Re: MT Helmets - Genuine?

Seems to be the season of OT!

Most questions can be answered by going through SPG's FAQ page - Spartan ProGear

FYI - SPG does already service a good number of bikers from the NE via assisted online purchase. The problem with this business in India is that it is largely a disorganised industry, where most retailers are from the bazaar market or small time traders and do not understand a more mature and informed market. So when knowledgeable bikers go to these outlets, they face all kind of hassles like over-charging, fake goods, no invoice, no warranty and poor product knowledge. Organised and corporate retail is actually the need of the day and we earnestly hope that we will soon see this change in the market. If you know of any good stores in the NE that are capable of quality retail, please do let me know.

SPG has tied up with the new retail chain MOTO 101 in this hope and hope that there will soon be more like them in the market.

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[MENTION=23857]trustvishwas[/MENTION] - thanks for starting this thread.
[MENTION=29015]Sunnyside_up![/MENTION]

thanks for starting the discussion and putting up few things--

I am not able to access the link for viewing the complete ECE certificate, can you please mention it clearly by typing here or directly giving us the link, or uploading the pdf file or jpg of pdf or something like that.

if there is total difficulty in uploading, you can mail me at [email protected] or [email protected]



The company is even lesser known then the "other helmet" company we were discussing on "the other thread" and i can't find MT Helmets on famous motorcycle riding gear shops like Motorcycle Superstore, Bike Bandit or Revzilla, although i can find the "other helmet" on Motorcycle Superstore. This shows that company is very less known in major parts of the world. Do you Agree??

• The company is manufacturing the helmets in four locations i.e spain, china, taiwan and hongkong, Still it does not sell helmets in china, taiwan and hongkong ??
• According to the Map on company website, it does not sell helmets to USA and India. what do you say?
• Since it does not sell helmets in USA, DOT certification is meaningless, will you agree?
• the model sold in India "MT Axxis" is not available on MT Helmets website. why?
• if the model sold in india is not listed on company website, it raises very serious doubts.
• can you share with us the "Production Qualification Test Report" for MT Axxis.

Thanks in advance.

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There are no links for viewing certification. It is visible inside the post.

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that is what i meant to convey, when i typed that web address in the address field of my webpage, followed by the number, it didn't show the ECE certificate.

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It works.
You need to open the website and then click on the link given in spanish which takes you to https://oficinavirtual.mityc.es/Arce...toCaptcha.aspx .

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@princesirohi, I think it is rebranded Shox Axxis helmet for Europe. You google this and you will find loads of results.


@Sunnyside_up! can clarify this better.

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Yes you're right,
Trademark MT, SHOX and ZOAN are given in the first line in the certificate.

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Guys, please refrain from posting about Spartan Pro Gear in this thread. If you are unhappy / happy about SPG, you are free to open a new thread about it. This thread is only to judge whether MT helmets being sold in India are genuine or not.

How does this relate to genuineness or lack thereof of MT helmets?


How does this relate to genuineness or lack thereof of MT helmets?

Very valid questions

If a company manufactures products to match world standards, is that a crime? Vega India manufactures DOT certified helmets. Do you see them selling them in US? A certification is validation about quality of a particular product / company.

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As @trustvishwas has pointed out, the link is within the posted sheet. On the side of the sheet is a website address in bold letters. Following this website address is a series of alphanumeric codes. Log into the website, which is an archives site and use the provided codes. This is the way to verify if the certification is genuine or not. If the codes lead to the same document that is published then the document is genuine.

All the websites you have mentioned are in the USA, so if you consider the USA alone to be "major parts of the world", then I would have to agree with you. Otherwise, I would attribute it to our ignorance.


Guess not. But what is the point of that question? My TITAN spectacle frames are manufactured in China but not sold there either.

As far as I know, MT does not sell under its own brand in the USA. Its helmets are sold under a joint venture as ZOAN Helmets. As for India, SPG has just started imports, so I guess the website would be updated soon. Thats a good point though - and I will follow that up.

See above

I've mentioned this before. The AXXIS model is sold under their SHOX brand-name, visible on many UK helmets sites. The brand names "ZOAN", "MT" and "SHOX" are all listed on the ECE certificate too. So whats the doubt?

I will not for two reasons. 1. It consists of more than 20 pages and impossible (for me at least) to post. 2. It contains confidential information which is not pertinent to this discussion and not meant for public consumption. I can however offer to make the document available for viewing in the SPG Office in Chennai, (with the relevant parts blanked out) where anybody who would like to is welcome to come and inspect the same. Just PM me when you would like to.

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Dude, watch it there.. (marked) I know you meant IRRELEVANT.
Otherwise you're saying that the parts which they want to see in the document will be blanked out..


Sent from the deep reaches of hell

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I sincerely thank you for the time taken to share the necessary info on the same.

Rarely we get to interact with someone from the company in an open forum like xbhp. NE as market has got its own quirks as rightly pointed out by you. Remote markets have horrible internet, road accessibility and the local dealers make a killing in the process even from those who are informed riders, not to mention courier services being bad.

Not to drag this further into more series of OTs: will be looking forward to more informative discussions taking place on this thread.


Cheers,

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Oopsie! Thanks for the pointer. Happened when I took of my reading spectacles to see the "Made in China" marking! am NOT editing the post though as it never seems to reappear properly after!!

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Cool, i think it'll be clear now... Just thought ill point it out as the post was important for making your point..



Sent from the deep reaches of hell

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[MENTION=29015]Sunnyside_up![/MENTION] , i can't view the document, after entering the alphanumeric code and clicking the search button, it keeps on searching forever.


although i had requested you earlier also, saying it once more, it is my humble request, can you plz e-mail it to me at [email protected]


[MENTION=23857]trustvishwas[/MENTION] : i suggest that we stick to the format, where we all ask questions & company representative answer them, instead of we cross-questioning each other.

and i will discuss everything related to MT helmets in this thread, not only genuineness of helmet, but also - genuineness of its safety certification, its quality and brand reputation etc. since it will not be wise to start a separate thread for each topic.

it is absolutely not a crime, if a company manufactures products to match world standards. However....

I have posted this in "LS2 thread" also, again mentioning it --

anybody can put a DOT approved sticker on its helmets, coz DOT does not actually test helmets before awarding DOT certificate, if any company feels that their helmets meet or exceed DOT standards, the company is free to put a "DOT approved" stamp on its helmets.

DOT actually tests helmets afterwards, by either picking up helmets from market or by asking the company to supply them few helmets for testing, and that too, it does for whichever helmet or brand it feels, not necessarily it will test all helmets.

this system works in USA, coz company fears that if DOT ever test their helmet, and it fails, there will be heavy fine/legal action, so this self check mechanism work iin USA.

BUT,

if somebody decides to manufacture helmets in india, which are substandard, and sticks DOT label on it and sells only in india, then he can sell it in india forever with DOT label, coz no US authority is going to come to India and test the helmets.

SO, if a helmet is not selling in US, then DOT label is not very trustworthy.



^^ thanks for this, however, it seems too good to be true, exactly on the boundary, not 1 gram less, not 1 gram more. if i get a chance to weigh it, then i will believe this. for the time being, i am neutral.

thanks for the info, mate.


agreed, these websites are in USA, but these are considered to be the major players in online riding gear sales, and ship products worldwide or USA/Europe, which i think is the biggest market for these things.

I am just saying that MT is a lesser known brand.

btw, you can suggest some other 2-3 popular online websites selling MT Helmets.

OR, if its sold in USA as Zoan or Shox helmets, these USA based websites should atleast come up with Zoan/Shox helmets. isn't it?


Assume that TITAN is manufactured in china, taiwan, hongkong and spain, and sold only in India and europe. so TITAN frames manufactured in china can fullfill indian sales requirement and those manufactured in spain can fullfill europe's requirement, even if we assume the spain production is less or is costly, in that case balance requirement of europe can be met from china. then why is it being manufactured in taiwan and hongkong too. what is the sense in manufacturing at four different locations, unless and untill, it is manufactured for different markets with different product quality. otherwise it must sell atleast in one of these three other countries. isn't it?


A company which manufactures its products at 4 locations across the globe and export it to 50 countries worldwide should not take years to update the website. it should be updated within a few days at the max.

btw, the website of Zoan is very low grade, and somebody said it is also sold as SHOX somewhere, i cant even find the website of SHOX.





A different brand name and a different country of manufacturing coupled with the logic explained above and the result is not good.

• you have not mentioned this earlier, somebody else has said so.
• SHOX helmets does not even have a website ?? quite surprising.
• Zoan helmets website is not up to the mark of such a big name. if the name is big at all.
• what is the reason for selling helmets under different brand names in different countries??

In that case, how to ascertain that products being sold are actually of the same quality as the ones tested by ECE.

btw, you mentioned above that SHOX AXXIS is available at many uk based helmet sites, so i found this -->>




no ECE Certification, no DOT certification.

found here -->> Shox Axxis Identity UK United Kingdom Great Britain Motorcycle motorbike Helmet | eBay

moreover, the DOT approval stamp shown on MT helmets sold in india is not correct, since may 2013, it has to be in this format -->



as mentioned here -->> Motorcycle Helmet Standards Explained: DOT, ECE 22.05 & Snell


what is the reason, it is not sold in europe as MT axxis, and instead sold under a different brand name?

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I suggest we stick to the format of asking relevant questions. No issue in asking any question pertaining to quality of the product. How does a question about it not being available on many websites relevant to product quality? Can you find Rolex watches, ferrari cars for sale on many websites?

A company may be extremely small and/or not known to many and/or its products are not very popular. It does NOT mean that that the quality of the product has to be bad. Please understand I am not comparing MT helmets with rolex or ferrari ....just making a point that non-availability on websites is not a guarantee of substandard quality.

I will give a small exmple. My riding jacket and pants are from a brand called Hein Gericke. Hein Gericke UK recently went backrupt...for the second time. However, if you search around on forums, you will find it to be a favourite of hard core riders. Product quality does NOT depend on its online / offline presence.

This is a wrong assumption. If the company and/or distributor is willing to share the certification details, then any label should be considered extremely trustworthy.

You can't find many shark helmets on US websites. Does that make a lesser known or suspect quality brand?

You will find Renault Duster being sold as Dacia Duster in Eastern Europe. Renault UK's site does not even have the name Duster in it. Toyota makes some cars under the brand name Lexus.....Nissan does under the brand Infinity....So going by your logic they have to be fake/substandard products. Right?

Are you really serious about this question? Have you heard a term called 'Logistics'? Products with larger volume than weight are almost always manufactured in multiple locations to reduce transport cost.

I sincerely request you to kindly stick to all the questions you may think about 'Whether product quality is as per claims'. Speculating on other things that are not relevant with product quality is really pointless.


Please understand that I have no relationship with SPG / MT....financial or otherwise. I do not personally know Sunny. I only request everyone to post relevant questions about product quality.