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  • gixxer_junkie_m
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    Re: Fiero/FieroF2/FieroFx

    Originally posted by P3T3R View Post
    The block piston is now about 2800.


    You predicted this in 2010. We are in 2016 and TVS is just about starting with the Apache 200 that too only carb and no ABS.



    I ended up paying double of that but that included shipping plus an additional head (150 & 180), electric started and few other parts.
    So what's the latest on the re-build? and which option did you go for?boring out the apache150 cylinder? or did you opt for the new 180's cylinder?

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  • P3T3R
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    Re: Fiero/FieroF2/FieroFx

    Originally posted by imjoshee View Post
    Here you go Chief

    RTR 180 block piston : Rs.2375/-
    Cam tensioner : Rs.150/-
    Shaving of the piston to make sure the Outlet valve sits in :Rs.50/-
    FZ Handle : Rs. 150/-
    NGK GPR7E plug : Rs.130/-
    Sprocket set : Rs. 750/-
    Sprocket bearing : Rs. 138/-
    Other misc parts : Rs. 500/-(Oil, bolts etc etc)
    Coldrinks (To beat the heat) :Rs. 20/-
    The block piston is now about 2800.

    Chief: By the time you decide next year for a 180 upgrade, we might even have a 250 Apache
    You predicted this in 2010. We are in 2016 and TVS is just about starting with the Apache 200 that too only carb and no ABS.


    Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
    HELL FOR 4.5K WE CAN BUY A USED RTR ENGINE&GEAR BOX AND PLONK IT IN OUR BIKE'S CHASSIS !!!
    I ended up paying double of that but that included shipping plus an additional head (150 & 180), electric started and few other parts.

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  • P3T3R
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    Re: Fiero/FieroF2/FieroFx

    Originally posted by prd8r View Post
    @ Peter - How is the work coming along? I'm guessing you have finalized what you are keeping/removing from your bike.
    Engine assembly will start tomorrow or the day after. Will plonk in the engine after the 180 and 5S upgrade and ride the bike for a couple of days. Then if it's running fine will strip the bike and start with the rest of the mods. Still need to find the Pulsar front forks and disk assembly.

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  • prd8r
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    Re: Fiero/FieroF2/FieroFx

    Originally posted by prd8r View Post
    Hey all,

    Does the rtr 160/180 open type chain guard fit on the fiero f2/fx swingarm? I mean do the mounting holes line up with the bolts for plug and play?
    I was thinking of getting one but don't want to modify by cutting or adding extra plates, etc.

    Also, I think the leg guard of rtr 160/180 is a direct fit to fiero chassis mounts. If not, do let me know if any pipe bending is required for matching.
    I was thinking of putting a new one so if this fits - I will source it.

    Any info will be appreciated

    Just an update. I asked around to a few local mechs when commuting. They guessed the same. RTR guards may just fit but some cutting could be required. Heard that an enticer one could be perfect too. Sadly, none of those bikes were around or we would have measured those open guards. The search continues No word on leg/crash guards.


    @ Peter - How is the work coming along? I'm guessing you have finalized what you are keeping/removing from your bike.

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  • P3T3R
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    Re: Fiero/FieroF2/FieroFx

    Originally posted by P3T3R View Post

    Here the updated plan.

    1. Buy the Bike: This should be happening today. - Done

    2. General Service: Get the bike working as a stock bike should so I can ride and enjoy it for a while in stock form before doing any mods. This will also include as much de-rusting as possible of the chrome and paint touch up of painted parts followed by a polish. - Plan ditched

    3. Front Disk Brake: As per this thread, I can either go for the F2 unit on the LHS or an Apache unit on the RHS, of course using the F2 hub as I would want to retain the spoked wheels. However I may also consider alloys if i can get a set cheap. What if I go with the Pulsar disk with the Pulsar fork lower tubes. Is it possible and more importantly is it cheaper than the F2 or Apache units? - Will start hunting for a Pulsar set up.

    4. Fairing: The original fairing is missing and replaced by a round dome. My options are; Retain the dome, put an original fairing, or put some other fairing like that of the Flame or Apache. Please suggest. - Still have time for this. On hold for the moment.

    5. Swingarm: This will be done only when the chain is due for changing. My options are the Victor GX, Victor GLX or Apache RTR 160 swingarms. Please suggest. How about the Honda Unicorn's with a monoshock conversion. - On hold for the moment.

    6. Tachometer: I intend retaining the original speedo so want a separate tacho unit. Please suggest.- Already received the below unit.
    [ATTACH]210674[/ATTACH]

    7. Tyres: For the moment shortlisted the Michelin Sirac Street if I'm retaining the spokes. Anything better you can suggest? - Depends on the wheels I'll be using.

    8. Alloys: If and only if something cheap comes by. How much does a set of Apache alloys cost. Can the ones from a Pulsar be fitted? Whats the cost? Any other options. Alloys means most certainly switching to 17" so tyres will need to be decided accordingly. - Will start hunting for a Pulsar set up for disk so will check for alloys too.

    9. Big Bore: Either the Apache 180 or 200 bores and pistons or rebore with a Pulsar 220 piston. Either stock head with some mods or buy the head of the 180/200. Again here cost is a factor so need to select a cheaper option. - Have a spare Apache 150 Engine plus a spare 180 head. The stock piston and bore is gone so was thinking of reboring and fitting a Karizma piston.

    10. BS29 Carburettor: From the Pulsar 200. - Can the stock jets be replaced with larger ones? If not then I'll change the carb.

    11. Oil Cooler: Someone has already done it on an Apache here, so I'll just follow the same procedure. Not very expensive too. - Still have time for this. On hold for the moment.


    12. Paint job: Most probably metallic blue with just the Suzuki and Fiero decals like the first Fiero. The Fiero is further to the rear as compared to the later models with the additional graphics (See photo). Second option is the same theme in black but with a contrasting chassis in orange/blue/red. - Getting the bike dismantled today so will decide shortly.


    13. Clutch / Crankcase covers: This bike is a TVS so the LHS cover is blank and the RHS has TVS. Looking to replace these with the Suzuki ones (See photo). Where can I source them from? - Plan ditched as I'm using the Apache bottom.


    14. 5-Speed Conversion:
    If and when I find an Apache Engine or at least the bottom half of it. This actually makes point no.12 pointless. - Have the Engine already.

    Now of course this Plan of Action depends on various factors like cost, time, availability of parts and the right mechanics to execute the job. This project is not for me to have a really high performance bike (I'm reasonably satisfied with my humble Duke 390) but just to do what can be done to the Fiero and to keep me busy during my leave. Of course I can spend money and get all the jobs done but that's not the point. The idea is to do it in the most cost effective way. I plan do doing it in phases.
    Comments in bold. Planning to start the work today.

    Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
    I have the stock head modified to match the 195cc,so i will post it's pics soon.
    Can you please post the pics.

    On the other hand,if you decide to keep the stock carb,then you can simply install the rtr 160's 105 main-jet and be done with it.
    This will work with the 180 set up right?

    Glx's swing-arm is the one which will need minimal changes of the lot.
    - Victor GX (1240mm)
    - Victor GLX (1260mm)
    - Fiero F2/FX(1270mm)
    - Apache 150(1260mm)
    - Apache RTR 160/FI(1300mm)
    - Flame (1320mm)
    - Apache RTR 180(1326mm)
    Looks like the Victor GX is the same as the Fiero.

    Originally posted by P3T3R View Post
    2. Big Bore: Tentatively decided on the RTR 180
    - Bore kit (Bore, piston, rings and gaskets)
    - Cam Chain tensioner
    - Stock head to be matched on the lathe (can someone post a pick of a stock head and one matched to the 180 Bore)
    - RTR head is another option (photo please so I can see the difference)

    62mm bore= 175cc.(RTR160 bore kit)
    62.5mm bore =177cc (RTR180 bore kit)
    63.5mm bore = 183cc (CBZ classic piston)
    65.5mm bore = 195cc (ZMA piston)
    67mm bore = 204cc (P220 piston)
    Mechanic said he knows a guy in Mysore who can rebore the existing block (Apache 150) and port and polish the head (Apache 150). He will get me a quote tomorrow.
    I already have an Apache 180 Head and the 180 Block & Piston costa Rs.2800/- so will check which is a cheaper option.

    Exhaust mods
    Does anyone have a good free flow exhaust design. I have a guy who can fabricate if given a design.
    Last edited by P3T3R; 08-10-2016, 10:43 PM.

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  • prd8r
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    Re: Fiero/FieroF2/FieroFx

    Hey all,

    Does the rtr 160/180 open type chain guard fit on the fiero f2/fx swingarm? I mean do the mounting holes line up with the bolts for plug and play?
    I was thinking of getting one but don't want to modify by cutting or adding extra plates, etc.

    Also, I think the leg guard of rtr 160/180 is a direct fit to fiero chassis mounts. If not, do let me know if any pipe bending is required for matching.
    I was thinking of putting a new one so if this fits - I will source it.

    Any info will be appreciated

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  • prd8r
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    Re: Fiero/FieroF2/FieroFx

    Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
    It's not your bike alone which has had this problem.it's common with all p220 bikes after ASC changes the oil during first service.

    If thicker oil strains the pump,then as we all know, tvs has installed higher capacity pump in latest rtr's,so why is it then that tvs has changed over to thinner oils for the rtr's after the pump change,instead of going for w50 oils?
    The reason is opposite to that of what you believe.TVS changed the pump to a higher capacity one,so that they can use thinner oil.So our fiero and earlier rtr's are better suited to using w40 or thicker oils.That means using w50 is actually better for our rides.

    Oh, interesting about the differences in pumps in rtrs and fieros. However, the real pain is finding 20w50 MINERAL oil in Bombay. Don't know why, but not all the stockists retail it. All the shops I asked, don't have 20w50 oils - they have it in synth and semi-synth but none in mineral It's a strange problem. And online all the big Cos like Shell, Gulf, Motul, etc are putting up on their website that they make the grade

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  • abhilashabhi12
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    Re: Fiero/FieroF2/FieroFx

    Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
    It's not your bike alone which has had this problem.it's common with all p220 bikes after ASC changes the oil during first service.

    If thicker oil strains the pump,then as we all know, tvs has installed higher capacity pump in latest rtr's,so why is it then that tvs has changed over to thinner oils for the rtr's after the pump change,instead of going for w50 oils?
    The reason is opposite to that of what you believe.TVS changed the pump to a higher capacity one,so that they can use thinner oil.So our fiero and earlier rtr's are better suited to using w40 or thicker oils.That means using w50 is actually better for our rides.
    Well I changed over to motul 3100 gold 20w50. Good thing is motul has 1150ml pack specific for 200/220 😃

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  • gixxer_junkie_m
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    Re: Fiero/FieroF2/FieroFx

    Originally posted by abhilashabhi12 View Post
    It's good for nothing oil. I believe it has more to do with ASCs mixing or some chutiyapa with oils as I had not faced any issues which came factory filled.

    Just 500kms already engine seems harsh and gear shifts are very hard
    It's not your bike alone which has had this problem.it's common with all p220 bikes after ASC changes the oil during first service.
    Originally posted by prd8r View Post
    Me neither. Reason I checked with y'all is to know how it is. Actually, I'm searching the market for a good mineral 20W50 oil. Mak, Motul, Gulf, Shell, etc have been shortlisted, but trouble is that they are all hard to find. I have no idea why. Till now, I have used 20W40 of these Cos, but I'm dying to use heavier grade now because of the benefits attached to it. So, hopefully, I do find the product.

    Any idea if 20w50 will over-strain/load the oil pump of the fiero? The rtr 180 oil pump puts out more oil per rpm, so TVS has done R&D on that feature. But out older fieros' oil pumps have lesser capacity per rpm when compared to rtrs.

    Also, will 20w50 give good cold start in this rainy or winter weather? I know it will be better in summer or hot climates. Just wondering how performance will be with current monsoon conditions of India? Oil may be more viscous as per lower temperature at start-up.
    If thicker oil strains the pump,then as we all know, tvs has installed higher capacity pump in latest rtr's,so why is it then that tvs has changed over to thinner oils for the rtr's after the pump change,instead of going for w50 oils?
    The reason is opposite to that of what you believe.TVS changed the pump to a higher capacity one,so that they can use thinner oil.So our fiero and earlier rtr's are better suited to using w40 or thicker oils.That means using w50 is actually better for our rides.

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  • abhilashabhi12
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    Re: Fiero/FieroF2/FieroFx

    Originally posted by prd8r View Post
    Me neither. Reason I checked with y'all is to know how it is. Actually, I'm searching the market for a good mineral 20W50 oil. Mak, Motul, Gulf, Shell, etc have been shortlisted, but trouble is that they are all hard to find. I have no idea why. Till now, I have used 20W40 of these Cos, but I'm dying to use heavier grade now because of the benefits attached to it. So, hopefully, I do find the product.

    Any idea if 20w50 will over-strain/load the oil pump of the fiero? The rtr 180 oil pump puts out more oil per rpm, so TVS has done R&D on that feature. But out older fieros' oil pumps have lesser capacity per rpm when compared to rtrs.

    Also, will 20w50 give good cold start in this rainy or winter weather? I know it will be better in summer or hot climates. Just wondering how performance will be with current monsoon conditions of India? Oil may be more viscous as per lower temperature at start-up.
    Nothing to worry man, I found W50 much better here in Bangalore for me, Only thing is you will have to take it slow initial 1Kms until the engine reaches its optimum temperature.

    I suggest you go for Shell advance 20W50, You can find them in all their petrol station outlets.

    Originally posted by P3T3R View Post
    Has anyone tried the oils from Indianoil (Servo), Bharat Petroleum and Hindustan Petroleum? I heard that lot of the other brands just buy the oil from these 3 and package them. You pay extra for the fancy name and packing.
    No Idea about this

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  • P3T3R
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    Re: Fiero/FieroF2/FieroFx

    Has anyone tried the oils from Indianoil (Servo), Bharat Petroleum and Hindustan Petroleum? I heard that lot of the other brands just buy the oil from these 3 and package them. You pay extra for the fancy name and packing.

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  • prd8r
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    Re: Fiero/FieroF2/FieroFx

    Me neither. Reason I checked with y'all is to know how it is. Actually, I'm searching the market for a good mineral 20W50 oil. Mak, Motul, Gulf, Shell, etc have been shortlisted, but trouble is that they are all hard to find. I have no idea why. Till now, I have used 20W40 of these Cos, but I'm dying to use heavier grade now because of the benefits attached to it. So, hopefully, I do find the product.

    Any idea if 20w50 will over-strain/load the oil pump of the fiero? The rtr 180 oil pump puts out more oil per rpm, so TVS has done R&D on that feature. But out older fieros' oil pumps have lesser capacity per rpm when compared to rtrs.

    Also, will 20w50 give good cold start in this rainy or winter weather? I know it will be better in summer or hot climates. Just wondering how performance will be with current monsoon conditions of India? Oil may be more viscous as per lower temperature at start-up.


    Originally posted by abhilashabhi12 View Post
    I have never tried mak and I am 90% sure neither did gixxer. Is it any good ?

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  • abhilashabhi12
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    Originally posted by P3T3R View Post
    What's the problem with it?
    It's good for nothing oil. I believe it has more to do with ASCs mixing or some chutiyapa with oils as I had not faced any issues which came factory filled.

    Just 500kms already engine seems harsh and gear shifts are very hard

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  • P3T3R
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    Originally posted by abhilashabhi12 View Post
    am already sick n tired of bajaj dtsi oil
    What's the problem with it?

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  • abhilashabhi12
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    Originally posted by prd8r View Post
    That's great to hear. Yeah, those oils will be better. I feel 20W50 is required there too. Have you or Gixxer tried Mak 4T 20W50 by any chance?
    All good here as of now from me and my bike's side.
    I have never tried mak and I am 90% sure neither did gixxer. Is it any good ?

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