exactly wat i was abt 2 post
these ppl post stuff one day and disappear the same moment never 2 come back and respond again
block them 4 gud sunny

well Nav, the facts...

Consider the single largest selling bike in India - HH Splendour
reasons - a highly reliable engine and high engine life are the major reasons why.

Now the stats for HH Splendour - 7.5 PS @ 8500 RPM which is a higer RPM than P-180.

Under normal riding circumstances, a splendour rider wud hav to rev much higher than a pulsar rider to maintain a normal riding speed of say 60 - 65 KMPH.

Now if such a high Revving engine being thrashed to the max most of the time can be one of the most reliable engines in india also having a high engine life, i don't c any basis in ur assertion than p-180 being a high RPM engine, has a lower engine life.

Satisfied Nav? or do u want more? I have more...
Just waiting 4 ur reply 2 this one.

Hey can sombody able to tell me when this is going to launch?? I am really waiting for this new stuff!!!

Sachin

good 1 rare devil waiting 4 navs reply

Raredevil Splendor is 7.5 PS@8000 rpm (got this from hero honda's web site). Also it makes max torque at around 5000rpm. You are saying the splendor is very reliable, now can u talk to some owner of splendor asking him that for how long his engine worked well without needing ne work?????

in my group the splendor guys have done 50k+ kms without even the ring and clutch change,and they ride hard.nav fiero with u gave this life else it too bogs earlier.
forgot too add there is a 'uncle' stayin near my place,has a HT rd,apx.50k on odo,no ring change,no chain-sporket change.remember it's a ht,conks around 15-20k.how i ran after him to sell me his bike,lovely mechine,factory red paint,original blinkers,rubber,hell one bike.

Well I don't know if rare-devil knows that when I said less ELF .. I didn't mean that ELF of new p180 will be few tousand km. What I meant was that if both bikes are runin properly and have a fault free engine, ridden alike and maintained well. Then new DTSi p180 engine will require work before karizma engine ... and that will be around 70,000-80,000km (estimated this period based on my exp on my fiero).

Also I'm not sure how many members of this club (who are arguing on ELF thing) will have their bikes will them for so long.

"Wow !!! U saw the bike ??? C'mon man, the bike is not yet on road, no test versions even, so its just not possible u seeing one. All road testing is being done on Bajaj's test track at akurdi"

well whoever has said this is wrong
coz i had seen the bike in front of the bajaj showroom in wakdewadi with two testers wearing silver helmets.the fairing was wrapped up in brown paper and a small gap was left in the front 4 the headlamp lite 2 fall on the road . and it was the same one that auto india had seen n published in their aug issue mh14 t 007/d
also had the guy wait under the same tree under i was waiting when it was raining and it was then i asked him 4 the exhaust tune of the bike n he was kind enuf 2 give me the keys n hear it 4 mself....so u r wrong

Nav, i am stil not satisfied with the reasons u gave nor i think wud anybody else be. nyway, here's more:

If machine A is designed to eek out max power at 8000 RPM and machine B at 6000 RPM, then quite obviously, the characteristics of the materials used in machine A and B wud b quite different. Mac A wud b built with materials that can take on the extra punishment that it'll hav to go thru during its useable life.
Therefore, considering this point, the above example u gave (btween Kari and P-180) is quite vague.

Come'on OWN UP NAV....waiting

Rare-devil before I continue this thread ne further, tell me whats ur background about engine stuff? As for me I'll say I'm still a novice.

Now as u said that a engine which peaks at high rpm will be made of diff material as compared to the one which peaks at low rpm. Agreed, not just this two different engines which peaks at same rpm, might also be made of diff material.

Now how can u say that out of the material used in new p180/karizma, which one is better? Did u talked to the bajaj and hh engineers to find out what quality material they used in their engines OR u tested on your own the quality of the material used in those engines?

Also what u meant by "OWN" in "Come'on OWN UP NAV....waiting" ????

Nav, i didn't hav to speak 2 bajaj or HH regarding the materials they use : the success of the Splendour in this context proves it all.

ok one q, when splendor has come here...now u will agree that splendor, cd100, joy, dawn, sleek, passion all have the same engine. I'm bit confused as to why joy and dawn flopped? Also why only splendor is selling so much and not cd100/passion????

quite obviously, the joy or dawn cudn't hav flopped due to reasons of low ELF - coz they havn't been in the market long enough to prove that they hav a low engine life

ok .. so now when ur talking that splendor is in market for long enough to prove that its elf is good. Now can u take a engine that makes it max power and torque at higher rpm, as compares to splendor.

Max power for splendor is at 8000 and for caliber is around 8,500.
Max torque for splendor is around 5000 and for caliber is around 6000.

Now can you find people owning splendor and caliber who have done more than 50,000km to find out what all engine work they have done to their bikes????

I'm sure that if we take a poll then we will find that after say xKM (70,000, some rough guess) there will be more calibers who got their engines worked up as compared to no of splendors.

I hope this clears the thing or not?

Nav..one thing U must realise that a bikes sales figures don't just depend on how good product it is or how well engineered it is. We have seen the death of many a great products in the past... for example...(in your favourite stable)... the TVS Spectra, The Bajaj Legend NXT, the Enfield Fury 175 and so on.

It is also not only about after sales service and support as well.

It is a lot about marketing and consumer perception.

If U remember the Splendor came out when the only 4-stroke options a customer had was the CD 100 and the CD 100 SS. It was a neat looking machine with a price that was a couple of grand more than these products. So naturally people looked at it with aspiration. So it got a good reputation. This reputation holds on even today for the millions of first time bike buyers. They always looked at the Splendor with desire.

Although years have past and the Spendor is no longer that premium bike. There are bikes now that are a even double its price.. but it is still regarded with that high esteem. So when the Splendors price has remained the same (or even dropped a little). People's incomes have increased. They are suddenly able to buy that more expensive Splendor easily, and better than the earlier . So they go for it.

Now look at the Joy and the Dawn....These came in much later. By then HH had built millions of CD... and Splen... They had mastered the production and were now able to offer these at a much lower price bracket. So they decided to offer these cheaper versions of the CD..s in the form of the Dawn and JOy..advertising it heavily, harping mainly on price.

Now the customer who really wants to but a scooter but can see a bike within his reach in the form of a Dawn or Joy will go for it. But one who had already decided to go in for a bike would rather be seen on a Splendor (so what if it is not the premium bike it used to be) than on an advertised cheap bike.

Isn't it simple.... it's all about image buddy!