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  • [Ownership Thread]: Karizma ZMR long term ownership review: 1lac km completed.

    Year 2003. Brand Karizma came to existance. The specifications were good and promising considering India was still beginning to grow into performance bikes' culture.
    The bike was a good looker and certainly a magnet for onlookers then. There was no bike that could unsettle it and it saw its share of glorifying days.

    Then came the blow! Bajaj Pulsar 220 DTs-Fi. It made 19 bhp and was certainly a threat. Karizma was already more than a few years old. Hero Honda (now HMC) had to act fast.
    Then HH announced an update to their flagship bike. Obviously, people were excited. But the updates were depressing to say the least. They added an 'R' sticker to the tank & headlamp assy and added a bottom cowl/fairing to the bike. This turned off many enthusiasts.

    In the meanwhile, BAL ditched the Fi and reverted to carb for P220 and upped the ante with 21 bhp and labelled it as the 'Fastest Indian/Hunto'.

    BAL almost killed the HH flagship product in terms of sales. The only saving grace for HH was the engine in the ZMA/R. It wouldn't just die.

    2 more years down the line, Karizma ZMR was launched. It was a faired and supposed to be a more powerful version of the ZMA. People pinned their hopes with the upcoming ZMR and hoped for 21+ bhp AT LEAST! But the specs literally made Karizma loyalists into a mockery and laughing stock for the world.

    The new bike was doomed to fail in the market with bikes like the new R15 which made almost as much power and P220 which was just way too powerful for the ZMA/ZMR.

    But time heals. Slowly, it gained acceptance. The fairing to most is an ugly looking plastic, which I'd agree with; but it does its job really well.
    Tires are skinny, but there are a few options. After all, RE and HH (now HMC) are the only ones not willing to adopt 17 inch wheels.
    -------------------------------

    Now, my story.

    I got my ZMR on 09th January 2011. The ODO was 3 kms. I knew I'd be in Chennai in 20 days as I already had my offer letter in hand. But the waiting period for Pearl While ZMR was over 3 months in AnnaNagar which was near my to-be office in Ambattur. I didn't bother asking any other showroom. Head to my native showroom and they had few ZMRs of which one was white. You see, I come from an Industrial City (Bokaro Steel City) but performance bikes were until recently regarded as a taboo and only spoiled brats rode them.

    So, all in all; I inquired for the bike and got the delivery in 2 hours with the PDI done by my dad. I got handle bar grips, seat cover, bike cover and 8L () petrol as complementary.
    Took the insurance from the dealer himself and it cost me and my dad 99,868 rupees OTR.

    Here's my first pic with the bike.

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    Re: Karizma ZMR long term ownership review: 3 years/41,700+ kms

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    • #3
      Re: Karizma ZMR long term ownership review: 3 years/41,700+ kms

      Thanks for the approval moderator sahib!

      Continuing with my story.

      I rode the bike for 25 odd kms in my native, post which it was transferred by train to Chennai via Vizag. Due to some reason, they unloaded it at Vizag and kept it there for 2 days which sent my blood pressure soaring! But I finally received it in Chennai and I was happy to see it in a fine condition. (It had a scratch on the front fender though)

      I have basically learnt the nuances of riding on this very bike. I knew riding earlier, but the traffic in my native isn't even 2% of CHN/BLR, so what I knew already was pretty much useless.

      I'll list down the various components one by one.

      Run in method followed:

      Followed the manual but not the 4k RPM/50 kmph funda. Varying the rev range within a limit is the secret to a good run in!
      I stuck under 4k RPM till 250 kms when I got the oil changed. Raised it to 5k RPM till I got another oil change done at about 595 kms on the ODO.
      Increased the limit to 6k RPM till I hit 2k kms on the ODO. 6k in 5th = 96 kmph. Hence, I did not cross 95kmph till I hit 2000 kms.

      Design:

      Highly subjective. I don't find it very pleasing looking, but won't term it "fugly" either. Basically the bike is front heavy and skinny stock rear tire makes it even worse!
      Addition of FI did add some zero point six braking ponies, but the fairing weighs a hefty 10 kilo grams.

      End result - extra ponies nullified, in fact the power to weight ratio worsened.

      Weight, riding posture and flick-ability:

      The bike weighs 159 kg (kerb). That should tell it all!
      I'd ridden my dad's Splendor and a peppy Kinetic Zing scooty (63cc) all the while before graduating to this, and I was feeling the weight; literally!
      I remember wrist pain (no, the stance is almost Splendor like, not sporty) due to the front weight acting up on my arms. Flicking the bike in traffic was difficult initially (more compounded since I was newly learning riding in traffic in a metro), but I got used to it in about 3-4 months. Now, it seems like a piece of cake.

      To all who get confused on the headlight assy not moving while taking turns, I'd suggest reading on counter-steering.

      Engine:

      Derived from a detuned Honda CRF 230, this is the most important aspect of the bike. Its a gem.
      It makes 17.6 bhp @ 7000 RPM and 18.3 Nm torque @ 6000 RPM.

      The above spec tells clearly that the low end punch is good, and indeed it is. The bike can be slotted to 5th at 30 kmph and would continue till the top end without any shenanigans.
      Top speed is about 125 kmph true speed and one can often see that happening provided s/he gets an empty runway often!
      It can do about 90-100 kmph all day long without breaking a sweat! Mileage figures are also good for this class of machines with 40+ kmpl being a consistency.

      Engine oils used:
      1. Stock HMC tide water 10w30 oil - used for 3k odd kms before I shifted to Shell AX7 10w40 SS. This oil sucks!!! Price - was 200 odd rupees per liter 3 years back.
      2. Shell AX7 10w40 SS - used for ~5k kms. Great VFM oil. Drain interval is about 2.5k-2.7k kms and works wonderfully. Costs 340 Rs/L.
      3. Mobil1 10w40 FS - used for ~9k kms. It is the best oil till date. There is no better oil for the ZMR than this. The engine remains very cool and silent and keeps munching miles. Downside - costly @ ~1000 Rs/L.
      4. Shell Rimula R3X/R4 15w40 diesel engine oil - used for ~26k kms now. Its the best alternative to Mobil1 at the price of AX7. Bang for buck. But being a mineral oil, drain intervals are usually less than 2k kms. At times, I end up changing the oil twice a month!

      Brakes:

      Karizma has efficient brakes. Nothing to brag about though. It doesn't have the "bite" than R15's has, but its not weak by any standards. The difference people don't understand is that Karizma has progressive brakes by default. You don't get all the bite by merely touching the lever as you get in the Yamaha/KTM ranges, you need to press the lever further.

      This variant has disc brakes on both wheels hence one must be cautious using them. But using only rear brakes is a myth. 80:20 or 70:30 front:rear ratio should be maintained.
      No, using the front brakes won't kill you, there are larger disc rotors up front on bikes for a certain reason.
      The braking systems are from Nissin and they're efficient. Yes, the brake pads are costly (compared to TVS/BAL), but they last longer. If anyone says his pads on a ZMA/R went bust in less than 10k kms, s/he's overusing them!
      I've been following the 80:20 rule ever since I started (well almost). I had this query when I was new to using the bike and got introduced to XBHP.


      Also, I'm extremely happy to say that my 80:20 ratio is proving itself. I have had 4 changes of the front brake pads, the last one being 500 kms ago. The rear ones are still stock. So, hopefully at around 55k odd kms, I'll change them both as the rear pads are still ~5-7 mm thick.

      BTW, each pad costs ~1100 rupees in BLR.

      Seats:

      Sofa for both rider and pillion. 'nuff said!

      Lighting:

      Stock lamps are 35w H4 type halogen head lights (HL) and normal T10 type pilot lamps. LED tail lamps look great OTOH! ZMR has a powerful alternator than can produce up to 238 w of power. So, we can easily fit in a 55w lamp without a relay. Also, the pilot lamps can be upgraded to LEDs. No issues would occur with the battery. Just ensure that the HL are switched on only after switching on the bike first. Trying to start the bike with the HL on would kill the battery of course!

      I have upgraded to Osram Night Breaker 55w halogen lamps and 5w pilot projector LEDs with a 40 LED corona ring than runs as DRL. All of this without any relay on the stock battery!

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      Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
      ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
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      • #4
        Re: Karizma ZMR long term ownership review: 3 years/41,700+ kms

        Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
        Thanks for the approval moderator sahib!

        Continuing with my story.

        I rode the bike for 25 odd kms in my native, post which it was transferred by train to Chennai via Vizag. Due to some reason, they unloaded it at Vizag and kept it there for 2 days which sent my blood pressure soaring! But I finally received it in Chennai and I was happy to see it in a fine condition. (It had a scratch on the front fender though)

        I have basically learnt the nuances of riding on this very bike. I knew riding earlier, but the traffic in my native isn't even 2% of CHN/BLR, so what I knew already was pretty much useless.

        I'll list down the various components one by one.

        Run in method followed:

        Followed the manual but not the 4k RPM/50 kmph funda. Varying the rev range within a limit is the secret to a good run in!
        I stuck under 4k RPM till 250 kms when I got the oil changed. Raised it to 5k RPM till I got another oil change done at about 595 kms on the ODO.
        Increased the limit to 6k RPM till I hit 2k kms on the ODO. 6k in 5th = 96 kmph. Hence, I did not cross 95kmph till I hit 2000 kms.

        Design:

        Highly subjective. I don't find it very pleasing looking, but won't term it "fugly" either. Basically the bike is front heavy and skinny stock rear tire makes it even worse!
        Addition of FI did add some zero point six braking ponies, but the fairing weighs a hefty 10 kilo grams.

        End result - extra ponies nullified, in fact the power to weight ratio worsened.

        Weight, riding posture and flick-ability:

        The bike weighs 159 kg (kerb). That should tell it all!
        I'd ridden my dad's Splendor and a peppy Kinetic Zing scooty (63cc) all the while before graduating to this, and I was feeling the weight; literally!
        I remember wrist pain (no, the stance is almost Splendor like, not sporty) due to the front weight acting up on my arms. Flicking the bike in traffic was difficult initially (more compounded since I was newly learning riding in traffic in a metro), but I got used to it in about 3-4 months. Now, it seems like a piece of cake.

        To all who get confused on the headlight assy not moving while taking turns, I'd suggest reading on counter-steering.

        Engine:

        Derived from a detuned Honda CRF 230, this is the most important aspect of the bike. Its a gem.
        It makes 17.6 bhp @ 7000 RPM and 18.3 Nm torque @ 6000 RPM.

        The above spec tells clearly that the low end punch is good, and indeed it is. The bike can be slotted to 5th at 30 kmph and would continue till the top end without any shenanigans.
        Top speed is about 125 kmph true speed and one can often see that happening provided s/he gets an empty runway often!
        It can do about 90-100 kmph all day long without breaking a sweat! Mileage figures are also good for this class of machines with 40+ kmpl being a consistency.

        Engine oils used:
        1. Stock HMC tide water 10w30 oil - used for 3k odd kms before I shifted to Shell AX7 10w40 SS. This oil sucks!!! Price - was 200 odd rupees per liter 3 years back.
        2. Shell AX7 10w40 SS - used for ~5k kms. Great VFM oil. Drain interval is about 2.5k-2.7k kms and works wonderfully. Costs 340 Rs/L.
        3. Mobil1 10w40 FS - used for ~9k kms. It is the best oil till date. There is no better oil for the ZMR than this. The engine remains very cool and silent and keeps munching miles. Downside - costly @ ~1000 Rs/L.
        4. Shell Rimula R3X/R4 15w40 diesel engine oil - used for ~26k kms now. Its the best alternative to Mobil1 at the price of AX7. Bang for buck. But being a mineral oil, drain intervals are usually less than 2k kms. At times, I end up changing the oil twice a month!

        Brakes:

        Karizma has efficient brakes. Nothing to brag about though. It doesn't have the "bite" than Rq5's has, but its not weak by any standards. The difference people don't understand is that Karizma has progressive brakes by default. You don't get all the bite by merely touching the lever as you get in the Yamaha/KTM ranges, you need to press the lever further.

        This variant has disc brakes on both wheels hence one must be cautious using them. But using only rear brakes is a myth. 80:20 or 70:30 front:rear ratio should be maintained.
        No, using the front brakes won't kill you, there are larger disc rotors up front on bikes for a certain reason.
        The braking systems are from Nissin and they're efficient. Yes, the brake pads are costly (compared to TVS/BAL), but they last longer. If anyone says his pads on a ZMA/R went bust in less than 10k kms, s/he's overusing them!
        I've been following the 80:20 rule ever since I started (well almost). I had this query when I was new to using the bike and got introduced to XBHP.


        Also, I'm extremely happy to say that my 80:20 ratio is proving itself. I have had 4 changes of the front brake pads, the last one being 500 kms ago. The rear ones are still stock. So, hopefully at around 55k odd kms, I'll change them both as the rear pads are still ~5-7 mm thick.

        BTW, each pad costs ~1100 rupees in BLR.

        Seats:

        Sofa for both rider and pillion. 'nuff said!

        Lighting:

        Stock lamps are 35w H4 type halogen head lights (HL) and normal T10 type pilot lamps. LED tail lamps look great OTOH! ZMR has a powerful alternator than can produce up to 238 w of power. So, we can easily fit in a 55w lamp without a relay. Also, the pilot lamps can be upgraded to LEDs. No issues would occur with the battery. Just ensure that the HL are switched on only after switching on the bike first. Trying to start the bike with the HL on would kill the battery of course!

        I have upgraded to Osram Night Breaker 55w halogen lamps and 5w pilot projector LEDs with a 40 LED corona ring than runs as DRL. All of this without any relay on the stock battery!
        I will soon be preparing the Long Term Ownership for my bike too.. 4 years of Ownership.. and I agree with everything you said above. except the immortal Rear Disc Pads. How in the world?? I will be changing the front disc pad the 4th time this coming weekend. the rear ones too need replacement i guess this will be the 3rd time I am going to replace the rear disc pads.. and I have munched less road on my bike compared to you, but still 32000 kms is pretty decent for the daily commuting I do of just 7 kms per day

        Happy for you buddy.. Wish you many more miles munching with this lovely bike of yours
        Splendor - 2k to 2006
        Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
        P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
        Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
        ZMR - 2010 to Forever
        RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
        Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
        RayZ - 2015 til now
        Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


        Delhi to Narkanda
        Delhi to Coimbatore
        Delhi to Nepal

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        • #5
          Re: Karizma ZMR long term ownership review: 3 years/41,700+ kms

          Wow. Great right up bro. Liked it. Wishing you many more miles
          Ride, ride and ride.. But always do it responsibly..

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            Re: Karizma ZMR long term ownership review: 3 years/41,700+ kms

            Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
            I will soon be preparing the Long Term Ownership for my bike too.. 4 years of Ownership.. and I agree with everything you said above. except the immortal Rear Disc Pads.
            Lol for the pads. And thanks for the compliments.

            Originally posted by Ivin View Post
            Wow. Great right up bro. Liked it. Wishing you many more miles
            Thanks bro. The report isn't over yet and I'll post the remaining soon.
            Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
            Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

            Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
            Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
            ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
            P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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              Re: Karizma ZMR long term ownership review: 3 years/41,700+ kms

              a question for Divya ... ... Bro if you want to take new ZMR who will you pick earlier model or the coming soon modelll... i dont know but i love this current ZMR model.. ... what you have to say

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                Re: Karizma ZMR long term ownership review: 3 years/41,700+ kms

                Originally posted by jammbuster View Post
                a question for Divya ... ... Bro if you want to take new ZMR who will you pick earlier model or the coming soon modelll... i dont know but i love this current ZMR model.. ... what you have to say
                I'd frankly wait to see the new one in flesh first. Remember, most people hated (and still hate) the current ZMR too from the pics. Moreover, the new ZMR has 2.5 bhp extra which would give some handy top end too.
                Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                • #9
                  Re: Karizma ZMR long term ownership review: 3 years/41,700+ kms

                  Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                  I'd frankly wait to see the new one in flesh first. Remember, most people hated (and still hate) the current ZMR too from the pics. Moreover, the new ZMR has 2.5 bhp extra which would give some handy top end too.
                  But i dont like new ZMR taillight... it looks that someone has POKE OUT HIS HIPS.... hehehehe

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                  • #10
                    Re: Karizma ZMR long term ownership review: 3 years/41,700+ kms

                    Report contd...

                    Tires:

                    OE front - 80/100-18 MRF Zapper FS TL type. Decent tires. No change needed to a different spec/brand. Zapper FY (Passion XPro OE front) can be used too.
                    OE rear - 100/90-18 MRF Zapper Y TL type. Shittiest tires on earth. Change to a better tire with center grooves. ZMR can accommodate 110 mm section tires without ANY mods.

                    I used the stock rear tires for 15k kms somehow. Then I upgraded to Pirelli Speed Demon 110/90-18 TL tire. Cost me 2850 rupees then. (2012)

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                    Its a lovely tire and grips like leech in dry conditions. Wet grip is much better than stock too. Being soft-medium compound, the life is very less and it is puncture prone. I was lucky I got only 1 puncture in the ~19k kms I used it and that was when I changed the tire (the nail was so big it killed the tire).

                    PSDs have a huge demand as well as a lot of fakes are seen around, hence I avoided it the second time. I opted for MRF.

                    MRF Zapper Q 110/90-18 TT.

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                    Grip levels - 80% of PSD on dry tarmac, similar to PSD in the wet! Me happy. Using it for roughly 8k kms now. Cost me 2300 rupees. (depends on one's bargaining skills)

                    Points to note and major consumables:

                    1. RVMs get loosened frequently. Carrying an Allen key size 6 would be good.

                    2. Avoid over tightening the visor bolts as they immediately start cracking the visor.

                    3. Lubing the chain every 500 kms (summer/winter) or 200 kms (rains) and cleaning every 3k kms enhances sprocket life. Also, chain should have optimum play. Neither too loose, nor too tight!

                    4. Change spark plugs every 12k kms for optimum performance. One can use NGK G power plugs. Costs 170 rupees. Avoid Iridium and Spitfire cables. They're marketing gimmicks for our mopeds.

                    5. Change the air filter every 10k kms. Reduce the intervals if you live in very dusty regions.

                    6. Engine oil drain intervals:
                    a. Mineral oil - 1500-1800 kms
                    b. Semi synth - 2500-2800 kms
                    c. Fully synth - 3500-4000 kms.

                    7. Clutch plates - depends upon usage. I'm still on stock clutch plates.
                    Clutch plates + pressure plates cost 1500 rupees.

                    8. Removing the snorkel is an option for increasing the sound like a K&N equipped bike but without the damages to the engine.

                    9. Some owners of earlier batches suffered with fuel pump issues. It costs 12k rupees.

                    10. Cone set - replaced 200 kms back. Costs 340 rupees.

                    11. Fork oil - replace every 20-25k kms. Both forks. Cost me 180 rupees + labor.

                    12. Mileage: Lowest - 37 kmpl and highest - 57+ kmpl.

                    Always wear your helmet (and full gear if possible) and fly safe. Bon voyage!
                    Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                    Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                    Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                    Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                    ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                    P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                    • #11
                      Re: Karizma ZMR long term ownership review: 3 years/41,700+ kms

                      Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                      I got handle bar grips, seat cover, bike cover and 8L () petrol as complementary.
                      From the dealer or from your dad?

                      Very detailed review of your Kari, Divya bhai. One query, haven't you faced any issues yet with your bike bearing JH registration and running for over 3 years in BLR?

                      Biking is not about how many Km/h you put on your Speedo. It's about how many miles you put on your Odo. Ride Safe, Ride Long!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Karizma ZMR long term ownership review: 3 years/41,700+ kms

                        Originally posted by bbsrailfan View Post
                        From the dealer or from your dad?

                        Very detailed review of your Kari, Divya bhai. One query, haven't you faced any issues yet with your bike bearing JH registration and running for over 3 years in BLR?
                        From the dealer of course!
                        No issues now with the JH registration. I paid LTT here and applied for a refund from JH. I didn't want to change my bike's reg. no though.

                        And thanks for the appreciation.
                        Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                        Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                        Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                        Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                        ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                        P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                        • #13
                          Re: Karizma ZMR long term ownership review: 3 years/41,700+ kms

                          Awesome review of the bike and also quite a lot of info.

                          While Hero bike looks bad in pictures but when viewed straight on in actual they look much better to us and most important thing is that all Hero bikes have super seats and comfort.

                          When the ZMR was launched then i didn't also like it but when i first saw it i was actually surprised. At that time i had the Joy and no extreme and while returning from college i was standing at traffic light when a ZMR pulled at the side of me and i was awestuck by the size of it. The most funny thing was the bike was being ridden by a skinny guy of aroung 5' 6" hardly will be weighing 50 kg. Man that bike just felt huge compounded with that small guy.

                          I felt that this the bike that will perfectly match my frame. But at that time i didn't ride a ZMR as none of my friends have it. A friend was having a KARIZMA R but his bike was maintained so badly that i never ever asked him for a test ride. A friend had a CBZ EXTREME and i use to ride it sometimes and loved a lot to its explosive power delivery.

                          So in 2011 when i bought a bike then bought an extreme but in the showroom i was looking at the ZMR standing and madly grinning at it. The salesman also tried to force me into buying the ZMR but i was short on money and i didn't want to take a loan. Moreover i was not ready to buy R as it had carburettor while ZMR had FI. So i bought a CBZ extreme and also i like the extreme for its punchy power delivery and also quick acceleration. But i miss the ZMR low end torque and touring capability.

                          Rest said i am quite happy with the CBZ extreme and after 6k rpm the grin widens like crazy. But after riding the Joy i feel that ZMR is perfect upgrade to my Joy because of the un-hurried nature and the torque. The extreme just begs to be revved and feels better while revving.

                          And you have said some good points and these are not confined to ZMR only but to all Hero bikes as they build their bikes that way only.

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                          Awesome review of the bike and also quite a lot of info.

                          While Hero bike looks bad in pictures but when viewed straight on in actual they look much better to us and most important thing is that all Hero bikes have super seats and comfort.

                          When the ZMR was launched then i didn't also like it but when i first saw it i was actually surprised. At that time i had the Joy and no extreme and while returning from college i was standing at traffic light when a ZMR pulled at the side of me and i was awestuck by the size of it. The most funny thing was the bike was being ridden by a skinny guy of aroung 5' 6" hardly will be weighing 50 kg. Man that bike just felt huge compounded with that small guy.

                          I felt that this the bike that will perfectly match my frame. But at that time i didn't ride a ZMR as none of my friends have it. A friend was having a KARIZMA R but his bike was maintained so badly that i never ever asked him for a test ride. A friend had a CBZ EXTREME and i use to ride it sometimes and loved a lot to its explosive power delivery.

                          So in 2011 when i bought a bike then bought an extreme but in the showroom i was looking at the ZMR standing and madly grinning at it. The salesman also tried to force me into buying the ZMR but i was short on money and i didn't want to take a loan. Moreover i was not ready to buy R as it had carburettor while ZMR had FI. So i bought a CBZ extreme and also i like the extreme for its punchy power delivery and also quick acceleration. But i miss the ZMR low end torque and touring capability.

                          Rest said i am quite happy with the CBZ extreme and after 6k rpm the grin widens like crazy. But after riding the Joy i feel that ZMR is perfect upgrade to my Joy because of the un-hurried nature and the torque. The extreme just begs to be revved and feels better while revving.

                          And you have said some good points and these are not confined to ZMR only but to all Hero bikes as they build their bikes that way only.
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                            Re: Karizma ZMR long term ownership review: 3 years/41,700+ kms

                            Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                            Thanks for the approval moderator sahib!

                            Continuing with my story.

                            I rode the bike for 25 odd kms in my native, post which it was transferred by train to Chennai via Vizag. Due to some reason, they unloaded it at Vizag and kept it there for 2 days which sent my blood pressure soaring! But I finally received it in Chennai and I was happy to see it in a fine condition. (It had a scratch on the front fender though)

                            I have basically learnt the nuances of riding on this very bike. I knew riding earlier, but the traffic in my native isn't even 2% of CHN/BLR, so what I knew already was pretty much useless.

                            I'll list down the various components one by one.

                            Run in method followed:

                            Followed the manual but not the 4k RPM/50 kmph funda. Varying the rev range within a limit is the secret to a good run in!
                            I stuck under 4k RPM till 250 kms when I got the oil changed. Raised it to 5k RPM till I got another oil change done at about 595 kms on the ODO.
                            Increased the limit to 6k RPM till I hit 2k kms on the ODO. 6k in 5th = 96 kmph. Hence, I did not cross 95kmph till I hit 2000 kms.

                            Design:

                            Highly subjective. I don't find it very pleasing looking, but won't term it "fugly" either. Basically the bike is front heavy and skinny stock rear tire makes it even worse!
                            Addition of FI did add some zero point six braking ponies, but the fairing weighs a hefty 10 kilo grams.

                            End result - extra ponies nullified, in fact the power to weight ratio worsened.

                            Weight, riding posture and flick-ability:

                            The bike weighs 159 kg (kerb). That should tell it all!
                            I'd ridden my dad's Splendor and a peppy Kinetic Zing scooty (63cc) all the while before graduating to this, and I was feeling the weight; literally!
                            I remember wrist pain (no, the stance is almost Splendor like, not sporty) due to the front weight acting up on my arms. Flicking the bike in traffic was difficult initially (more compounded since I was newly learning riding in traffic in a metro), but I got used to it in about 3-4 months. Now, it seems like a piece of cake.

                            To all who get confused on the headlight assy not moving while taking turns, I'd suggest reading on counter-steering.

                            Engine:

                            Derived from a detuned Honda CRF 230, this is the most important aspect of the bike. Its a gem.
                            It makes 17.6 bhp @ 7000 RPM and 18.3 Nm torque @ 6000 RPM.

                            The above spec tells clearly that the low end punch is good, and indeed it is. The bike can be slotted to 5th at 30 kmph and would continue till the top end without any shenanigans.
                            Top speed is about 125 kmph true speed and one can often see that happening provided s/he gets an empty runway often!
                            It can do about 90-100 kmph all day long without breaking a sweat! Mileage figures are also good for this class of machines with 40+ kmpl being a consistency.

                            Engine oils used:
                            1. Stock HMC tide water 10w30 oil - used for 3k odd kms before I shifted to Shell AX7 10w40 SS. This oil sucks!!! Price - was 200 odd rupees per liter 3 years back.
                            2. Shell AX7 10w40 SS - used for ~5k kms. Great VFM oil. Drain interval is about 2.5k-2.7k kms and works wonderfully. Costs 340 Rs/L.
                            3. Mobil1 10w40 FS - used for ~9k kms. It is the best oil till date. There is no better oil for the ZMR than this. The engine remains very cool and silent and keeps munching miles. Downside - costly @ ~1000 Rs/L.
                            4. Shell Rimula R3X/R4 15w40 diesel engine oil - used for ~26k kms now. Its the best alternative to Mobil1 at the price of AX7. Bang for buck. But being a mineral oil, drain intervals are usually less than 2k kms. At times, I end up changing the oil twice a month!

                            Brakes:

                            Karizma has efficient brakes. Nothing to brag about though. It doesn't have the "bite" than Rq5's has, but its not weak by any standards. The difference people don't understand is that Karizma has progressive brakes by default. You don't get all the bite by merely touching the lever as you get in the Yamaha/KTM ranges, you need to press the lever further.

                            This variant has disc brakes on both wheels hence one must be cautious using them. But using only rear brakes is a myth. 80:20 or 70:30 front:rear ratio should be maintained.
                            No, using the front brakes won't kill you, there are larger disc rotors up front on bikes for a certain reason.
                            The braking systems are from Nissin and they're efficient. Yes, the brake pads are costly (compared to TVS/BAL), but they last longer. If anyone says his pads on a ZMA/R went bust in less than 10k kms, s/he's overusing them!
                            I've been following the 80:20 rule ever since I started (well almost). I had this query when I was new to using the bike and got introduced to XBHP.


                            Also, I'm extremely happy to say that my 80:20 ratio is proving itself. I have had 4 changes of the front brake pads, the last one being 500 kms ago. The rear ones are still stock. So, hopefully at around 55k odd kms, I'll change them both as the rear pads are still ~5-7 mm thick.

                            BTW, each pad costs ~1100 rupees in BLR.

                            Seats:

                            Sofa for both rider and pillion. 'nuff said!

                            Lighting:

                            Stock lamps are 35w H4 type halogen head lights (HL) and normal T10 type pilot lamps. LED tail lamps look great OTOH! ZMR has a powerful alternator than can produce up to 238 w of power. So, we can easily fit in a 55w lamp without a relay. Also, the pilot lamps can be upgraded to LEDs. No issues would occur with the battery. Just ensure that the HL are switched on only after switching on the bike first. Trying to start the bike with the HL on would kill the battery of course!

                            I have upgraded to Osram Night Breaker 55w halogen lamps and 5w pilot projector LEDs with a 40 LED corona ring than runs as DRL. All of this without any relay on the stock battery!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Karizma ZMR long term ownership review: 3 years/41,700+ kms

                              Originally posted by VIJAY BHUYAN88 View Post
                              A VERY GOOD/DETAILED REVIEW \m/_
                              Thanks a lot. Hope it helps members.
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