I still believe that that ABS won't work on OIL patch.

But in the video they said at 2:32: "A long stable stop in an OIL SPILL is much safer than brush of the brake lever and an instant Fall"

And ABS is a very nice safe feature an individual should have.

i am a CBR owner as well.. well that was being a lil pun intended with the conti's to be showing under expected traction.


regarding the last point.. oops my bad.. what i meant on braking hard (4 wheels) on a big oil patch.. the steering would go free due to no traction on road.... and vehicle would spin either side...

Couldn't have agreed more. Guys, a prevention system is made by a very limited amount of functions, its not like the human brain that is multi funtional, which is whats needed because skids happen through varying circumstances and a multitude of elements cause it. I'm not saying that ABS is useless, it does what it should but what it does doesn't necessarily compensate for what should be done.

Anyway, the ABS system i feel is something of a personal choice, some people are more dependent on their sensitivity and ways of braking and why not (with brilliant brakes like 'Bybre' being put on CBR250r non ABS). And some prefer a trouble free brake aid system that prevents wheel locking which solves some of the major hard braking issues.

Be safe guys and ride again.

Cheers.

abs eliminates any probability of your wheels locking on any surface, any speed, no matter what.

its intelligent sensors and processor calculate the speed of rotation of each wheel, and compute the precise amount of brake force required. With all this excuted in the space of a few milliseconds, it's racing wizardry at the finest. And cheekiest. This beast preceives its sheels as to separate units, independent of each individual wheel-given the rtr and its racer, and unbeatable [and almost unfair] racing advantage. With abs, you can brake later, recover faster and effortlessly scream past the chequered flag before your competition ever realizes what hit'em. Because what's absolute fury, without absolute control?

TVS Apache Site ^

But As always i like what Wikipedia said:-

An ABS generally offers improved vehicle control and decreases stopping distances on dry and slippery surfaces for many drivers; however, on loose surfaces like gravel or snow-covered pavement, an ABS can significantly increase braking distance, although still improving vehicle control.


Some Effectiveness & Advantage (Stats & Test)

A 2003 Australian study by Monash University Accident Research Centre found that ABS:
Reduced the risk of multiple vehicle crashes by 18 percent,
Reduced the risk of run-off-road crashes by 35 percent.

Some more Study,

According to the NHTSA,

"ABS works with your regular braking system by automatically pumping them. In vehicles not equipped with ABS, the driver has to manually pump the brakes to prevent wheel lockup. In vehicles equipped with ABS, your foot should remain firmly planted on the brake pedal, while ABS pumps the brakes for you so you can concentrate on steering to safety."

Somthing interesting below

HowStuffWorks "The ABS System"



Bottom Line is It Gives you More Control,

ABS Does not equal Traction Control. ABS is only there to prevent wheel lockup in case of emergency braking. Most superbikes are NOW implementing Traction Control alongside ABS for the same purpose. Sliding on the oily patch = Loss of traction. IF there was wheel lock on the patch which caused the slide, then yes ABS CAN and WILL prevent it

re: Does ABS really help?

i have heard that all Indian bikes above 125cc capacity will have ABS from 2017 onwards in India. is this information correct?

re: Does ABS really help?

AFAIK, this is still a proposal and no concrete decision has been made yet.

So ABS is a must eh?

Reading through the forum I come across this kind of statement quite often "My next bike must have ABS" or "ABS saved me, without it I would've crashed". I'd like to know of specific instances where you think ABS has helped you or you think ABS will help you. Please share your experiences and thoughts.

Thanks

Re: So ABS is a must eh?

Merged into a similar existing thread.

Yes, i have noticed it too.

Reading through some posts you would be led to believe that ABS is all that you need for motorcycle safety!

The only thing that one requires for safety is using the grey matter between the ears.

ABS and the other fashionable thing you would have noticed is Slipper Clutches on the KTM threads. How could one even imagine riding a bike without a slipper clutch!

But the worst that i have seen are people spending tons of money on riding gear, without a care of riding carefully. No amount of safety gear is going to keep the rider safe if he/ she rides like an idiot!

Re: So ABS is a must eh?

The opinions expressed are personal ... and I might be jumping all over the place

ABS is just an aid to help in-experienced riders in case of panic braking to avoid locking of the brake and lifting of the rear wheel. But for the simpler ABS that we get that are monotonous and very intrusive, actually hamper the metamorphosis of the biker into a rider. You are always relying on the system to get you out of tricky situations that you don't or rather can't learn how to truly control 'the' bike. The single quoted 'the' implies that even though you might have tamed and become an expert on this bike, your knowledge and skill set is limited to this bike only.

Au contraire ... it doesn't prevent the incident itself from happening nor does it help you stop in miraculous distances or time. You need to maintain the straight line as it is not linear but rather pulsating. You could say that without it the front would fold anyways ... multiple counter arguments can be proposed fine. Each person is entitled to his own opinions and the comforts they provide. There are lot of qualities that make a good riders that none of these fancy tools can teach. Situational awareness, proper understanding of the abilities and limits of the machine, maintenance of that machine and the rider etc etc ...

As for Slipper clutch ... its a track tool in my opinion. But how much time do we spend on the track compared to the road. Yes yes it is very fancy ... and maybe you might need it on the road for fast downshifting in case of emergencies so that the rear doesn't lock etc etc ... very safe tool too. Again, why would one put oneself in such a situation that it is needed.

To those who decide a bike based on ABS and slipper clutch, all I can say is .... you ain't gonna hit on that girl coz her earrings is fancy eh !!! Something similar if you get the drift. It is the bike as the whole that has to be the right choice ... and don't make this choice based on what the bike is today ... but what it will be for you the next 5-10 years. I consider a bike to be an integral part of my life (and wardrobe) ... it needs to appeal to your heart for what it will be and not what it is on paper.

For all this there will be a counter-argument ... flying monkeys and idiots on the road. But in their opinion, it is you who is the idiot. A never ending counter-intuitive discussion to which my answer would only be to ride better. And yes the change starts with you ... may or may not you make a difference, you are not the source of this trouble. All the gear in the world will not protect you from the pain of any incident.

All you need to know and realize is one simple fact .... Know and understand the full limits of the capabilities of you and your machine ... but never test them anywhere else but on a track; well, unless there is a T-Rex on your a$$ then justifiable :-P

Re: Does ABS really help?

Hello all...

Straight away coming to the point - I have never been in a situation where abs saved my neck.
My breaking isn't perfect now but in my starting years i used to always skid using the front discs. Even now in rains or loose gravel sometimes i unknowingly squeeze hard and lock my front-skid-touchdown.
So yes... I would like my next bike to have abs because we never know what the next fall is gonna cost us.

I have heard 'Skilled' riders not using abs and advising beginners to learn on non abs bikes. And i can understand what they mean, but ALSO in a survey (riders of varying skill level had to break efficiently in standard conditions on abs/non abs bikes) it was found that only a professional rider was able to break more efficiently (smaller breaking distance) than bikes with abs on.. !!


So i believe its very logical and wise to include ABS as one of the criteria while buying a bike.
I am not against learning or honing one's skills but if the technology is present then why not use it and save ourselves of the numerous stupid linear skids/fails ?!



P.s :- i like to use engine breaking along with the discs(never locked my rear), so i wonder how much difference a slipper clutch will make if i get one ?

Re: Does ABS really help?

.... and an experienced rider will not put himself in a situation to test as such.

Re: Does ABS really help?


Agreed.

But it takes sufficient number number of Falls to get 'The Experience'.
And with current and upcoming powerful/torquey crop of bikes and the wide age window of the people buying & riding them..... I would definitely want abs to be present on each one of them.



Cheers.

Re: Does ABS really help?

Absolutely not. The only time you will fall frequently in the process of learning is if you are a track rider, stunter, rallyist etc.

A regular rider like us doesn't need to fall and get hurt to learn.

As MS Dhoni recently said "You don't need to fail to learn valuable lessons!"

Re: Does ABS really help?

You talk of an experienced rider as someone infallible, who can never make mistakes.
Even when not accounting for others' mistakes on the road, no matter how skilled the rider, there will be times when one commits mistakes.
All these technologies are meant to avoid or minimize the consequences of such mistakes.