In case of indian bikes
Try a LB500 for its 4.1KGM of torque
it just pulls and pulls(speaking in comparison to all indian bikes).

Torque all the way...

Its more of a personal preference for me. I like the initial rush that comes in the low end..I would prefer MT01 like torque monster to a screaming, high-revving gixxer any day..which means I am naturally a big fan off those V-twins...Power is basically a function of torque, power=torque X RPM (If you see the Dyno readings showing torque and power, things are very clear),
That is why these supersports and superbikes rev so much(and let out that glorious wail) when producing so much power at the top end-that is excellent when you or on atrack or a staright road doin somethin near the top speed, But on day-to-day rideability torque rules and I basically agree with what niks_devil666 says...

This article is very interesting, have a look:
Total Motorcycle - Beginner's Guide to Motorcycling - Section 6 1/2

CC is important but what is more important is the delivery of the output...Yes, they say "no replacement for displacement" but it is possible - and there are so many examples of lower capacity engines producing more power than the higher capacity ones..CC matters but it's not the only thing that matters.

(Feel free to correct me if what I have said is incorrect)

@Pradeep but its only on the paper....it cant even climb a steep incline which a splendor can do it easily,we have checked it with my bullet and also with my friends bike..

now u really dnt mean that do you

i guess a combination of torque and HP is important to keep the bike revving hard yet not putting too much load on the engine

Since we are saying basically the same thing, i guess it is correct.

I have seen otherwise , a Bullet towed a Hero Puch from 'malsi dear park' (Dehradun) to Mussourie , 25-30 kms on one of the steepest hill roads , two people on Bull , two on the Puch.

i have seen a bullet pull maruti omni

And I have pulled a bullet with a caliber on more than one occasion

that ain't my quote dude

i own a Bull and i sure as hell know bout its pullin power

Well the way you wrote without quotes it surely looked like yours.Anyways fixed now

thank u dear moderator aryan,

dear abhijeet080808,
ok i'll award you a 200/200 marks(lol), seems like a exam presentation.
seriously saying nice compilation. anyway i would like to put a question for u . is that toruqe starting from lower revs= healthy horse power ?

bro niks_devil666,
i remember your post and ur contributions pre-crash of xbhp server, the same name u have registered after crash . am i correct?
how do u say that better acceleration is related to torque ? do u have any detailed statements to prove that . all other points u have provided is perfect .

biker bro @ insanebiker,

thanks for that .just name ,dont go in for a deep meaning of that

"The more power / CC the more stressed the engine would be.
The lesser the power / CC the more relaxed the engine would be - Perfect for touring"

for the above what u have quoted , i can accept this statement only for a certain extent.
a splendour can soon become exhausted where as a zma r or pulsar 150-220 can much up miles as easy as possible.

anyway if u have any counter statement for which i claim kindly quote in!

Yup the same one, even on other forums if you find this id , its still me

Why I say torque is -you would ask this question when comparing 'similar' bikes and then I would pick the one which has the max torque because of the reasons stated.For eg. I would choose MT01 over R1 even if the MT01 has less than 100 horses compared to the 180 of the R1.
Edit: And better acceleration in terms of 0-60 , 0-100 , with similar CC , similar BHP machines

Simply put, All the 3 terms are closely related. Increase in cc will most often, result in increasing power & torque.

If they don't correlate with each other, it maybe due to 2 reasons :--> Tuning & Technology.

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@ above Guys: Torquey machines help NEITHER in acceleration, NOR in Top Speeds, compared to revving engines...

Take examples of those competition 600s, the quickest & fastest. and then compare them to KTM Duke 690 or Ninja 650 ...

See, Torquey machines don't rev too high. Moreover, a flatter torque curve ensures that the progress between, for example-> 2 krpm & 3 krpm is very low ...

On a Sports bike however, the torque curve is peaky. Result: Both Torque & rpm start charging high, increasing power rapidly.

This power can be translated to High Acceleration OR More Top Speed, WHATEVER ONE PREFERS, by Gearing/ Transmission System.


However, Torquey bikes might still win, from 0-20 or 0-40 kmph. In some cases, 0-60 too. Specially, when gear ratios are close and the first gear is tall.

--> For me, anything with Rev Limiter below 9000 rpm, is not worth it, in any role - NOT even Indian roads.
Because, it maybe torquey and even powerful, but for this setup, you need a bigger engine, more cc's, which results in more weight, like MT-01.

For me, a bike with "acceptable" lower end torque, with more high end power is good enough!

dear AnuragAshok,

14-17 bhp is far decent and enafe for city rides, lower than that is a cumbersome issue considering only city conditions and not other environment.

14-17hp is also fairly decent for mildly inclined roads, problems occur and performance will be problem only on highly steep inclined roads

dear bro @ TomRider
u cannot group cc with power , a low cc engine can develop a healthier power. power and torque comes under same roof, with a lower cc healthier torque and power u can out run a higher cc with same torque and power capability of the earlier said.

@ spiderweb

which vechile do u think can outrun a zma r on a drag race?
if ur going to give the answer , kindly put up the specs(only cc, power, torque)

dear friend @ pradeep reddy,
bullets are called as torque machines, no one will blaber something on paper and do nothing with machines.if u have old model bullet then u would have been experiencing the weight to power ratio problem. but the new age bullets are more monstorous none can match its charishma
if u have a valid proof of your statement kindly furnish !
bro @hitanshu
cars "OFF-TOPIC" (LOL)
GETZ , hitanshu u have given the typical example of power,torque relationship and its importance in one valuable proof
i'll define this as road rocket , so is it called all over india .

dear bikerman @ spiderweb,

are u saying about power to weight ratio, modern age bullets dont have this problem anymore. to experience it fully go for test drive of thunderbird twinspark.
i'll traded-in my p220 for this thunderbird twinspark. a problem free life and live the life the god's way

dear bikerdude @ praveensuchindar,

seems u have pen'ed the exact formula for the relation
power=torque X RPM (If you see the Dyno readings showing torque and power, things are very clear),
perfect explanation , this is what i call class leading explanation with proof

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dear @ akshay,

pls avoid one liner reply! put in your detail explanation let every one know about your experience and knowledge.
don't take the above seriously , just take it cool

The sad fact is that most indian motorbikes can't demonstrate the same as efficiently as a 5 sec ride pushed into the seat of a pete'd Getz

Why give any other wishy washy examples!