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**iSCSI** · 11-04-2009, 07:36 PM

cough..cough...pollution!
You wont save or use up a lot of petrol but if you and hopefully others turn off at signals...you will surely save your lungs.
we might spend over 15 minutes a day in traffic jams and signals...directly breathing CarbonIWILLKILLYOUoxide........ isnt that a good enough reason to turn off the engine?

**shabbarak** · 11-04-2009, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by niks_devil666 View Post

BTW , Why would you ever switch off the bike. Indian bikers are like sand in bottle filled with marbles. in a 60s stop , we take more than 45 seconds to fill up every spot in between the cars and ricks. Switching off for remaining 15 secs doesn't make sense.

ha ha nicely said .

**thaker1985** · 11-04-2009, 09:01 PM

I dont mind the petrol wasting much..I shut off the engine, for the simple reason that it gets some time to cool itself... and yeah, think about it, if most of us would switch of our engines,waiting at the traffic signal would be a much peaceful, bearable situation... less noise, less smoke..

**jd666** · 11-04-2009, 09:56 PM

its good to switch off the engine to give it time to cool off, and also to reduce pollution and save fuel

But keep a good 5-7 seconds window in hand, when you switch on the engine, and let it idle, so that the oil flow resumes again. I have seen some people switch off their engine, and then as soon as they start the engine, go full on the revs. That is unnecessary, and actually can damage, before the oil circulation is in full flow. Not that there is no oil left, but still.

**monty007** · 11-05-2009, 09:29 AM

i always switch my bike off if w8ing is more than 20 secs..

no sense if wht petrol get used or wasted..this can decrease polution for sure if all obey this...so TOWARD SOCIAL SENSE

**MavericK46** · 11-05-2009, 09:37 AM

@Tibby: Id have to disagree on the varied fuel consumption when the kick lever is used as against the starter. If anything, the starter motor is more efficient in cranking the engine

I tend to switch the engine off, if there's roughly 20 secs or more (Like Santa pointed out, in Bangalore some signals clock even 3 minutes

). And I start her up when there's about 5-10 secs left.

**tibby** · 11-05-2009, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by MavericK46 View Post

@Tibby: Id have to disagree on the varied fuel consumption when the kick lever is used as against the starter. If anything, the starter motor is more efficient in cranking the engine

Yeah! Maybe you're right.. I had read this somewhere, but obviously its open to exploration.. I can't seem to remember where I had read this.. Let me put my grey cells into some action, maybe it helps if i can recollect the source..

@All: Any idea about the kick starter vs electric starter fuel consumption confusion? (Or is it a myth I read somewhere

)

**rockrider** · 11-05-2009, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by jd666 View Post

its good to switch off the engine to give it time to cool off, and also to reduce pollution and save fuel

But keep a good 5-7 seconds window in hand, when you switch on the engine, and let it idle, so that the oil flow resumes again. I have seen some people switch off their engine, and then as soon as they start the engine, go full on the revs. That is unnecessary, and actually can damage, before the oil circulation is in full flow. Not that there is no oil left, but still.

agree with you totally.

Besides if you arent able to start the bike in time, you would waste 2-3 secs more of people waiting to go. Say you blocked 10 vehicles behind you its about 20-30 secs of idling fuel cost. I know I sound gibberish... but for a guy with a 5yr old kick starter, it isnt a bad perspective to have

.

**kaynmantis** · 11-05-2009, 12:15 PM

I don't know how some can switch off for 10 secs waiting. In most traffic, I see motorists starting to move when there's still 8-10 secs for greenlight. I sometimes switch off when its more than 1 minute.

**Binoy** · 11-05-2009, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by niks_devil666 View Post

I switch off the 220 if its more than 10s wait.

Bullet hardly ever , I enjoy the low rev thump and the vibes along with it. But if the stop is more than 40/50s , yes , I switch it off.

BTW , Why would you ever switch off the bike. Indian bikers are like sand in bottle filled with marbles. in a 60s stop , we take more than 45 seconds to fill up every spot in between the cars and ricks. Switching off for remaining 15 secs doesn't make sense.

He he me too...

... i usually find time in spending filling the gaps and to get in front...

Bye the way what is this engine kill switch for??? i know its for engine off, my query is how is it different or any advantage over using the keys for engine off...

**jd666** · 11-05-2009, 01:04 PM

^^ iirc, the engine kill switch disconnects the cdi or ignition coil, to prevent any residual electrical energy that could cause a electric shock. I could be wrong.

In the ThunderBird i was advised to use the engine kill switch always to switch off the bike, and then turn the key to off. Its not gotten spoilt all these years, though i have heard of people whose kill switches go bad, and they go directly to the key switch.

Also it could be useful in putting the bike on park, with the taillight and parking lights on, if you stop in the middle of the road.

**bala_racing** · 11-05-2009, 05:08 PM

I think it is pollution which drives this rule. If all the vehicles are idling at the same time and at the same place the enviroment becomes like hell.

( I remember in a Tamil movie "Kaadhal Mannan", the heroine's father tries to kill himself by switching ON all the vehicles in his closed garage!

).

Also, the idling fuel-air ratio is 1.2-1.5 times higher than the normal economy ratio. That means, more fuel is consumed while idling (without doing any additional work

!). So better to switch-off the engine

.

The biggest question is almost 99.99% traffic signals in India doesn't have a timer display. So, how to guess our waiting time in that signal and switch-off

**Mik** · 11-05-2009, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by niks_devil666 View Post

BTW , Why would you ever switch off the bike. Indian bikers are like sand in bottle filled with marbles. in a 60s stop , we take more than 45 seconds to fill up every spot in between the cars and ricks. Switching off for remaining 15 secs doesn't make sense.

You obviously havn't been stuck in a gurgaon red light on IFFCO or shankar chowk.. even after you are done weaving in, one still waits for 5 minutes.

I used to switch off when i knew i would have to be idle for more than one minute. But i got influenced by that ad, "Bada ho kar cycle repair shop " and have started switching off the moment i stop

**pali** · 11-05-2009, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by Mik View Post

You obviously havn't been stuck in a gurgaon red light on IFFCO or shankar chowk.. even after you are done weaving in, one still waits for 5 minutes.

I used to switch off when i knew i would have to be idle for more than one minute. But i got influenced by that ad, "Bada ho kar cycle repair shop " and have started switching off the moment i stop

hehe same here i switch off invariably whether its 15secs or more..i learnt from this thread that the bike consumes more fuel while cranking it up .. so i think it would be ideal to stay put when the waiting time is lesser than 25-30 secs before going for the kill switch...

**Binoy** · 11-06-2009, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by jd666 View Post

^^ iirc, the engine kill switch disconnects the cdi or ignition coil, to prevent any residual electrical energy that could cause a electric shock. I could be wrong.

In the ThunderBird i was advised to use the engine kill switch always to switch off the bike, and then turn the key to off. Its not gotten spoilt all these years, though i have heard of people whose kill switches go bad, and they go directly to the key switch.

Also it could be useful in putting the bike on park, with the taillight and parking lights on, if you stop in the middle of the road.

Thanks man for the info...

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