yes my friend this is hard and this is the reason hero motors is buying this from another firm. engine is still under testing and royalenfield is the 2nd company which wants the same engine for their bikes.

So they are buying it !!!

Okay,basic engine lay out is tech that can be bought,no big deal(many Indian companies had done it before)...........but optimizing it on a bike is where the company RD would do the pioneering job.

hence it goes without saying,Royal Enfield bike would be differently configured than the Hero bike,even though they may run the same engine basics.

stop dreaming *ians,
i have already....
it was hard to say, sorry mods,
but its too much for a power releasing sticker company ....
there is nothing like santa kids...........

Every time I hear people criticizing things when something is first in the market, I'm always reminded of the legendary Henry Ford's invention.

When Henry Ford invented an "auto" mobile, people made fun of it saying, how could something move on its own without horses? Now the same country has one of the highest number of cars in the world

If a smooth, vibration free, effecient 400 cc Diesel motor can be plonked to a motorcycle that turns a decent pulling power, then, its a definite success & like someone rightly commented, will pull out the brains of Mr.Jairam Ramesh.

Without knowing who is the engine supplier for HH based out of Chennai, its too early to comment anything.

they need balls and some chest hairs to come ahead with such a product...

Are they going to hump a girl from the 80s film industry?

I have been a hero honda fan boy for a long time. My first bike is a splendour + which still runs smoothly. I would think twice before i bad mouth them for what they have been doing lately.

Munjals will lunch 3 wheelers as well with KARIZMA engine see this--

Post-split, Hero group to bring in 3-wheelers - The Economic Times

It's already late for them to have lunch!!

Jokes apart, This is showing the desperateness of HH to explore new avenues so as to increase their revenue/profitability because i think they have come to realize their position post the split.

How fast can your 150cc go..?

going ot, sorry.
read my post carefully bro, i am never against any company nor a fanboy of any, but how much times same engine was/is being used in different bikes??(leaving sticker jobs aside)
for how many years only 100cc were produced??
they need a strong, tried and tested base to copy and paste(like cd100 ).may be its too early to say but we can just hope for a detuned product, 400cc and that too diesel, not that easy.

Past performance need not necessarily constitute how they will carry forward. They were producing 100cc for several years because the entire market was being flooded only with 100cc including Escorts, BAL & TVS. Remember, they were the first ones to introduce 100cc 4S in India.

May be you didn't talk against HH, but you could've expressed things in much better English.

Fully agree with aargee

@ insane_x97. Its not only HH who were producing 100cc engines for many years, It was all of them Escorts, TVS, Bajaj, and if you remember HH broke that 100cc barrier with the CBZ and was then followed by the rest.

Hero Honda Sleek
Hero Honda Street
Hero Honda Joy
Hero Honda Dawn (not the current CD Dawn)
Hero Honda Ambition
Hero Honda CBZ (the classic one, though not failed miserably, but ultimately it had to be put down)




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i own a Hero Honda Joy and although it is a failed bike i would like to say it fares better than many successful models. my bike has run for 2.4 lacs km and a total of two engine overhaul has been undertaken. never ever it has even punctured on a trip. even today it is returning a mileage of 78-80 km pl and it is still at its original paint and looks like a 6 months old bike. i have seen 110 on speedo and have spent zero on body. even a single bulb hasn't fused.
it doesn't matter whether a model is succesful or not but how it serves the end user is important. even if it is succesful what is the use if u keep running for niggling problems. my bike is 10 years old.
although how much all hate hero Honda no one can match the reliability of it . that is the reason why it sells because at the end of day you would require a bike which doesn't gives any problem.
p.s- even though it is a failed model i think it is one of the best that hero honda has ever produced.

Obviously that's the reason why HH is number 1

Necessity is the mother of invention...........and without the cutting edge technology of Honda,Hero would definitely stop shaving their chest hairs and grow them like a strong truck driver and would bring the diesel engine out of their hood.

I beg to differ,there had been 100cc+ engines before the CBZ:
1.Bajaj RTZ125 and KB125
2.TVS-Suzuki Shaolin (140cc)
3.Escorts Yamaha- Rajdoot(175cc),RX135(135cc)
and many other models...........only that they were all 2-strokes and Hero Honda never ever delivered a 2T to the best of my knowledge.

Also,Royal Enfield employed 350cc 4T engines on their bikes even before Hero Honda released their Sleek

Hero Honda CBZ did rise the benchmark being the 1st 4 stroke 150cc engine in India,but the 100cc barrier had been breached by multiple companies before.

I too have a 1st generation Fiero(2000) and a '95 Suzuki Shogun.........even now they perform to put some new performance bikes to shame.........they have no radiator nor do they have Fuel injection......they run on carburettors.Their engines have never been touched.The Fiero had some new clutch plates and I took the Shogun apart a few months ago for some performance modifications.

Now both these Bikes are of TVS with Suzuki being the main reason for whatever they were then or they are today.I would never check how Fuel efficient are they still now because they are not the Fuel Efficient ones but they definitely perform in every terrain and their engines comes to booming life in one kick.

But I have heard,that TVS has detoriated from quality levels and service ever since Suzuki left them,so my point is..............who knows whether the Hero motors wont have the same fate a couple of years from now in absence of Honda???

Even then,people likes and buys the RTR series bikes for the race availed R&D and technology that TVS has invested in them.........similarly,the Hero Honda of today who excels in service and resale value might deviate and excel tomorrow as Hero Motors in pathbreaking R&D...who knows