KTM RC 200 Owners Experience Thread

[BiKeLovER]

re: KTM RC 200 Owners Experience Thread

ok the Bike was picked up and the good part is a 2 guys from R&D are coming over to check what went wrong.

It's good that they are not only concentrating on fixing the problem but making sure what went wrong.

Cheers I hope all goes well.

[s1d]

re: KTM RC 200 Owners Experience Thread

I did do that looking at some 390's having same issue, but this occurred after 450 ODD Km's.

@hackernewbie @Balgi @Ajay Vishwanath @s1d

Did any of you faced any similar issues ???

here is something i posted earlier http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...ml#post1105004

After putting up a mail with KTM Just got a call from them saying where can they pickup the bike, I was like you can fix it.

But what is the assurance you can give me it won't happen again. :P

I own a d200, and i had an issue with the gear shift shaft on the first day itself. The clutch side had to be opened and the gear shift shaft (the rod on which the gear linkage came off for you) had to be replaced. remember this was just after 2km on the odo.. because the actual gear lever was not getting back (spring action that returns the lever to its normal position) in place after a shift and used to be 'stuck' and needed a nudge to be brought back to normal position.
Your though looks like a different issue where it came apart at the linkage outside, probably due to vibes /or bad assembly.
This is the part that was replaced for me:


Ktm will tell you bullshit, but don't budge have them fix it (preferably in your presence) and make sure you get a job card done (they may do it with no job card) and while taking it back from repair, pls make a note on the job card yourself saying that you 'will observe and let you know at first service' -- DO NOT acknowledge immediately that the issue is resolved. Also take a copy of the job card and keep it.

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ok the Bike was picked up and the good part is a 2 guys from R&D are coming over to check what went wrong.

It's good that they are not only concentrating on fixing the problem but making sure what went wrong.

that is the biggest joke my friend, for my issue too they sent some 'engineer' .. and he gave me more bullS*** saying 'sir there was nothing wrong with the shift shaft' and i was like :
1. So why did the issue occur ? It was confirmed by the mechanics and the in store service supervisor.
2. Are you telling me that i do not know how to shift gears ? If so please ask your service supervisor about the question he asked me when he sat behind me while driving (the service supervisor who came with me to get a full tank fuel on delivery asked me
SS: sir, have you taken and sbk school training ?"
me: to which i was confused and said 'i cant afford that dude, but why are you asking me'
SS: No sir, you are doing rev matching and shifting gears.. not many people know about it or do it
me: sir i just picked up the habit myself a long time ago.. back then i did not know the technical term for it.

3. what kind of insepction or QC is done at the factory ? The bike i received had 0 on the odo and there were around 4 'OK' stickers near the gear shift and one 'engine tested' sticker.
Do you just apply the stickers for time pass or do some real testing ? If so, this issue should have been easily spotted. (he was like they check it on roller bench, to which i replied.. even then they should have spotted it)

That guy just mumbled some apology and went away... at least the mechanics had more 'customer service and friendliness'. So do not have hopes on them, they will just try to push the ball away.
In fact right now I am waiting for a call from them to have the front brake pads replaced under warranty (they make an annoying loud squeal when hot and while braking at slow speeds).

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ok the Bike was picked up and the good part is a 2 guys from R&D are coming over to check what went wrong.

It's good that they are not only concentrating on fixing the problem but making sure what went wrong.

that is the biggest joke my friend, for my issue too they sent some 'engineer' .. and he gave me more bullS*** saying 'sir there was nothing wrong with the shift shaft' and i was like :
1. So why did the issue occur ? It was confirmed by the mechanics and the in store service supervisor.
2. Are you telling me that i do not know how to shift gears ? If so please ask your service supervisor about the question he asked me when he sat behind me while driving (the service supervisor who came with me to get a full tank fuel on delivery asked me
SS: sir, have you taken and sbk school training ?"
me: to which i was confused and said 'i cant afford that dude, but why are you asking me'
SS: No sir, you are doing rev matching and shifting gears.. not many people know about it or do it
me: sir i just picked up the habit myself a long time ago.. back then i did not know the technical term for it.

3. what kind of insepction or QC is done at the factory ? The bike i received had 0 on the odo and there were around 4 'OK' stickers near the gear shift and one 'engine tested' sticker.
Do you just apply the stickers for time pass or do some real testing ? If so, this issue should have been easily spotted. (he was like they check it on roller bench, to which i replied.. even then they should have spotted it)

That guy just mumbled some apology and went away... at least the mechanics had more 'customer service and friendliness'. So do not have hopes on them, they will just try to push the ball away.
In fact right now I am waiting for a call from them to have the front brake pads replaced under warranty (they make an annoying loud squeal when hot and while braking at slow speeds).

[BiKeLovER]

re: KTM RC 200 Owners Experience Thread

here is something i posted earlier http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...ml#post1105004



I own a d200, and i had an issue with the gear shift shaft on the first day itself. The clutch side had to be opened and the gear shift shaft (the rod on which the gear linkage came off for you) had to be replaced. remember this was just after 2km on the odo.. because the actual gear lever was not getting back (spring action that returns the lever to its normal position) in place after a shift and used to be 'stuck' and needed a nudge to be brought back to normal position.
Your though looks like a different issue where it came apart at the linkage outside, probably due to vibes /or bad assembly.
This is the part that was replaced for me:
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Ktm will tell you bullshit, but don't budge have them fix it (preferably in your presence) and make sure you get a job card done (they may do it with no job card) and while taking it back from repair, pls make a note on the job card yourself saying that you 'will observe and let you know at first service' -- DO NOT acknowledge immediately that the issue is resolved. Also take a copy of the job card and keep it.

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that is the biggest joke my friend, for my issue too they sent some 'engineer' .. and he gave me more bullS*** saying 'sir there was nothing wrong with the shift shaft' and i was like :
1. So why did the issue occur ? It was confirmed by the mechanics and the in store service supervisor.
2. Are you telling me that i do not know how to shift gears ? If so please ask your service supervisor about the question he asked me when he sat behind me while driving (the service supervisor who came with me to get a full tank fuel on delivery asked me
SS: sir, have you taken and sbk school training ?"
me: to which i was confused and said 'i cant afford that dude, but why are you asking me'
SS: No sir, you are doing rev matching and shifting gears.. not many people know about it or do it
me: sir i just picked up the habit myself a long time ago.. back then i did not know the technical term for it.

3. what kind of insepction or QC is done at the factory ? The bike i received had 0 on the odo and there were around 4 'OK' stickers near the gear shift and one 'engine tested' sticker.
Do you just apply the stickers for time pass or do some real testing ? If so, this issue should have been easily spotted. (he was like they check it on roller bench, to which i replied.. even then they should have spotted it)

That guy just mumbled some apology and went away... at least the mechanics had more 'customer service and friendliness'. So do not have hopes on them, they will just try to push the ball away.
In fact right now I am waiting for a call from them to have the front brake pads replaced under warranty (they make an annoying loud squeal when hot and while braking at slow speeds).

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that is the biggest joke my friend, for my issue too they sent some 'engineer' .. and he gave me more bullS*** saying 'sir there was nothing wrong with the shift shaft' and i was like :
1. So why did the issue occur ? It was confirmed by the mechanics and the in store service supervisor.
2. Are you telling me that i do not know how to shift gears ? If so please ask your service supervisor about the question he asked me when he sat behind me while driving (the service supervisor who came with me to get a full tank fuel on delivery asked me
SS: sir, have you taken and sbk school training ?"
me: to which i was confused and said 'i cant afford that dude, but why are you asking me'
SS: No sir, you are doing rev matching and shifting gears.. not many people know about it or do it
me: sir i just picked up the habit myself a long time ago.. back then i did not know the technical term for it.

3. what kind of insepction or QC is done at the factory ? The bike i received had 0 on the odo and there were around 4 'OK' stickers near the gear shift and one 'engine tested' sticker.
Do you just apply the stickers for time pass or do some real testing ? If so, this issue should have been easily spotted. (he was like they check it on roller bench, to which i replied.. even then they should have spotted it)

That guy just mumbled some apology and went away... at least the mechanics had more 'customer service and friendliness'. So do not have hopes on them, they will just try to push the ball away.
In fact right now I am waiting for a call from them to have the front brake pads replaced under warranty (they make an annoying loud squeal when hot and while braking at slow speeds).

Thanks Mate.

After reading your post in RC390 about the engine noise i am scared now.

Because today when i took out the bike in the morning i felt the there was some engine noise for sure.

But again felt that i am thinking too much it is just a slipped gear pedal.

I need to check the engine noise today before i take back the bike in my hand..........

[BiKeLovER]

re: KTM RC 200 Owners Experience Thread

Thanks Mate.

After reading your post in RC390 about the engine noise i am scared now.

Because today when i took out the bike in the morning i felt the there was some engine noise for sure.

But again felt that i am thinking too much it is just a slipped gear pedal.

I need to check the engine noise today before i take back the bike in my hand..........

Update : They said they are replacing the entire gear Shift Assembly and will investigate further on what went wrong with the old assembly.

Secondly they said check out the bike till this weekend and they will come and personally meet for furthur feedback.

Did not got my bike back yet. will update once i get it back. In the meanwhile told the guys to also lubricate the chain as it is about to cross 500KM.

And boy it is expensive here in pune they said 225 RS for chain cleaning and lubrication Darn......

[hackernewbie]

re: KTM RC 200 Owners Experience Thread

Something similar had happened to another RC 200 I had seen here.
The gear shifter came off and the service guys fixed it with fevi-quick in-front of the owner and gave it back to him.

[BiKeLovER]

re: KTM RC 200 Owners Experience Thread

Something similar had happened to another RC 200 I had seen here.
The gear shifter came off and the service guys fixed it with fevi-quick in-front of the owner and gave it back to him.

That is sad for the owner that he accepted it. If the service guy should have come in front of me with that Glue. I should have given him a hard time.

Is that a joke ? how can you just paste it like that it is not a shoe or a broken flask. this is a machine with some serious power can be fatal...

[hackernewbie]

re: KTM RC 200 Owners Experience Thread

That is sad for the owner that he accepted it. If the service guy should have come in front of me with that Glue. I should have given him a hard time.

Is that a joke ? how can you just paste it like that it is not a shoe or a broken flask. this is a machine with some serious power can be fatal...

The small gear-shifter came out and not the connecting rod!
Even then, gluing it is anyway not possible!

[wallpapers123]

re: KTM RC 200 Owners Experience Thread

And boy it is expensive here in pune they said 225 RS for chain cleaning and lubrication Darn......

What??!! At which SVC did you give your bike?? The lubing and cleaning costs 90 bucks and even that is quite expensive and can be done at home in less than half an hour with or without a paddock stand.

[BiKeLovER]

re: KTM RC 200 Owners Experience Thread

What??!! At which SVC did you give your bike?? The lubing and cleaning costs 90 bucks and even that is quite expensive and can be done at home in less than half an hour with or without a paddock stand.

Yeah I know it is not that expensive will recheck the rates.

Update :

After saying this is changed that is changed I am not getting my bike today.

Irritated to the core.....

[s1d]

re: KTM RC 200 Owners Experience Thread

After saying this is changed that is changed I am not getting my bike today.

Irritated to the core.....

Ok, looks like they will be replacing the gear shift shaft on your rc .. the same part that was replaced for me as posted in the pic in my prev post.
Replacing that requires the removal of the clutch side cover, removing the clutch basket and a few other niggles. I suggest you stick around while its being worked upon.
I am surprised to read about so many incidents, and the common part in question here is that shift shaft ! And as i mentioned earlier, the 'engineer' who came to inspect it the next day told me 'saar we did not find anything wrong with the shift shaft' . I simply asked then why was it replaced and why did the replacement work ?
btw, it is not possible for the shift shaft itself to fall off or come out.
PS: KTM goes thru these discussions *waves at ktm engineers* Don't let them out easy demand an explanation and have your comments on the job card and keep a copy yourself.

[Ajay Vishwanath]

re: KTM RC 200 Owners Experience Thread

The customer rep guy came to hyderabad two days ago to Begumpet branch and took all our feedbacks.. I wish I had more time.. I would have literally killed him!!! He wasn't happy when I said that the quality of the tools they provided with the bike are poor.. (I only said that I can break the tools with ease and he was offended.. screw him..)

Not only customers.. but even the showroom folks had a LOT of problems with the company.. guess Bajaj is simply interested in thrusting bikes down their customer's throats and grabbing money..

here's two encounters that happened that day that made me believe that Bajaj's top management is filled with a bunch of completely useless rotten-egg heads.. (I wish I could be more expressive.. but I respect the other readers here.. :P )

Encounter 1:

He : Our bikes are exported all over the world. We are not able to meet the demand. 50% of bikes are for local market & 50% of the bikes are exported.
Me: Sir, I attended the KTM launch & they said that about 70-80% of the bikes will be exported and only 20% is for local market.
He: No.. 99% of the bikes parts are from India only..
Me : WTF!!!! Mind went blank for a second for that answer..
Me: I mean to say that most of the bikes are exported than for local market (loudly and slowly and clearly so that it's audible and my voice resounded through the hall)
He: *nodded his head* *murmuring something* yes sir..

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On one slide the pics of the bikes he was supposed to present:

KTM RC 200 : Pic of a RC with Raceline stickers on it..
KTM RC 390 : Pic of a RC 200 with default stickers!!

What the actual F*CK is wrong with you!!!! You are the PR head for India (not just the state or city!!! for the whole f*ckin country!!!) and you don't even know how the bikes look!!!!

I wish I had the chance to take a pic and show it to you guys.. sadly couldn't but there were many others who were present there..

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He was only talking about RC 390 and not about RC 200.. I had to keep reminding him time and again.. for example,

*Slide pops up*

He: You must use 10 W 50 fully synthetic oil for your bikes..
Me: Sir, I think it's 20 W 50 for RC 200 right?
He: Yes. But you don't need a fully synthetic. It's "just" 200cc.. mineral oil will do.. Fully synthetic is for the 390 coz it's a sports bike with 44BHP..
Me: *WTF!!!!*

The info for RC 200 wasn't even there in any of the slides. 80% of the audience own a RC 200

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Skipping slides quoting "shortage of time" as a reason

Spelling mistakes

Grammatical errors

No uniformity in the presentation/font/text formatting..

Worst presentation ever!!! never expected that crap out of a high level executive!!

Sir, if you are reading this.. (obviously you won't ) Please.. Your customers are not dumb fools who know nothing.. We got more info than you do..

But the presentation wasn't completely useless too..

Q) Why should we not add additional electronic devices??

A) There are already a host of electronic devices that monitor the bike (about 9 sensors) that help the bike maintain itself.

Q) Why is there holes for mud flaps on the front mud guard??

A) They actually wanted to use mud flaps from launch. But due to some issue, they couldn't do that. Hopefully soon the new bikes will have 'em fitted maybe around Jan or Feb when it's made available after testing and trials.

The thing is that the mud flaps simply keep falling off and won't stick..

Q) What is the accurate KMS for servicing?? The booklet shows 6500 Kms.. but the showroom guys fixed mine at 7500 Kms..

A) It's actually 7500 Kms from second service.. Till 1st service it's 1000 Kms.. and every 7500 Kms from there on.. They are trying to get it corrected in the books soon..

That's the only useful info that I could get..

Oh and time management was just amazing.. the meeting was supposed to start at 4.30 and end at 5.30.. The meeting started at 5.30!!!! and there went my day completely wasted..

But I came to know a lot of internal stuff while he was discussing with the dealers that I won't publish it..


Throughout the meeting I was like:

[vishal_soni]

re: KTM RC 200 Owners Experience Thread

Guyzz im confused should i cancel my.booking..n wait ...? As its seems lot of issues arising in.RC

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[manub]

re: KTM RC 200 Owners Experience Thread

Guyzz im confused should i cancel my.booking..n wait ...? As its seems lot of issues arising in.RC

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Dude there are no bikes which are perfect. All bikes have issues. Chill manw

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[Abhi599]

re: KTM RC 200 Owners Experience Thread

I hear the Duke RC series has an aggressive riding position than the likes of R15.Has anyone experienced pain in the wrist,I usually experience pain while going on long trips on my baby R.Share your experiences.

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[Abhi599]

re: KTM RC 200 Owners Experience Thread

Guyzz im confused should i cancel my.booking..n wait ...? As its seems lot of issues arising in.RC

Before receiving the bike you should ensure that the PDI was done by the dealers.You should ask for the PDI check list and ensure that the inspection was performed accordingly.


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