Re: A little help needed from non religious riders.

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I don't see any apprehension to give up on biking per se. I mean there's nothing wrong, sometimes it's just bad luck, but also being a little aware counts. Of course everyone crash and get back up. Sometimes rider awareness and sense judgement is paramount when it comes to overtaking, or "riding" in its totality.

Just my humble suggestion would be to why not try to be more aware of your situation like braking well before, checking your surroundings when you overtake, corner or what not. Also check out MAX Motorcycle Academy of xBhp forexcellent insights on how to ride and what's more to riding.

Cheers!
VJ

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Giving up on biking won't do any good. What if something bad happens in any other field, you wouldn't want to run every time.
Be more alert and hopefully such things won't happen.

I always fear the car door accident. And for it, i always make sure to pass from a distance as to have ample gap between us.

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From the description, At-least the first two incidents can be avoided by being more aware and pre-empting foolishness of other road users. Can't say much about the third incident as its not clear from the description. Thats the thing about riding/driving - you need to be constantly aware of everything that goes on and keep on pre-empting and simulating bad situations. Thats also one of the greatest charms of riding - you are the weakest species on the road but can make your way about safely and intelligently.
Apart from the Max motorcycling academy that B7 pointed out (Power1 Max Academy : Powered by Castrol Power1) there is also ridesafewith.me an old initiative of xbhp (not sure if the same content is there on max).
Do google up 'defensive riding'. There is a ton of information out there to make you a safer rider. There is an excellent thread on team-bhp (Evidence based driving: A primer) which goes a step further and talks about the kind of information you can glean about the road users around you and take adequate precautions. Initially, you will have to focus hard to be more aware of the environment but soon, it will be in your subconscious and you will automatically be able to take evasive action when faced with a situation.
About the puja - to each his own. If the puja can give you some extra belief, go for it. But, it can never be a substitute for rider education. Personally, my machines and God don't mix well. Have never done a puja on any bike/car/scooter I have bought. All are holding up fine

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My little advice though I also don't believe but get the puja done,

If its not going to benefit then it also won't harm.

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Agreed with vivek nothing harm in it to get the pooja done

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Backthorn and others have already given all scientific explanations and remedies .couldn't agree more with them .
BUT...
there are things unexplained on this earth ,whose effect on us is above logical minds .
Me being a engg, and a critic of superstitions, still believes in some ,because they're unexplained yet occur every time .
Once ,twice can be coincidence, BUT everytime cannot be .
There is a situation (in north /delhi/baniyas/ hindu) normally called manhoos gaadi (the bad omen vehicle ) .I've seen many examples that sometimes a specific vehicle tends to be in accident for totally unknown reasons or without any error by the person operating it .we usually tend to sell it off ,even if once a vehicle gets involved in a major accident ,we tend to sell it off as its believed to be a accident bringer again .
%note above said things are personal views shaped with years of experience ,even being a science guy and understanding every bit of what why instead of okay I'll follow it too .still readers are suggested not to criticize/further comment on this. They can simply ignore it .nor do I tend to promote superstition but aS I said ,there are somethings unexplained .
Ps - I too own a ns.

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Besides the wonderful information put up by xbhp team, you may also consider understanding how a motorcycle works and the science of cornering, braking and in the due process help yourself to become a better rider by following this cornering bible: Keith Code's Twist of the Wrist video:



I am pretty sure this video will help you heighten your senses to a new level. Sometimes such unfortunate incidents do happen but that shouldn't stop you from riding.



Cheers,

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Lucky you. I met with 3 accidents in less than a month last year..

First accident on the 6th of Oct 2013 where in I was over taking an auto rickshaw from the right and another guy in CD dawn over took him from left. The guy on cd dawn after over taking came complete right and hit on me.. he pushed me to the divider and he got balance as he bouched off of me.. thanks to my bike fairing i didnt get hurt at all..

Second Accident on the 20th of Oct 2013 near the border of Punjab and Chandigarh.. on our way to Spiti Valley from New Delhi. My friend got an emergency call back in New Delhi and we turned back.. i was overtaking a truck from the left and suddenly my bike skidded and I dont know how that even happened.. again, thanks to my bike fairing amd my riding gloves, i only sustained minor bruises and luckily i didnt fall under the rear wheels of the truck.. my friends didnt notice til they crossed 2 kms.. i picked up my bike and managed to meet them.

Third accident on the 4th of Nov 2013. The day after Diwali. I went out looking for changing the silencer guard for my bike as it was all screwed up after that second accident.. i was riding at 70ish and there is a blind curve ahead of me. A green traffic signal giving me the reason to carry on with that speed and suddenly in that curve, i see a rickshaw coming on thw wrong direction on the right hand side.. i apply full brakes, managing to slow down to 30 kmph before ramming the rickshaw.. my bike right side fairing finally gave up, the headlight assembly broken, the left side foot peg broken, the clutch lever bent, the weight of my left handle bar came out flying, the cone set became loose.. my helmet saved my skull.. my gloves saved my knuckles and palm.. i wasnt wearing high ankle shoes so my left ankle had a deep cut which took almost 2 months to heal..

Well, I didnt give up riding.. these things happen. This is nature.. we just have to keep ourselves strong and move on.. try not to make mistakes as we learn from mistakes.

The second accident was because of my fault. Overtaking from the left. Luckily nothing serious happened. My friends were so scared they didnt want to go on another ride. I convinced them saying all yhis js part of life and we have to move on. After that i did 5 rides..

1. To Coimbatore from New Delhi and back solo
2. To coimbatore from Chennai and Back solo
3. To Coimbatore from Chennai and back solo
4. To Chanshal pass from New Delhi and back with my friends.
5. To Rohtang pass feom New delhi and back with another friend.

Nothing happend to me. Had i quit biking, i dont think i would have been able to do all this.

It is all in our minds. Relax yourself and get the crazy things off of your mind and carry on..

I just got my bike fixed after the 3rd incident and here I am.

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To people who say that I should get a puja done. I respect that you are religious, but please do not suggest things which I have already told that I'm not interested in. I have my reasons, which will take the topic in a whole new direction, and it would be pointless. I won't budge from my point, you won't budge from yours. That's how all religious debates end. So let's not go there.

And to the guy who commented before me, having 3 accidents in a month is definitely worse than having 3 accidents in 6 months. Hope you are fully well now. Btw which bike do you ride?

Another point I forgot to mention is that all the three accidents which happened, happened with my girlfriend behind me. She feels that she's bad luck for me. She's stupid. I know there has to be an alternate solution.

How effective would it be to change from Euro slips?

I'm thinking a better headlight would also help because all the accidents happened in the evening/night time.
The "experts" who come to work by public transport said that the accidents have happened in the evening because someone must have said something ill about the bike in the evening time. Nazar laga diya hoga.
I feel a brighter light would have helped me to forsee the coming danger and would have assisted me in averting it.

And after the first accident, I feel the bike pulls slightly to the left. I showed it to the svc guy, he says it's fine. He said that I must have tested it on an inclined road. But I have a feeling that even a small bend in a fork, although negligible, might cause a big problem when panic braking. I feel that if I apply full force on the front brakes, and if the left fork is bent, the bike will dip on the left first causing the brake to not be linear. Resulting in slipping of the tyre. Am I correct or incorrect? I'm no expert so I might just be over thinking.

Apart from that, the chain sprocket makes a little periodic noise like "Click click click click". A friend told me that the NS has this problem, but the svc guy said that I should change the set. How much can a sprocket set affect in the balancing of a bike? Because in all this accidents, had I been able to manoeuvre the bike better, I may have avoided the fall.

Any logical help would be appreciated. No puja. No nimbu-mirch mala. No sell the bike.

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Hi I have the same feeling while breaking the 200ns. the Euroslips shows there nature as soon you apply pressure on the brake lever.

I have changed the tyre of my discover 135 sports to mrf and after this Change i have not faced a single slip till date and the bike become more stable and provide full control even at speed of 105




My advice to change the tyres as soon as possible to mrf. I have not met any accident because I know that the Euroslips can show there nature very soon if we are not careful and I apply brake from.a good distance.my bike (200ns) also pulls to the both side at slow speed

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Mrf tyre

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I own a ZMR..

Regarding the headlights, i dont think it has anything to do with your accidents. If in city, ride with low beam to help yourself visible for the person in front of you. Because high beams can blind the person if he looks thru his RVM..

Regarding puja? I dont believe in those stuffs too.. i just got my mom to do prayers as she believes in all that stuff..

Regarding the handle bar.. you can get the cone sets tightened.. check for scratches on the fork rod..

Regarding the chain. Check the slack. Better take the bike to a local mechanic just for inspection as they know better than the giys at the service center. Take the suggestion from the local mechanic and get that done from the ASC. Being a open chain.. the sound tends to be loud so to me that sounds normal. Get the chain lubricated every 500kms with a proper chain lube and not oil.. remember, oil attracts dirt..

Regarding tires, serious threat to the rider.. get the Euro grips changed ASAP

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Religion is the enemy of the intellect.

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[MENTION=10927]Mark[/MENTION], I think you need to ride single for some more time and get comfortable with your bikes behaviour before you do pillion on city streets at such speeds. Don't ditch your bike just because of accidents- first maintain your bike well, good engine oil, good brakes and good tyres, then get to know it's where its good and where its not so good and work around those areas.
Its the person who is driving who causes accidents not the bike, right.