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Though I also try and buy Indian products as much as possible, I wouldn't expect others to follow suit. This is not just for motorcycles, but anything that I want to buy. If there are two companies selling the same or similar product, then I would rather go for the Indian. Provided the quality is same or similar ofcourse.

Like I couldn't buy an Indian cycle, because Indian Manufacturers make rubbish cycles. Therefore, I bought a trek. But I bought a Bajaj, because it gave me all the quality and everything else that I required from a motorcycle.

Good points you have come up with SK.

Indians are Never Blindly Patriotic especially when it comes to making purchase decisions. But Indians are definitely suckers for Value for Money.

This is the reason why we don't see a demand for Chinese motorcycles/cars and at the same time Tata cars are having a hard time too.

Give us a Good product at a Good price, Design it according to the times, make it appear to be giving the best bang for the Indian buck, and it should sell.

[/MENTION]: I agree with you. But the reason I came with these thoughts is because I noticed in another thread that some people could decide to go for an Indian product (motorcycle or any product) because they seem to care about India's economy (since buying an Indian product would help the cause). I found this to be a pretty interesting point of view though I may not agree to it

Caution: This is a nonpolitical and light hearted post.. to be taken positively!

If you get a salary of 1 lakh.
30K goes to govt. straight as income tax.


You get 70K.


You pay broad band bill of 1000.. govt gets 14% of the amount.
You buy fuel of 4000.. govt gets 14% and additional tax from sate govt (around 7-10%)
You go and eat in restaurant - You pay 1200(the food was of 1000 rs only) but govt took 14.5%(VAT and service tax).
The already taxed income is getting taxed again with every transaction.


If I buy an imported sports vehicle I pay more money on tax rather than the actual cost of the vehicle.. it goes to the Govt.


So, 1 lakh of salary become 60K in your hands(30% income tax and 14.5% VAT). Every purchase you make whether fuel, clothes, food or drinks.. considerable amount of the cake goes to the govt.


Patriotism should not be one sided. The govt. should also think about its people.


If something happens to the source of income.. the govt is not going to provide you even the death bed for free.. mind you! The unclaimed body would be used for benefit of the medical sciences and no one will provide the inceneration cost i.e the cost of 10 min of furnace electricity!


Read that accident victims will get some 48 hrs free treatment somewhere on the forum. For those who know how the hospitals function.. it means for 48hrs you would be left untreated.


Recently saw 5 Rs cheques provided to farmers whose crop was destroyed by excessive rains! This is max you can expect from this or any other Govt(they are all the same).


Did I say I am not a patriot! No. Its a harsh world out there.. Govt has taken what it can from you.. you have done your bit. Pay your taxes proactively and diligently, thats what would take India forward. The product I choose for my lifestyle is my choice. I have already given 40% of the cake.. let me enjoy the remaining 60%!!


I use BSNL Penta 8" tablet(Indian version of the iPad).. Lava Iris 501 phone (Indian version of the Samsung Galaxy Grand).. But that does not make me a bit more patriot than what I am. Reason for buying these were - My Nokia C7 was broken by my kid and the costly first tablet could not survive a week in his hands.


Extend the ideology this way - One should buy a bike which he could give for service a lot and buy cheap indian products(from very small manufacturers who do not believe/invest in QC). Every service you get, every brake pad you buy, every air filter you install contributes to this patriotic cause(14.5% to govt and remaining to the manufacturer)

Further, buying a Honda India or Yamaha India product ensures employment to thousands of Indian youth. Buying Bajaj or Mahindra is not the only option.

The motive is noble and crosses my mind too at times, but I feel I have already contributed enough(some taxes willingly and some completely unwillingly like paying 20K road tax in Delhi and 40K road tax in Hyderabad for the same vehicle.. this excludes the taxes I paid in terms of VAT on the vehicle and I am not alone.. there are thousands like me)

muztariq

Adding to it, the petrol price. Its keep on increasing. And the government had a second thought to give the petrol and diesel pricing to the vendors itself.

[/MENTION] and [MENTION=47715]muztariq[/MENTION], everything is clear and there is nothing much to write about. They have given out all the points.
I will happily buy any Indian product as long as it maintains a decent quality. We can make any product in two qualities. Good quality one for the foreign market and the second quality one for our own market. If govt takes tax from people its their duty to see that all products delivered to the people are of good quality. How can this be done?? By making stringent laws that should be abided by every manufacturer so that people get quality products.
Even international companies give quality that is just suited for Indian market. Why they give a world class product in some developed countries, because the law is such that they are forced to deliver the quality.
Like Monk said, the govt has increased the duty of imported cycles to 30%. The Indian companies are not doing anything, to improve the build quality of cycle and more than that, they are increasing the duty so that a middle class cannot even buy a quality product.
So what is the end result?? the components used in the cycle are of the same quality but there is just an increase in price. A Trek bike that cost around 20K now cost more than 30k. Isn't it ridiculous??
So manufactures will be forced to keep low cost components to keep the price tag down. [MENTION=38752]monk[/MENTION] soon we can expect India specific Treks, Scott and Giants. Let one manufacturer start this, soon others will follow.
Everyone is making money the hardway and why should we spend the hard earned money on some crappy product??
Let it be an Indian company or foreign, what we want is something that is worth for the money we spend!!!



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muztariq. I support your points out there. what you say seems true - 30% already taxed and again being taxed.

Above all, personally I feel that most products that has a label stating "Made in India", does not need to be manufactured in India. Remember??? China is a big time player now in manufacturing sector. They provide huge support and bend over back to bring in demand for their products worldwide. They are willing to manufacture your product with OEM flexibility (i.e) a company in China could manufacture, print, pack and ship the product under your company's brand name with your company's logo and all that legal stuff in it. You will not even be able to identify if it was manufactured in India or China. We all know about quality of products from China. Add to it the dealers and distributors network throughout India. Such is the transparency state now.

I was shopping around to buy few toys for my daughter and was surprised to see a wide variety of toys displayed. All of it was from China. I scanned few of the toys to see the price. Surprisingly, one of the toy had MRP as Rs.26 with a bar code and right beside it was imprinted with another sticker as Rs.115. I was zapped. Now who is to be blamed or who is cheating on whom? Are our people betraying our own countrymen or what? Of course it is business but I do not see any ground rules here...

Consider what we eat everyday. The cereals and pulses that we consume everyday is only of B or C grade quality. The best of the lot is being exported. Aren't Indians ready to buy the best of the lot? Are we not supposed to eat premium quality foods? On the flip side, we are regularly supplied and forced to buy imported chocolates and frozen foods. Even baby's food???

Leave aside the known big players in India, they are accountable and cannot be questioned. Unless we are sure about a particular company or its manufacturing plant details, it is hard to say "I am an Indian. I always buy Indian products." Many a times we should be saying, "I am an Indian. I always buy Made-for-India products."

Hoping to see Government turning things around soon failing which I see ourselves landing up in another pre-independence era. This time it may not be UK but maybe China or some other country .

When dealers import Chinese products, to avoid custom duty.. the price is intentionally claimed very low.. like a 1000 rs product would be labelled like Rs 40-50 etc even though the dealer would have bought it in 400-500 something. After importing it, the dealer would put a fresh label - if it goes to a big shop the price would be 1000 bucks something, if it goes to a small retailer.. it would be 700-800.

Hmmm... Thank you for explaining. I never knew this. That explains the pricing strategy though the quality of the product remains the same. Poor quality products yet variable pricing matching each strata of society.