And Peter Lenz surely did not die due to this. He fell on the the warm up lap and was hit by a bike following him.
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It does not matter at all how they are lined up on the grid. The starts have not been a problem, its the sheer number of bikes. Most of the pile ups this year have been in the tight corners right after the start.Originally posted by prabhubravo View Post
And Peter Lenz surely did not die due to this. He fell on the the warm up lap and was hit by a bike following him.
Yes, thats correct and he was a 12 year old kid.Originally posted by sumit.pannalall View PostAll riders fall; some get back on, some don't, some can't...
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may be I should re-sentence my point.
When we have 3 per row in the starting grid, the lead distance between the riders will be more, so the pile up on corners might be less. since piling up is less, the rider behind him will have more space to alter his line and hence avoid a collision.
Regarding, Peter L's incident, I got confused with the other crash that I saw in youtube, where a bike will be stalled and the riders behind him will crash on him.Last edited by prabhubravo; 09-06-2010, 06:28 PM.
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I feel that the worst happened because it was one of the fastest corner (240 kmph)....also redding and angelis were too close, at such a high speed that they couldn't take any evasive action......further as they were coming out of the corner they were accelerating hard.....makes it difficult to control....had their speed been lower...they might have been able to brake/avoid...Originally posted by prabhubravo View Postmay be I should re-sentence my point.
When we have 3 per row, in the starting grid, The lead distance between the riders will be more, so the pile up on corners might be less. since piling up is less, the rider behind him will have more space to alter his line and hence avoid a collision.
few races back Dovi crashed in the middle of the track.....Rossi went between his bike and him and further hayden and spies avoided him too....there the speed was low and they had some space between them....
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well to be honest from all your comments made. Motorcycle racing is always and will always be a risky sport. not for the faint hearted. no one likes these things to happen but the do. tracks go through pages of inspection and so does the off track 'clinica Mobile' that is there for riders in case of emergency. there are choppers to air life the injured to a hospital close by. all tracks need to have a hospital in approximation from the track. but then there are circumstances like these.
i remember Senna in F1. that was my first year of watching F1 as a kid my first whole season. and then that happened.
Naggai a Japanese superbike rider. he was one of the first japs that annihilated the likes of Foggy and Slight in japan and was threating for that year championship slipped onto Oil left by one of the ducati i think and crashed. he passed away 2 days later.
D. Katoh. i dont need to say it. WSS Brands hatch Craig Jones. i dont like watching it and then reading the news the next day with a sad announcement like these.
there have been incidence in other forms of Motorcycle championships everything has changed but the risk is till the greatest.
no matter what you change this sport will always take back what it gives to us motorheads.
therefore we enjoy this sport and respect each and every rider on that grid, hence we dont call anybody names. so we dont regret it one day.
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Kato was THE most gifted rider & with him on a factory Honda the results & championships would be very different.Originally posted by soulstation View PostD. Katoh. i dont need to say it. WSS Brands hatch Craig Jones. i dont like watching it and then reading the news the next day with a sad announcement like these.
CJ, I was watching the race and the way Jonathan Green & Steve Martin were yelling...I still get misty eyed remembering that incident.
Thanks to all who risk their lives to entertain us.therefore we enjoy this sport and respect each and every rider on that grid, hence we dont call anybody names. so we dont regret it one day.
God Speed
On another(bright) note--
Can we hope to see Toni Elias jump on to Moto GP bikes again?
The way he slid on corners and entered in the Catalunya GP(his maiden victory with KR & VR) was awesome to say the least.
^^Would love to see him racing for Ten Kate WSBK team
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Toni has been linked with Suzuki to make a come back in MotoGP class next year. But it is more of a speculation than concrete news.Originally posted by sheelpriye View PostOn another(bright) note--
Can we hope to see Toni Elias jump on to Moto GP bikes again?
The way he slid on corners and entered in the Catalunya GP(his maiden victory with KR & VR) was awesome to say the least.
^^Would love to see him racing for Ten Kate WSBK team
He has been known for asking huge sums of money as his salary when he was in MotoGP
which is one of the reasons of him not getting a ride even though he performed reasonably better than many other riders in MotoGP at that time.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he won at Estoril, not Catalunya...His RC211V got a better drive out the final long right and out-gunned Vale's M1 on the straight to the finish line, beating him by the tiniest of margins...Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post
On another(bright) note--
Can we hope to see Toni Elias jump on to Moto GP bikes again?
The way he slid on corners and entered in the Catalunya GP(his maiden victory with KR & VR) was awesome to say the least.
^^Would love to see him racing for Ten Kate WSBK team"Every Man Dies, But Not Every Man Lives..." - 'Bubba' Blackwell
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Yeah it was estoril.....and he beat Vale by 0.005 secs, Rossi came 2nd, lost 5 points and later when Rossi lost the championship by 5 points onlyOriginally posted by tehBad1 View PostCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he won at Estoril, not Catalunya...His RC211V got a better drive out the final long right and out-gunned Vale's M1 on the straight to the finish line, beating him by the tiniest of margins...
,...I was kinda cracked up that time....Elias hadn't finished any other race in the entire season even in the top 3.....so it could be said that Rossi lost the championship by 0.005 secs 

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tomizawa rest in peace..
crash was horrible.
the rider who was behind tomi who rode his bike over tomi, if this thing was not to happen tomi wold have sufferred only minor injuries..
at one moment of race tomizawa was leading..
dani pedrosa is in full form now.. rossi after the injury never stood first, lorenzo is a consistent rider.. dani also crashed many times in previous gp's but not so severe..
i feel if the bike skids and the rider and the bike is away frrom the track after skidding he suffers only minor injuries.
its better to be on the track side gravels and pebbles rather to be on the track. because the rider behind the crashed rider will definitely ride over the crashed rider..
caparossi and ducati rider nicky also crashed after the colision between tem ..ADRENALINE PUMPS, SOUL FLY'S, WHEN I AM ON MY 2 WHEELS
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Though regulatory but interesting developments happening over the incident:
Source:http://motomatters.com/news/2010/09/...ate_tomiz.htmlThe Rimini prosecutor's office (the Italian equivalent of a district attorney, or crown prosecution service) is to investigate the events surrounding the death of Shoya Tomizawa during Sunday's Moto2 race at Misano. The prosecutor is to investigate whether any of the parties involved in the crash can be regarded as culpable for the tragic death of the Japanese rider in any way. Charges of "culpable homicide" (equivalent to criminally negligent manslaughter in Anglo-Saxon law) are being brought against persons unknown during the extent of the investigation.
According to the Italian press agency ANSA, an autopsy is to be performed on Tomizawa to determine whether the fact that a corner worker charged with carrying Tomizawa from trackside to the ambulance slipped in the gravel and fell, dropping the stretcher Tomizawa was on and allowing the Japanese rider to fall on his head, was a contributing factor to Tomizawa's death. The decision to move Tomizawa had been made by one of the medical officials, who had determined that Tomizawa was not breathing and needed to be put on a respirator as soon as possible, which the nearby ambulance contained. The marshalls were charged with moving Tomizawa to the ambulance as quickly as possible.
The investigation will further seek to determine whether medical attention was provided in a timely and adequate manner, and whether the course of action followed was the best one to take under the circumstances. The Italian traffic police have already examined the scene of the accident, as is normal practice for such events.
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no big deal brother...happens to the best of us...I was confused myself because I've always known you to have your facts rightOriginally posted by sheelpriye View PostIt indeed was Estoril, I confused Portugal with Catalunya(Spain).
Cheers,
J."Every Man Dies, But Not Every Man Lives..." - 'Bubba' Blackwell
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R.I.P Shoya Tomizawa | Smith column Blog | MotoGP News | Sep 2010 | Crash.Net
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