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**Xenologik** · 12-10-2008, 08:15 PM

whoops

! edited : i have so much to learn

Killer , sir a few questions from my side

- Im still very much new to this cornering stuff, of course i have Been leaning to take corners in ghats since the bike feels much more controllable.

-however i feel that i always take the wrong line to take the corner, i always been having slowing down in the corner since im shooting out of it.

-the problem with the steering the bike it seems is that i feel the front is going to slide off. Can't figure it out why since im running pretty much new IRC tyres which have barely done 5k kms. I have a cbz-xtreme. and yes my suspension isn't spongy and the rear shockers are stiff as well

-about the leaning position, its it the body weight shifting which actually is supposed to turn the bike around the corner ? and not primarily forceful steering of the handlebars ?

i dont have any pics as of yet to post. ill try to post tomorrow, maybe then you could judge what is exactly wrong with my skills

regards
Sudeep

**Killer** · 12-10-2008, 08:22 PM

@Technocrat - Sorry, i wasnt clear enough. I meant you grip the tank with your legs when you're lean't forward in a straightline / shifting your butt out / braking before the turn, the idea is to keep the pressure off the bars during those times. You will then release the inner leg as you start to fall into the turn but since you have shifted your butt out, your outer thigh will by then support your weight against the tank and prevent you from putting pressure on the bars. These points of your body that are holding you to the bike and keeping pressure off the bars are the "lock-on" points i was refering to in a earlier post

ball of the foot:-

**inder.cool** · 12-10-2008, 08:30 PM

Ohh my god...!!! this thread has become suddenly HEAVY with all the leaning pictures...!!!

Killer, Kedar, Akhil....all done a great job....

Real good lean Akhil on the R1(Just the knee guards are missing, or are you wearning them inside)...!!

Kedar, is this guy from RSA..??

**Killer** · 12-10-2008, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Xenologik View Post

-the problem with the steering the bike it seems is that i feel the front is going to slide off. Can't figure it out why since im running pretty much new IRC tyres which have barely done 5k kms. I have a cbz-xtreme. and yes my suspension isn't spongy and the rear shockers are stiff as well

This could possibly be due to too much air pressure, if the suspension is setup ok as you say then its obviously something on the riding side, these things are hard to pin point by looking at pics on the net.

-about the leaning position, its it the body weight shifting which actually is supposed to turn the bike around the corner ? and not primarily forceful steering of the handlebars ?

It is the 'countersteering force' on the bars that turns the bike. Read this link for more clarity on that. http://www.superbikeschool.com/machi...bs-machine.php

"Steering a motorcycle results from the process of pushing the inside bar forward, the same angle and direction the forks rotate in the steering head bearings. You can also pull on the outside bar. You can do both push and pull. That is what turns it, that is all that turns it with any degree of accuracy, efficiency, quickness or smoothness. That and only that, No B.S.

Keith Code"

**Technocrat** · 12-10-2008, 08:48 PM

Thanks Killer its clear now

Inder- I am not sure but it seems he wasnt as I checked with RSA guys.

**mithun.08** · 12-10-2008, 08:55 PM

@inder.cool:
Rossiter will be late to answer your query

.. yes he was wearing alphi reflex knee guards inside

**inder.cool** · 12-10-2008, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by mithun.08 View Post

@inder.cool:
Rossiter will be late to answer your query

.. yes he was wearing alphi reflex knee guards inside

Thats what i was thinking....the guy owns a R1, has full DSG stuff, Arai helmet....how would he be not having the knee guards....

**Xenologik** · 12-10-2008, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by Killer View Post

This could possibly be due to too much air pressure, if the suspension is setup ok as you say then its obviously something on the riding side, these things are hard to pin point by looking at pics on the net.

It is the 'countersteering force' on the bars that turns the bike. Read this link for more clarity on that. Superbike School :: No B.S. Machine

"Steering a motorcycle results from the process of pushing the inside bar forward, the same angle and direction the forks rotate in the steering head bearings. You can also pull on the outside bar. You can do both push and pull. That is what turns it, that is all that turns it with any degree of accuracy, efficiency, quickness or smoothness. That and only that, No B.S.

Keith Code"

thank you !
well i normally run 1-2 psi lower than the recommended pressures. since i experience good roads with corners only when im doing a relatively bigger ride since i do not have any roads nearby in good condition and suitable corners.

and that countersteering link was excellent ! the experiment with the kwacker 6r was simply

understandable.

shall try out cornering in the morning near DD hills

lemme see.

**MavericK46** · 12-10-2008, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by Xenologik View Post

thank you !
well i normally run 1-2 psi lower than the recommended pressures. since i experience good roads with corners only when im doing a relatively bigger ride since i do not have any roads nearby in good condition and suitable corners.

and that countersteering link was excellent ! the experiment with the kwacker 6r was simply

understandable.

shall try out cornering in the morning near DD hills

lemme see.

We counter steered after all at DD hills the other day then..
Thanks for that link Killer.
Jaw dropping info there.
And i was thinking of trying out counter steering only when i upgrade my machine to something with way wider tyres..!!

**mithun.08** · 12-10-2008, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by inder.cool View Post

Thats what i was thinking....the guy owns a R1, has full DSG stuff, Arai helmet....how would he be not having the knee guards....

He has ditched the DSG and got Alphin leather suit for track

**inder.cool** · 12-10-2008, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by mithun.08 View Post

He has ditched the DSG and got Alphin leather suit for track

Wow...a suit...!!! cool...

Happy Tracking....!!!

**nav75** · 12-10-2008, 11:26 PM

With Killer uncle in a good mood today. Here are some of mine...

Click on the pic to see them in bigger size

**MavericK46** · 12-11-2008, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by mithun.08 View Post

He has ditched the DSG and got Alphin leather suit for track

Err.. Alpinestars eh..?
Or is it alphin itself..?

**nitrosatya** · 12-11-2008, 03:36 PM

@Nav75: nice one bro!

So many good riders here!
Here's mine: I think i leaned more but the photographer clicked late!

Plz give me some tips to improve my cornering!

**hellrider** · 12-11-2008, 04:06 PM

nice info.!

Just now after reading this thread i came to know what type of bending i am curently doing. The same as bending the bike more and keping the weight on the uper side rather than leaning since it helps me more to keep the bike down while bending but i have tried the other style too adopted commonly by rider's and i must say it absolutely is correct dynamically.

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