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  • Originally posted by ARNandal View Post
    Thanks Guru n KB...

    what grease should i be using on the camshaft? what is the specification?

    Guys one doubt..

    Thanks Guru n KB...

    One more thing what grease should i be using on the camshaft? what is the specification?
    no need to put any grease on the camshaft it is lubricated by the engine oil itself a thin coat of engine oil on its surface will do the job

    What would be the difference if i went between 180 Valve clearance and 220's, wouldnt i be experience a more kick in the use of the new camshaft in terms of power because of the new change in timing, or would the compression be high? <am confused here, how can the compression increase with an increase in valve clearance, infact wouldnt it bring a more relaxed delivery of power with a relaxed compression>

    the increase in performance will be the result of increase in compression ratio as the valves remain open for longer allowing more air fuel mixture to enter the cylinder
    (the theory is simple , hold out a tumbler under an open tap for say 5 seconds and
    measure the level of water ,now empty the tumbler and hold it under the same tap for about say 7 sec and again measure the level of water ,it will be more than before , in simple words this is the difference between the stock and longer duration cam)

    Increase in VC can also be done on stock engines right!!? provided we are knowledgeable enough to implement a new timing...and that would bring correct compression or proper complete combustion. Am i right?
    if so the same would be the case here right!!?, Higher VC would compensate the increase in compression brought by the new camshaft bringing more usable power....
    or am i going stupid?..

    Yes you are right you are going nuts....... if you increase the valve clearance which will reduce the performance not to mention it will cause tappets to clatter.....
    If you want to keep the cr stock then why go for a new cam

    If am right which would be logical the 200's valve clearance or 220's,
    stick to the 180s vc man you are changing only the cam

    will the local mechanics have these gauges ?
    Hmmm.........buy one yourself and show him ,it will probably be the first time he has heard or seen it

    If am right, would mileage be the reason why bajaj didnt try this out?
    Dont think too much.........you will go nuts Just do it

    answers in bold and blue
    Last edited by kb100; 03-20-2011, 02:22 PM.
    Kawasaki KB100/enduro/125 substitute parts list http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/508615-post105.html

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    • Just swap the cam man. Don't think too much. The better engine characteristics are due to increase in valve overlap which ensures that even the clearance volume is cleaned "ALMOST" completely and only the fresh charge is burnt [better scavenging].
      IMO Compression will remain same as the piston, the cylinder and the head all are the same.

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      • cam

        Arnie you seem to be desperately trying to tie yourself into knots.. The cam swap is simple and straight forward...Pavan had done it without fuzz and he can give you all the CORRECT info on this.Go with his suggestions and it will be a piece of cake you will relish..
        When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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        • I have understood all your advices and is very much satisfied to do it.

          But it was an extra thought...

          Like this....

          A stock bore + piston + crank + camshaft + stock VC = stock performance

          Then

          A stock bore + piston + crank + MOD CAMSHAFT + stock VC = Good low n Better mid range

          (The increase in allowed flow time of AFmixture + with increase in speed of strokes leads to this new gain (since camshaft is connected to the crank, approx 2 revolution of CS = 1 rev of Crank ), and an increase in compression ratio )

          So I thought

          A stock bore + piston + crank + MOD CAMSHAFT + increased VC

          [The allowed increase in flow time would be added by the increase in volume (for that previous increase in compression, which might/might make a negligible decrease in compression) hence leading to more volume burnt hence slight increase in power suitable for the top range cruising]

          = a small addition in mid range + improvement in the cruising mode


          And a later addition of NGK CR9EIX+CR8IEX spark plug + msd ignition cables
          would add a much more kick....

          Am i still adding nuts.....?
          Please forgive me.. i couldnt hold myself clearing doubts small manufacturing defect
          Presence of MIND and self CONFIDENCE is the primary aspect You need to be on road, not what brand your riding gears are.
          If you lack these two then DONT

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          • Originally posted by ARNandal View Post
            I have understood all your advices and is very much satisfied to do it.

            And a later addition of NGK CR9EIX+CR8IEX spark plug + msd ignition cables
            would add a much more kick....

            Am i still adding nuts.....?
            Please forgive me.. i couldnt hold myself clearing doubts small manufacturing defect
            The P220 cam will give you better performance at the top end also.Going for Iridium spark plug for performance may not give you much improvement...so is the MSD cable...Do mods one at a time so that you will know which gives you improvement and which doesn't.
            When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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            • @psr... Ok buddy...

              so now waiting for the camshaft mod alone...
              Last edited by ARNandal; 03-20-2011, 09:57 PM.
              Presence of MIND and self CONFIDENCE is the primary aspect You need to be on road, not what brand your riding gears are.
              If you lack these two then DONT

              Feel the pleasure of Ultimate Biking
              __________________________________________

              . . .
              alwayzaLive . . .

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              • Make sure you get the allen bolt that holds the timing sprocket on the camshaft. The 220F cam needs a longer bolt than the one found on our bike.

                Drvmtm and Xionite both asked me about the mod but forgot the bolt. So their mod is still pending. Its been around an year for Dr and some six months for xionite

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                • chinthichu chinthichu kaadu keyarathe bayeee..........

                  just do the cam swap man .....why on earth are you so fascinated about the valve clearance, it has nothing to do with the swap....., and stop going nuts or somebody here will rip off your nuts
                  Kawasaki KB100/enduro/125 substitute parts list http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/508615-post105.html

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                  • @pavan... hanks a lot buddy...


                    @kb bhai...: tat was nice...
                    Presence of MIND and self CONFIDENCE is the primary aspect You need to be on road, not what brand your riding gears are.
                    If you lack these two then DONT

                    Feel the pleasure of Ultimate Biking
                    __________________________________________

                    . . .
                    alwayzaLive . . .

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                    • Was looking for that bolt in my drawer all this time. My desk drawer is really deep with a lot of random stuff just thrown inside.

                      The Allenbolt required for the timing chain sprocket is
                      Part number 5904003

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                      • Thanks a lot Pavan...
                        Presence of MIND and self CONFIDENCE is the primary aspect You need to be on road, not what brand your riding gears are.
                        If you lack these two then DONT

                        Feel the pleasure of Ultimate Biking
                        __________________________________________

                        . . .
                        alwayzaLive . . .

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                        • Originally posted by pavanchirmade View Post
                          Was looking for that bolt in my drawer all this time. My desk drawer is really deep with a lot of random stuff just thrown inside.

                          The Allenbolt required for the timing chain sprocket is
                          Part number 5904003
                          You are a Squirrel aren't you ?
                          When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                          • @psr: squirrel?

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                            • Originally posted by pavanchirmade View Post
                              @psr: squirrel?
                              I guess what @psr means is that you're an instinctive hoarder (squirrels work hard during summer to hoard nuts for winter). Old timer mechanics used to keep loads of small parts, nuts, bolts, used gaskets and even broken tool bits knowing that they might come in handy some day.

                              This is a habit usually found in only those people who make fixing things a way of their life.

                              And as you love to tinker around with engines and machines...take that as a compliment
                              I don't let my motorcycles interfere with my motorcycling...

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                              • Originally posted by Old Fox View Post
                                I guess what @psr means is that you're an instinctive hoarder (squirrels work hard during summer to hoard nuts for winter). Old timer mechanics used to keep loads of small parts, nuts, bolts, used gaskets and even broken tool bits knowing that they might come in handy some day.

                                This is a habit usually found in only those people who make fixing things a way of their life.

                                And as you love to tinker around with engines and machines...take that as a compliment
                                YES absolutely correct...and I am one too.
                                When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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