Pulsar 200NS discussion

I wasn't Aware of Transformers that deep thanks a lot for that information
Yes I think the Vyrus with its Hub centered steering is one big example of the same
A bit off track again I mean i have noticed (not sure) the new Aprilia Tuono/Triumph Triple with its Head lamp design its a bit strange and is pointing to same insectoid design in future
Regarding Kawasaki Design Philosophy they had this Ninja Philosophy
where I had read that the Handle/clipons was designed to resemble the Ninjas sword eg:- the Handle bar weight etc but now that design also looks dated and they have moved to Insectoid as you explained but it is getting repetitive so i think as you have mentioned in previous posts the slow and evolving designs of Ducati and Europeans will last long.

But how/what is the future of Indian styling, Bajaj seems to be confused with its stance
First they Introduce stacked Headlamps of European repute then as the market heats up they press the panic button and change the entire design to resemble Japanese bikes (might be to confuse buyers) but the character of the bike remains Indian/European with its chassis its a very confusing as now as it gets clear.

Also the Japanese bikes I think are by looks very suave yet very delicate but the Europeans always resemble something like muscular design 1198 is muscular yet aggressive (correct me if i am wrong) which yells at potential buyers that it can take abuse yet its muscular and delicate at same time for some reason Japanese manufactured bike just show one trait and that is it might be sporty aggressive on outside but inside its very delicate

The Pulsar 200NS design story.

Exclusive: Pulsar 200NS design sketches and details

Hi Nitrosatya, I really like this thread.

Would like to know something. Why can't the concept designs be used for actual production? Whenever I see a concept bike or car, I go "WOW". But when those machines actually come out of production, even though based on the same "concept" design, they have lost that "wow" factor.

I am sure you must have seen beautiful concept cars in Auto-Expo or other such exhibitions. So, it means that they can actually be transformed into a product. Then why make changes to their design.

Coming back to bikes, I was going through the Motoroids link that you had sent and saw the Pulsar200 NS design. Please see the attached picture. What's the problem with this design? Why couldn't they make P200NS actually look like this? This looks bulky and mean. And would have helped Bajaj retain the tag "Definitely Male".

KTM 200 Styling

Hello Satyajit
again am deviating from P200NS topic
But I would like to share some thing i noticed when the KTM 200 was
launched.
The bikes Headlamp design coupled with its Forks (INverted) created a look
of a bull on a rampage,
yet the tank looks out of sorts compared to front when it should have been beefy sure they had power to weight ratio in mind but still,
and again the rear end too looks like its borrowed from RC8

Can you please correct me if i am wrong on the statement above.

Regards

That is the question everybody asks. Why does the concept lose it's attitude when it is production ready?
There are two main constraints.
1:The riding posture verification &
2: Engineering limitations and production costs.

1:RPV:To make the riding posture accessible to as many people as possible. Many parts are altered. Also handling must not be compromised. Hence the bike looses some of it's oomph.

2: Engineering limitations occur when a certain panel/part cannot be stamped at the existing facility. After designing, the engineers must calculate how to manufacture a particular part in a press. Where to put part lines. Part lines are lines which separate two parts. Where to put the screws,etc. Also it must
be easily accessible when servicing.

A concept model doesn't run and has many fake parts.

A very good example is Suzuki B king 1300. When Suzuki made the concept it was mind blowing. But the final product that came out was the GSR600. Suzuki decided they will re make the concept and finally made the B King.

Well the KTM design philosophy is origami styling. Panels should look like they are folded like paper.
But the association with an animal is a natural outcome. The downforce styling with headlight low and tank high is a big inspiration from wild animals. But not sure a bull was an inspiration behind this bike. Urban art and graffiti was the inspiration. Also bright colours and zany graphics.
But the extremely aggressive look is favoured by many now a days.

The KTM Duke 200 was designed by Craig Dent. Under the leadership of Gerald Kiska and Sebastien Stassin of Kiska Design,Austria.

^ I agree with your post. Concepts have to be towed around most of the time as they can't be ridden around.

And yes, Designers and engineers are always in a war against each other. A war that will never end, and neither will ever win.

@ Nitrosatya: Nice initiative there sirrr..
I was following this thread from so long but never thought of posting anything. (As I don't know anything abt it.. ).
But now as the thread is progressing very slowly, I am gonna bump it with my silly question..
I always wondered, what are the air / tank scoops on Yamaha V-max designed for? Can you please help me understand it in detail? Is there any similarity of them with those available on indian bikes..(with regards to the the purpose it serves)? Or Is it something different, something more extended functinality..?

Excellent insight there Nitro...may your tribe increase

^^^ BUMP...!
Or how are they designed to go along with or enhance a bike's overall structure / looks? What all factors are considered?

@nitrosatya: Nice thread and thanks for sharing the information.

I came across this NGO video of the Ducati factory, not sure if this is the right place (or if this was posted earlier) but it sure has some interesting information.

American Hot rod motorcycle.

Instead of copy pasting here:
A treasure trove of design information. YAMAHA Design Cafe.



Yamaha Cruiser: V-max: Category of its own - Page 1

Yamaha Cruiser: New VMAX: Power and Adrenalin - Page 1


Great video! Thanks for sharing!

Many many thanks for the link sir..
I almost had an orgasm while going through the links and pictures..

But I don't understand the relevance of "American Hot rod motorcycle" here.. Can you pls...?

Continuing with the question, isn't it possible to design a fairing with air scoops that will direct the air flow to engine / around the engine to cool it down in case of air cooled engine?

Scoops blow to only one specific location before hitting another or it doesn't; without scoops the cylinder & surroundings are well cooled off. Fins do a better cooling when left open than forced cooling.

Why is such a great thread sleeping...!!?

Came across this one while surfing the net. Thought some expert comments on this design will start a new healthy discussion and the thread may come alive again....

Ecosse Spirit ES1 motorcycle unveiled at Laguna Seca MotoGP - YouTube


Edit: Can someone please educate me how to embed video links in the post....

There is little response to design information on XBHP.

Also if we get a good response to this thread, it might see some action.