i would say pulsar being an indian brand gives a gr8 competition to yamaha, yamaha has a mask of the brand and a rossi to keep it moving and i feel it too much to pay near 1 lakh for a 150 cc vehicle and more than one lakh for just a broad tyred vehicle with a fairing[yes i mean the fairing] when the normal fz is in 74k approx the add a fairin to it n call it fazer n boose up the price n also call it a tourin bike with out even increasing the capacity of fuel tank were as i might jus go for a p220 rather than r15 not only saving some ks
but also more powerful and yamaha has notn yet understood the indians and have taken them for granted so i clearly vote the pulsars are much better than yamahas and i will also rank yamahas value for price is zero i know people cryin over cheap plastic parts and scoops instead of tanks and poor mileage and low pick up and a unsensible price tag but i do accept with the styling of fz

so i wish to make myself clear to vote for pulsars and its is more worth for the monet given and are more durable and no offence to yamaha riders

Correction mate! The fazer costs about 80k OTR aprox and it is 7 K more than the base FZ. Adn it s not just a bike with a wider tyre and a fairing. The FZ is way ahead of the p150s and p180s in the handling department the pulsars do not come close to teh Yammie with handling even with their supeierior power the Pulsars get rings blown around them by Yamahas simply becuase of the handling capabiltes, you can take corners much tighter and the braking is way better. And the styling of the FZ series tahts atleast a couple of generations ahead of what the bajaj boffins can get upto with their Pulsar band wagon. And dont5 the pulsars remind of a milk packet I mean to draw an analogy

1l milk:2l milk: 5l milk :: P150:P180:P220.

It just ends up taking away teh exclusivity of buying a premium product. In looks the p220 s looks almost like the p150 to a layman's eye!

no brand wars.. just read your post and found it little funny

going by your analogy, R1 = 1L milk and R15 = 0.11L milk (similar, isn't it?)

doesn't the new fazer finds itself very much similar to the fz-16; which in turn was very similar to its father, the FZ-1?

wasn't the styling of the pulsar generations ahead of all others (that were present in the indian market) when it was launched?

these were just something which came instantaneously to my mind after reading your post..
~respect and peace~

to add some value to the post, yes, the yamaha definitely is the eye-candy, and the handling part too! but then, you mentioned yourself that the pulsar is the more powerful among the too, and looks ain't that bad either. both have goods and bads, which vary according to the mindset of a rider. not in a mood to compare the two now!

cheers

No mate it's more like R1:Superbike::R15:Superbike replica.

Yes, internationally also the Fazer is the Faired version of the FZ1 and here to the Fazer is the faired version of the FZ again goin by my logic.

FZ1/FAZER: Sexy naked street sports:: FZ16: Sexy Naked street sprots replica.

Considering Indian road conditions and the traffic and the cost factor Yamaha have given us the indian youth great motorcycles that carry the lineage of international legends the R1 and the FZ1 and the R15 and the FZ series are well on their way of getting there in an Indian context.

And now about my like logic a milk packet looks like any other milk packet of whatever capacity and so do pulsars.

This was back in the day mate and Thats why i bought a P180 ug1 back in 2002 could not come to terms with it's handling, overall lack of refinement in build quality, low level of service support and gave it up for a bullet after using it for 18000 kms in 9 months.

Respect peace n Namste to you my freind.

Adding to this YAMAHA s are not just about eye candy they re about building motorcycles with charecter, reliabilty and dependancy. And the youthful eye candy is just the bonus.

The YAMAHA stays ahead.

Just compare Pulsar's history with Yamaha's ! You'll know

Its Indian????? The whole bike was originally designed (including the engine) in Japan by a design consultancy firm. Cut through the P.R. hyperbole, what is to Bajaj's credit is the fact that periodically it has come up with updates and refinements.

i've considered the topic of the thread before hitting the reply button to post all the my posts here

Yes Yamaha

Its Yamaha only

Pulsar is a common bike across india
Just look at the FZ design pulsar cant even stand close to it

ya buddy u r also right and i somewhat accept the point about styling and handling yes its good in handling and breaking i accept but when i saw the fz first i was wondering were the doom was and it was luking a kind of naked ofcourse it attracted many,and coming to ur milk packet theory fz15 is jus a smaller packet of fz1 and r1 is packed small in to r6 and indian packet as r15
and wat about the pick up and performance of fz its lo in pickup wen compared to pulsar and also mileage is pretty less i feel sad when a person gets so much hit in his wallet and still gets hit from all ways and now lets come to r15 yes its good in tracks but the 220cc pulsar is powerful than pulsar and r15 is good in tracks i accept but in streets it cannot beat a 220 and rtr180 is much cheaper than r15 and is powerful too but lets not go to tvs as it is irrelevant of forum and when i get a dent in my tank i can jus get the dent removed but in a fz i should change it completely[plastic toys] and not to mention the price of yamaha spares and i wud not accept dat pulsar is low on handling and pickup but still i wont neglect yami it is also a powerful bik and the advantage of yami is u cud get in to tracks through a yami dealers take care guys drive safely it is not important if its a pulsar or yami wat matter is the biker attitude

anyone wishes to comment?



cannibalism anyone?
You mean street racing? right?
The complete fairing of R15 costs a measly Rs.3500, tank Rs.5500, mirrors 250 each But you yourself said R15 is faster in a track and FZ's handled better than Pulsar What stops bajaj from taking their bike on tracks?

It is the attitude of manufacturer,
Pulsar is into (_________) fill whatever you feel appropriate
Yamaha is into Racing

Yamaha---- Only 150cc bikes....
Bajaj Pulsar-- 135cc,150cc,180cc,200cc,220cc....
Comparing fz with pulsar 150 ug4.5------
fz-14bhp,
1)very plasticky,
2) lacks pickup,mileage,top-end
3)handling too good..
PULSAR 150-15bhp
1)atleast the tank is made of steel.....
2)good pickup,mileage,top-end
3)handling not too good
similarly,FZS, FAZER can also be compared to p150 and p180..
I dont know much about the big bikes like R15 and p220....
But I have seen P220's smoking r15's...

..just read last couple of pages...

...well, first of all, I feel both Bajaj and Yamaha are doing their bit, but yaa, personally I wud prefer a Yamaha bike of today

Anyways, I am not here to give views of who I think is a more youthful brand 'cause its a personal perception and no matter how hard you try, you are going to piss someone off ..and I am not in the mood to reply haha..but I am here to answer some of those who are a bit overboard with the plasticky factor of the FZ!!!

I believe that other than R15, Yamaha has given a fantastic example of a perfect street motorcycle which is fun, competitive, looks fantastic and IS value for money!! Almost everyone dismisses the fact that with fattest front forks and fattest tyres among all Indian bikes, the FZ is still one of the lightest in its category and an amazing handler!!! Bajaj borrowed fatter forks and tyres from 220 and put them into 180 and made it heavier..heavier to handle!! This is what Bajaj needs to learn from Yamaha, or from the japs...i don't care who is prompting who to bring out powerful bikes, I care about a quality product, and today, each japanese offering is ahead, simple!

Well, kudos to Bajaj for making a fastest Indian at a very affordable price, but yeah, it still is not upto the mark in one of the most important segment, handling!! The latest Overdrive reports that the FZ16 beats the naked P220 on 3 different track tests just because of its fantastic handling!! Now that's a shame for Bajaj and its 220, ain't it? I am not asking anyone to believe the mag, 'cause many will not!! But hey, as one of the most popular magazine, Overdrive won't publish shit!!! Anyways, it's not a hidden fact that FZ's handling is second only to R15 or may be RTR, and it will ring rounds around any other Indian bike in city. No questions about that. It just needs a bigger engine in that chassis for me

And I always thought that it was the good old Hero Honda CBZ that started performance biking scene in India, Pulsar only put some sparks & ignited the race in that slow growing segment. Another being Suzuki Fiero.
Both CBZ & Feiro came much before the pulsars were born & they were the reason for Pulsar's birth in the first place.

Also, R15 being beaten by P220 dosent make it a youthful brand, SPEED dosent mean YOUTHFUL...

So among the two, its Yamaha all the way. Nothing matches R15 & FZs in their segment...

^^ ..yes, HH did it with CBZ

This means R1/1000RR/Zx-10R/GSX R-1000/S1000RR/RSV4 is all about plastics too?

and the people complaining about plastics, Hogs have already landed in India and last i heard bulleters were calling us names

^^P-220 is faster than a R15 in straight line, no one is arguing about that