fuel Injected-sealed console. (I was also a little eager to know which would be the best bike to do the Leh trip??)

2. Ride Comfort

The second biggest concern during my previous trip was the ride comfort. Almost around 80% of the 2500kms was in the hilly terrain, and in no/not so good roads. I did not have any trouble for the first 4-5 days after which it became really uncomfortable. I picked up this weird pain in my right ear which I felt only when I rode the bike and the pain would vanish the moment I stopped. Thinking that the pain was because of my helmet I tried various ways like stuffing tissues inside but it never stopped. As days passed by the pain slowly shifted till my spine and at the end of 15 days I felt it throughout my back and also in both my ears. Now is this normal or is this because of the bike?? Would I have felt any better if I had ridden a bike with an upright seating posture??
The other issue I faced was with the balance of the bike. I had the IRC tubeless tyres that comes with the bike. The tire's offered very little grip and skidded whenever there was a puddle of water or even gravels of small stones and pebbles. I suffered when I fell badly in the middle of the trip and almost broke my knee (rode with a broken leg for around 1200kms which was really agonizing ). Much to be blamed was my stupidity of not wearing any knee protection but the fall inevitable and it was mainly because of the bike's balance. Now that the Leh terrain is very harsh and with such rash road conditions can someone suggest what is the best way to go abt this??

aatifs · 02-08-2012, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the nightfox

Good to see so many souls wanting to get Leh'd this yr

I am one such eager soul who had this dream last year, but had to postpone the trip last yr as I thought I'd experiment by going to a different place in 2011 and keep the Leh trip for this year. The objective was to understand all the nuances of a long trip. I did go on a looong trip (around 2500kms in a span of 15 days) to the North-East and Bhutan in the month of October, 2011. As is obvious it was a wonderful learning experience and I think I am ready for the mighty Himalayan terrain this yr

. Though I have gained some knowledge on the do's and dont's of such trips, there are still few questions for which I'd need answers for.Following are the reasons why this question is bugging me so much:

1. Temperature and Engine Console safety:

Is it safe do this trip on a sports bike (Pulsar 180-mine) with a carburetor engine??

I never had any problem with my bike throughout the Bhutan trip. However, I read somewhere that extreme temperature fluctuations/Water crossings might affect a carburetor console as it takes in air from the outside. Chances are that the bike's ignition might seize in low temperatures and the bike wouldn't start. My bike only has a self start and with so much luggage that we'd be carrying on our rear during such trips "clutch starting" will be all the more difficult. Now is this a real concern?? Is there any modifications that one can do to avoid such problem??

Wanted an answer quickly as if this is a real concern, I'd definitely not mind selling this one off and go for a new Fuel Injected-sealed console. (In that case, I also want to know which would be the best bike to do the Leh trip??)

2. Ride Comfort

The second biggest concern during my previous trip was the ride comfort. Almost around 80% of the 2500kms was in the hilly terrain, and in not so good roads. I did not have any trouble for the first 4-5 days after which it became really uncomfortable. I picked up this weird pain in my right ear which I felt only when I rode the bike and the pain would vanish the moment I stopped. Thinking that the pain was because of my helmet I tried various ways like stuffing tissues inside but it never worked. As days passed by the pain slowly shifted to my spine and at the end of 15 days I felt it throughout my back and also in my ears. Now is this normal or is because of the bike?? Will I feel any better if I had ridden a bike with an upright seating posture??
The other issue I faced was with the balance of the bike. I had the IRC tubeless tyres that comes with the bike. The tire's offered very little grip and skidded whenever there was a puddle of water or even gravels of small stones and pebbles. I suffered when I fell badly in the middle of the trip and almost broke my knee, rode with a broken leg for around 1200kms which was really agonizing Much to be blamed was my stupidity of not wearing any knee protection but the fall was mainly because of the bike's balance. Now that the Leh terrain is very harsh and with such rash road conditions can someone suggest what is the best way to go abt this??

PS: My apologies if this post is a little out of sorts to the current discussion. I haven't gone thru the other posts in this thread for the lack of time.

hi your ear pain is because of your helmet if it not of good quality or size of your head back pain is because not porper seat you can use some extra seat under you and always use full gear on ride you never know what gone happend next shreet is fill with full of idiots
*R.E. is best for leh trip but can also use bike with mono shocks it will give you more comfrot on off road like yamaha fz,honda unicorn

icemang · 02-09-2012, 09:07 AM

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About your ear ache. Some reasons are

----- A poorly fitted helmet which presses on the ear itself rather than enveloping it in the small recess provided AND/OR

------ An issue in your cervical vertebra - could be the initial stages of spondilytis, needs to be checked to be sure AND/OR

------ Your rear suspension is set too hard and that is causing shocks to your neck vertebra leading to the pain esp since you mentioned that the pain spread to your shoulder and back.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To get back on topic, your P-180 will have no problems. Read up a little on carbs and EFIs and you will realise that both systems intake air from outside; it is the way the fuel and air is treated that is the difference. You will need to lean the mixture at higher altitudes, that's all. No hassle. You will have to acquire significantly more knowledge on bikes to make your journey as potentially trouble-free as possible - mechanics are not available everywhere so DIY is the slogan.

The Pulsar series has among the best tyres in India. Sorry to say so, but it seems that your riding style needs to be changed. You need to read the road better and accordingly adapt yourself to changing circumstances - rain, snow, mud, water etc.

Visit yogeshsarkar.com and write to this chap. He has done Leh not once, not twice but THREE times on his P-180.

the nightfox · 02-09-2012, 11:23 AM

@aatifs:
Thanks for that tip mate. I'll surely get one new for this trip

(any online store u know of??).

@Icemang: Thanks for the prompt response sir. I will definitely look into my riding posture and learn some mechanics too. One more issue I forgot to mention abt the tyre was that when on my previous trip, I had to ride in this terrible stretch of around 20-30kms full of huge rocks and stones. At one point my front tyre skidded and a medium sized rock hit my alloy rim with a big bang. I stopped to see if it has done any damage but nothing was visible. I carried on and on that evening I found out that the air pressure of the front wheel had gone down drastically. I checked for any puncture but nothing was visible. I then spotted the air leak (using some soap solution) near the juncture between the tyre and the rim. To make things worse there was one more similar leak on the other side. I could not think of a solution for this and hence had to fill up air then and there for the rest of the trip which again was a little troublesome. I did not want to ride with low pressure tyre's as it's not safe, plus the FE would drop drastically.

Now how can one handle this type of situation?
The local mechanic now has changed the tyre into a tubed one. That has taken care of the problem but my question is whether or not, tubed tyres are better option for such rides?

aatifs · 02-09-2012, 01:20 PM

Hi there for rocky road and offroading tubeless tyre not good if you damage your alloy wheel you lose air better to carry extra tube with you we got same problem with my brother bike in our one trip if seen motocross,offroading bikes have spokes wheel tube tyers
for online shopping check hoodwinds leh 2012 planner log he mention some store

icemang · 02-10-2012, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the nightfox

@aatifs:
Thanks for that tip mate. I'll surely get one new for this trip

(any online store u know of??).

@Icemang: Thanks for the prompt response sir. I will definitely look into my riding posture and learn some mechanics too. One more issue I forgot to mention abt the tyre was that when on my previous trip, I had to ride in this terrible stretch of around 20-30kms full of huge rocks and stones. At one point my front tyre skidded and a medium sized rock hit my alloy rim with a big bang. I stopped to see if it has done any damage but nothing was visible. I carried on and on that evening I found out that the air pressure of the front wheel had gone down drastically. I checked for any puncture but nothing was visible. I then spotted the air leak (using some soap solution) near the juncture between the tyre and the rim. To make things worse there was one more similar leak on the other side. I could not think of a solution for this and hence had to fill up air then and there for the rest of the trip which again was a little troublesome. I did not want to ride with low pressure tyre's as it's not safe, plus the FE would drop drastically.

Now how can one handle this type of situation?
The local mechanic now has changed the tyre into a tubed one. That has taken care of the problem but my question is whether or not, tubed tyres are better option for such rides?

About the air leaking. Your rim is definitely bent and would need to be change if you intend to use tubeless tyres. Else, your mechanic's mechanism

of putting in a tube is a cheaper alternative.

See, tubed and tubeless tyres have their merits and demerits, let's not get into that issue here on the Leh thread. Enough to say that IMO, tubed tyres are more easily maintained in places like Leh. Some additional tools needed but peace of mind; rim bent or not, the tyre does not lose pressure.

ramamoorthyh · 02-11-2012, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chicmagnet

Wish 25k was possible...that would be possible by: loading bike on train + sleeper class travel both ways which would save up considerable costs!

Though I really want to ride up all the way!

Hi

You can complete the riding trip within 30K or even less..I have made it in 2011. Riders from Delhi are fortunate as they don't have to carry things in train.

The Leh 2012 Planner

In case you have riding gear/tools/spares, you can travel in train up to Jammu for going via Srinagar route or upto Chandigarh, if going via Manali route.

All the best..ride safe..

ramamoorthy

ps: Beevi eventually won the argument..like every time

I am taking my family to Leh this year..myself wifey and son along with three other colleagues and their family flying to Leh in this May 2012..

these are from my last years ride : https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...0332194&type=3

nsengg · 02-14-2012, 04:05 PM

Icemag.... I may join in too.

icemang · 02-14-2012, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsengg

Icemag.... I may join in too.

You are always welcome. Just check the thread from the start to get into and stay in the groove, update your details in the Members G Doc and prepare yourself mentally and physically, that's all

02-08-2012, 10:09 PM	#192 (permalink)
the nightfox Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chennai, Tamilnadu Posts: 13	Need some advice! Good to see so many souls wanting to get Leh'd this yr I am one such eager soul who had this dream last year, but had to postpone the trip as I thought I'd experiment by going to a different place in 2011 and keep the Leh trip for this year. The objective was to understand all the nuances of a long trip. I did go on a loooooooong trip (around 2500kms in a span of 15 days) to the North-East and Bhutan in the month of October, 2011. As is obvious it was a wonderful learning experience and I think I am ready for the mighty Himalayan terrain this yr. Though I have gained some knowledge/experience on the do's and dont's of such trips, there are still few questions/issues for which I'd need answers for. 1. Temperature and Engine Console safety: Is it safe do this trip on a sports bike (Pulsar 180-mine) with a carburetor engine?? I never had any problem with my bike throughout the Bhutan trip. However, I read somewhere that extreme temperature fluctuations/Water crossings might affect a carburetor console as it takes in air from the outside. Chances are that the bike's ignition might seize in low temperatures and the bike wouldn't start. My bike only has a self start and with so much luggage we'd be carrying on our rear during such trips "clutch starting" will also be all the more difficult. Now is this a real concern?? Is there any modifications that one can do to avoid such problem?? Wanted to know this early as if this is a real concern, I'd definitely not mind getting a new Fuel Injected-sealed console. (I was also a little eager to know which would be the best bike to do the Leh trip??) 2. Ride Comfort The second biggest concern during my previous trip was the ride comfort. Almost around 80% of the 2500kms was in the hilly terrain, and in no/not so good roads. I did not have any trouble for the first 4-5 days after which it became really uncomfortable. I picked up this weird pain in my right ear which I felt only when I rode the bike and the pain would vanish the moment I stopped. Thinking that the pain was because of my helmet I tried various ways like stuffing tissues inside but it never stopped. As days passed by the pain slowly shifted till my spine and at the end of 15 days I felt it throughout my back and also in both my ears. Now is this normal or is this because of the bike?? Would I have felt any better if I had ridden a bike with an upright seating posture?? The other issue I faced was with the balance of the bike. I had the IRC tubeless tyres that comes with the bike. The tire's offered very little grip and skidded whenever there was a puddle of water or even gravels of small stones and pebbles. I suffered when I fell badly in the middle of the trip and almost broke my knee (rode with a broken leg for around 1200kms which was really agonizing ). Much to be blamed was my stupidity of not wearing any knee protection but the fall inevitable and it was mainly because of the bike's balance. Now that the Leh terrain is very harsh and with such rash road conditions can someone suggest what is the best way to go abt this?? Last edited by the nightfox; 02-08-2012 at 11:31 PM.

02-09-2012, 09:07 AM	#194 (permalink)
icemang Sarvatra Vijay Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Pune Posts: 452	For nightfox ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About your ear ache. Some reasons are ----- A poorly fitted helmet which presses on the ear itself rather than enveloping it in the small recess provided AND/OR ------ An issue in your cervical vertebra - could be the initial stages of spondilytis, needs to be checked to be sure AND/OR ------ Your rear suspension is set too hard and that is causing shocks to your neck vertebra leading to the pain esp since you mentioned that the pain spread to your shoulder and back. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To get back on topic, your P-180 will have no problems. Read up a little on carbs and EFIs and you will realise that both systems intake air from outside; it is the way the fuel and air is treated that is the difference. You will need to lean the mixture at higher altitudes, that's all. No hassle. You will have to acquire significantly more knowledge on bikes to make your journey as potentially trouble-free as possible - mechanics are not available everywhere so DIY is the slogan. The Pulsar series has among the best tyres in India. Sorry to say so, but it seems that your riding style needs to be changed. You need to read the road better and accordingly adapt yourself to changing circumstances - rain, snow, mud, water etc. Visit yogeshsarkar.com and write to this chap. He has done Leh not once, not twice but THREE times on his P-180. __________________ http://tinyurl.com/Leh-Schedule http://tinyurl.com/Leh-members http://tinyurl.com/Leh-Excel-prep Last edited by icemang; 02-09-2012 at 09:19 AM.

02-09-2012, 11:23 AM	#195 (permalink)
the nightfox Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chennai, Tamilnadu Posts: 13	Need some advice! @aatifs: Thanks for that tip mate. I'll surely get one new for this trip (any online store u know of??). @Icemang: Thanks for the prompt response sir. I will definitely look into my riding posture and learn some mechanics too. One more issue I forgot to mention abt the tyre was that when on my previous trip, I had to ride in this terrible stretch of around 20-30kms full of huge rocks and stones. At one point my front tyre skidded and a medium sized rock hit my alloy rim with a big bang. I stopped to see if it has done any damage but nothing was visible. I carried on and on that evening I found out that the air pressure of the front wheel had gone down drastically. I checked for any puncture but nothing was visible. I then spotted the air leak (using some soap solution) near the juncture between the tyre and the rim. To make things worse there was one more similar leak on the other side. I could not think of a solution for this and hence had to fill up air then and there for the rest of the trip which again was a little troublesome. I did not want to ride with low pressure tyre's as it's not safe, plus the FE would drop drastically. Now how can one handle this type of situation? The local mechanic now has changed the tyre into a tubed one. That has taken care of the problem but my question is whether or not, tubed tyres are better option for such rides?

02-09-2012, 01:20 PM	#196 (permalink)
aatifs Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: andheri,mumbai Posts: 111	Hi Hi there for rocky road and offroading tubeless tyre not good if you damage your alloy wheel you lose air better to carry extra tube with you we got same problem with my brother bike in our one trip if seen motocross,offroading bikes have spokes wheel tube tyers for online shopping check hoodwinds leh 2012 planner log he mention some store __________________ born to ride

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