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  • From noise to music...DIY:Re-pack a Free Flow exhaust

    With great power comes great responsibilities. Well I can co-relate this with my Race Concept FFE. With performance came LOUD exhaust note. Well music to some, noise to most. And commuting, touring and riding to every nook and corner of the city with this LOUD exhaust aren't practical. I use to get the following reaction everywhere


    Tried stuffing as much wool(steel wool/ceramic wool) as I could, but the exhaust won't keep quiet for more than a month or (1000-1500 Kms). Wish Race Concepts had decent noise management for the FFE(DB killer is not of much use because of its back pressure in 3-5K RPM. Mostly in city traffic, riding becomes difficult with that).

    Well I was confused because the Ceramic wool, which we had used to stuff FFE, was of industrial grade and could sustain 1300 degrees. A simple fire test of the Ceramic wool we have used.


    After burning the wool for 5 mins, what do we have? Everything


    Checked on xbhp but couldn't get concrete info on how to repack the FFE. Started exploring FFE forums and got inputs on problems with Ceramic wool(Ceramic wool is very effective if it is used in static devices. Vibration and water are the two biggest problems with ceramic wool). Came across Two Brothers videos of repacking FFE.



    Finally found that our approach of stuffing as much ceramic wool(by crushing it) in the Can, wasn't correct and hence ineffective. As per the inputs, we needed a three layer packing. Base layer(cylinder) of metal screen with steel wool/rope wrapped on it and finally ceramic wool wrapped on the steel wool layer. Steel wool layer helps in absorbing soot and enhances Ceramic wool's life. Normally in FFE's you can take out the perforated pipe and wrap the layers on top. With RC FFE, we didn't have that option and yes, it increased the effort required.

    Let's start with the ingredients required.
    Steel wool,
    Ceramic Wool,
    Riveting Tool,
    Drilling machine,
    Metal Screen,
    Metal wire,
    Gloves


    Step 1:
    Use the drilling machine to drill the rivet.






    Step 2:
    Carefully open the end can and inspect the inner perforated pipe.






    Step 3:
    Measure the radius of first layer(metal screen layer) by trial and error method and use metal wire to maintain the cylinder shape.






    Future planning


    Step 4:
    Wrap Steel Wool and than wrap Ceramic wool to complete the packing.






    Future planned


    Safely stored repacking for future usages


    Step 5:
    Carefully place the repacking in the can by sliding it on top of perforated pipe. It's not tricky but make it smooth and avoid forceful insertion






    Step 6:
    Close the end of can with cap. Make sure you align the rivet holes of can with those of cap. I missed Silicone sealant though.






    Step 7:
    Using a riveting tool, rivet all the holes.




    Job done and you live PEACEFULLY ever after


    PS: Please add on things I have missed or things could be done better.
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  • #2
    excellent DIY post approved.

    Thanks for sharing.
    (Been There Done That) x 3.25

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    • #3
      Can you tell where in Hyderabad did you buy the steel & ceramic wool ? And would be great to hear the exhaust.. any videos ?!?
      future planning pics look like you've prepared some bombs and plan to take over the world (or at least old city) !!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by s1d View Post
        Can you tell where in Hyderabad did you buy the steel & ceramic wool ? And would be great to hear the exhaust.. any videos ?!?
        future planning pics look like you've prepared some bombs and plan to take over the world (or at least old city) !!
        Steel wool can be bought in any of the hardware stores. 22-25 Rs a bundle. For ceramic wool I had to run to Balanagar and around for quality ceramic wool. If you need a little bit, I can help you with that.

        How about joining XBHp Hyd. chapter(http://www.facebook.com/groups/xbhphyd/) and meeting all the XBhpians here You can the exhaust in person.
        Picturesque Bidar
        Mesmerizing Belum caves

        Second Chance-A trip to Kuntala Waterfalls, Sadarmatt Anicut,SriRamSagar Dam

        A 4 days rural Andhra exploration trip(Horsley hills,Gandikota)

        Independence Day ride: 6 Days exploration of less known Andhra

        My Bun Burner ride (Officially certified)

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        • #5
          nice job... please put the cost of every tool and components used...

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          • #6
            Just tell us what ceramic wool is also used for/what kind of shop sells it? so I can try and find it over here
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Juris View Post
              Steel wool can be bought in any of the hardware stores. 22-25 Rs a bundle. For ceramic wool I had to run to Balanagar and around for quality ceramic wool. If you need a little bit, I can help you with that.

              How about joining XBHp Hyd. chapter(http://www.facebook.com/groups/xbhphyd/) and meeting all the XBhpians here You can the exhaust in person.
              Thanks for the info, it was actually for a friend i asked. I am not the 'woolen' kind.. been happy with the no nonsense rx100 and its exhaust. I had to give it away recently though
              I've never used and never will use FB I am right now waiting to getting my hands on a new bike (unable to take a decision since the past two months). I am 'stuck' (though zipping around) on my dio. if any one spots a fat a** on a dio with a fancy num zippin around in hyd, its me..
              i will definitely meet the hyd chapter, and looking forward to be a part of some long rides.. but my work and a bit of laziness is putting of doing certain things i'd love to.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by hars1988 View Post
                nice job... please put the cost of every tool and components used...
                Cost for a single re-packing
                Let's start with the ingredients required.
                Steel wool,- 20-30 Rs
                Ceramic Wool, 50 Rs.I bought a sack for 1000 Rs that can stuff 20 times because of the limited options in denominations.
                Riveting Tool, 600 Rs(Again one cannot include Riveting tool cost in this)
                Drilling machine,650 Rs(Again one cannot include Riveting tool cost in this)
                Metal Screen, 100 Rs for 5-6 repacking
                Metal wire, 15 Rs for 250 gms, that can serve 10 re-packings
                Gloves- 25 Rs a pair

                Originally posted by stefanm View Post
                Just tell us what ceramic wool is also used for/what kind of shop sells it? so I can try and find it over here
                Ceramic wool is used as an insulator in refrigeration industry.Ceramic wool would be available in shops that fix refrigerators. That's the best bet in Goa
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                Mesmerizing Belum caves

                Second Chance-A trip to Kuntala Waterfalls, Sadarmatt Anicut,SriRamSagar Dam

                A 4 days rural Andhra exploration trip(Horsley hills,Gandikota)

                Independence Day ride: 6 Days exploration of less known Andhra

                My Bun Burner ride (Officially certified)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Juris View Post
                  Cost for a single re-packing
                  Let's start with the ingredients required.
                  Steel wool,- 20-30 Rs
                  Ceramic Wool, 50 Rs.I bought a sack for 1000 Rs that can stuff 20 times because of the limited options in denominations.
                  Riveting Tool, 600 Rs(Again one cannot include Riveting tool cost in this)
                  Drilling machine,650 Rs(Again one cannot include Riveting tool cost in this)
                  Metal Screen, 100 Rs for 5-6 repacking
                  Metal wire, 15 Rs for 250 gms, that can serve 10 re-packings
                  Gloves- 25 Rs a pair


                  Ceramic wool is used as an insulator in refrigeration industry.Ceramic wool would be available in shops that fix refrigerators. That's the best bet in Goa
                  Superb DIY. My exhaust has burnt of the glass wool completely & now its way too loud. Thanks for the ceramic wool alternative.

                  BTW where did you get the rivetting tool & drilling tool from?? Do the rivets have any sizes to look for?
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                  • #10
                    Wow, detailed thread. Just when i was looking around for fiber glass for totally forgetting this glasswool refilling headache. But mate, let me ask one thing, does these multiple layers help sustaining the life of ceramic wool for longer than before ? If yes , for how long ? And also how would it compare to fiber glass , which is just a one time fill and then forget type of solution. I'm looking forward to the comparison.

                    Also how did you fix the metal wire on the metal mesh over the perforated pipe ? inside access is so limited or did you do the fitting outside and checked the fitting on trial and error basis ?

                    Cheers
                    Ride Safe
                    Krishna
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                    • #11
                      Amazing DIY. A short video would have 'sone pe suhaga' just one noob question, plz bear.. Won't this re-packing cause some restriction?
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                      • #12
                        small doubt ,if the ceramic woll can withstand 1300"c then wouldnt it be fit it and forget it stuff?..

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Honda_CBF View Post
                          Amazing DIY. A short video would have 'sone pe suhaga' just one noob question, plz bear.. Won't this re-packing cause some restriction?
                          Restriction in which way ? The filling is for getting a better quality sound, else the vibration of the perforated pipe is very much audible and trust me when i say this, it'll be ear blindingly loud without it. Other than that I bileve no harm from riding with or without Glasswool. I'm speaking from my own experience with FFE , been using the RC one for over 25k kms now.

                          Cheers
                          Ride Safe
                          Krishna
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by madhav krishna View Post
                            Superb DIY. My exhaust has burnt of the glass wool completely & now its way too loud. Thanks for the ceramic wool alternative.

                            BTW where did you get the rivetting tool & drilling tool from?? Do the rivets have any sizes to look for?
                            Riveting tool can be bought from shop that deals in Industrial material and tools. Here in Hyderabad, you get such tools in Ranigunj. There are various sizes(based on diameters) and you have too choose the correct one based on the diameter of rivet hole in the FFE. It's an easy task and rivets normally are pretty cheap.


                            Originally posted by krish2778 View Post
                            Wow, detailed thread. Just when i was looking around for fiber glass for totally forgetting this glasswool refilling headache. But mate, let me ask one thing, does these multiple layers help sustaining the life of ceramic wool for longer than before ? If yes , for how long ? And also how would it compare to fiber glass , which is just a one time fill and then forget type of solution. I'm looking forward to the comparison.

                            Also how did you fix the metal wire on the metal mesh over the perforated pipe ? inside access is so limited or did you do the fitting outside and checked the fitting on trial and error basis ?

                            Cheers
                            Ride Safe
                            Krishna
                            Yes multiple layers do add to longevity. The steel wool wrapped on metal screen absorbs soot and enhances ceramic wool's life. Also,
                            The first repacking in my bike FFE's is still going strong after 2000 Kms and it is still under observation.
                            PS:As per the info provided by Akrapovic and Two Brothers repacking videos, a decent repacking should last around 10K kms.

                            I am yet to get hands on fiber glass for repacking. So can't comment on the comparison part.

                            For metal wire, the exact dimension was deduced by trial and error method. Yes, placing the screen inside the FFE and struggling for exact fit. The most time consuming part of the DIY. Easier solution would be to take a pipe of same(or slightly more) diameter as that of inner perforated pipe and wrap the metal screen on that. That way one can easily and quickly get the base screen layer, without going for trial and error attempts.
                            Originally posted by Honda_CBF View Post
                            Amazing DIY. A short video would have 'sone pe suhaga' just one noob question, plz bear.. Won't this re-packing cause some restriction?
                            I was taking pictures along with the DIY itself all alone For video I needed some help.
                            Restriction/back pressure is negligible. Infact, most of the FFE makers(such as Two Brothers and Akrapovic) have stuffing.

                            Originally posted by abhiiceman View Post
                            small doubt ,if the ceramic woll can withstand 1300"c then wouldnt it be fit it and forget it stuff?..
                            I wish. Ceramic or glass wool are normally used in static devices such as refrigerator (something devoid of vibration). Ceramic wool/fiber-glass is made of thousands of tiny fibers, all of which vibrate with each sound pressure wave. Like bending a paper clip back and forth, these fibers reach a point where they break under stress. When the fiber is short enough to work its way through the core's perforations, the exhaust pulls the available fiber into the stream and out of the muffler. It goes out as fibrous dust and is breathed in by the rider behind you. As such one needs to recollect and re-pack the muffler
                            Source(http://www.supertrapp.com/images/pdf...acking-FAQ.pdf)

                            Originally posted by krish2778 View Post
                            Restriction in which way ? The filling is for getting a better quality sound, else the vibration of the perforated pipe is very much audible and trust me when i say this, it'll be ear blindingly loud without it. Other than that I bileve no harm from riding with or without Glasswool. I'm speaking from my own experience with FFE , been using the RC one for over 25k kms now.

                            Cheers
                            Ride Safe
                            Krishna
                            True that on that loud, irritating and hollow note(or rather noise) of FFE without repacking.
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                            Mesmerizing Belum caves

                            Second Chance-A trip to Kuntala Waterfalls, Sadarmatt Anicut,SriRamSagar Dam

                            A 4 days rural Andhra exploration trip(Horsley hills,Gandikota)

                            Independence Day ride: 6 Days exploration of less known Andhra

                            My Bun Burner ride (Officially certified)

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                            • #15
                              does the exhaust sounds same as new one or better after repacking?
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