Since '02 xBhp is different things to different people. From a close knit national community of bikers to India's only motorcycling lifestyle magazine and a place to make like-minded biker friends. Join us

Castrol Power 1

Look further to stay alive.

Our Partner

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Yamaha faces hurdles

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #16
    Actually,the fact that Yamaha is not being able to cave in the required volume due to 100cc segment bikes is not too true.

    What Hero Honda established many years back by launching the Splendour cannot be repeated by any other company in that segment.
    Similarly what Bajaj established by launching the Pulsar again cannot be replicated by another company..............
    Simply because they capitalized in the early four stroke market while Yamaha and TVS were still scratching their heads in wake of constructing simple 4t engines that provided both mileage and adequate power at the same time.

    Now when Hero Honda promises us the mileage vehicles as its fort and TVS has chosen trackbred vehicles as its way,it obviously brings us to the other two players whose products are always finding each other in contention,Yamaha and Bajaj.

    Yamaha brought many 100cc and 125cc bikes(CruxR,G5,Fazer125,Enticer,YD125,YBX) but they failed to prove what Yamaha stood for in the 2T era.

    But Bajaj took the place of Yamaha soon with their Pulsar 150 and 180 models in the 4T era.The RX series were soon replace by a new name called Pulsar.

    Yamaha acted to this very late,they finally moved over the 125cc barrier a couple of years back and gave the market R15 and FZ16,but then again it had flaws in long run.
    1.R15,the bike which is squarely targeted at the P220,is priced too high relatively for the market and it also lacks full on styling too.What I mean to say,while a Pulsar220 looks upmarket top to bottom,the rear of the R15 looks like a commuter bike,as if from the YBX.Also at lesser price,more power and style made the P220 flaw the otherwise magnificent R15.

    2.FZ16,the bike that should have been teaching the market what is an actual radical looking and feeling streetbike is and steal the fame of Pulsar 150,again came with a tad high price for the folks to purchase.So while it should have been the RX100 of the 4T era,its status is slowly becoming similar to that of Enticer,a feel good bike but highly priced.So whereas it should be competing with the Pulsar150,it ended up being priced like Pulsar180 and 220.

    3.Lack of appropriate models:The Pulsar line up is a very defined line up,Pulsar135LS,Pulsar150DTSi,Pulsar180DTSi,Pulsar2 20DTSi.Customers with varied takes on biking finds a bike at Bajaj somehow.
    But we are yet to find Yamaha's performance line up:
    Only R15 is a genuine performer,FZ16 and Fazer are the right 150cc bikes with very wrong price,the new SZ series does holds some promise to end this though and the ideal line up would be this,
    A.R15 B.FZ16 and Fazer C.SZ165(rumoured) D.SZ-R
    Now there goes above the right line-up,
    SZR is for the commuter loving biker,SZ165-an option,not very highly priced but still and alternative to the R15,FZ16 and Fazer-for people who wants to stand out in the 150cc crowd,R15-for the enthusiast biker.


    Now,
    The new face of Yamaha commuters is the YBR125 and YBR110 and it needs a promotion on parameters which can attract the commuter and frugal biking populace.The Crux is another good product that lives without significant light.

    So Yamaha needs to increase its foray into the world of affordable performance and highlight its commuter based product in the light of quality and VFM offered on the premium vehicles.

    I think it is all about setting the Yamaha image right in the minds of every segment of customers and biking populace in India.

    Which brings me to another fact that a new market of 250cc bikes is all set to go in India,in this context Yamaha should offer a contemporary looking and performing product in this segment as well or would again be deprived of the fruits that the early birds would taste in the 250cc market.
    Last edited by MACH50; 02-09-2011, 01:38 AM.
    Hell's Angel
    sigpic

    Comment


    • #17
      Originally posted by payeng View Post
      That particular Mr. "Tom" Ishikawa was responsible for creating the R15 and the FZ-16/S, Fazer.
      Whatever respect that "Big Company" called Yamaha has clawed back in India, is because of the ex- Yamaha MD, Mr. Tomotaka Ishikawa.
      First of all, a managing director will never claim that he is brain child of particular model/s, it's team that produces a model, moreover R15/FZ are evolved not here in India but outside for some other markets !! Please prove me that this man is behind R15 & Fazer ??
      Please don't take proofs from vicky/2wheelsindia/timepass.com

      Comment


      • #18
        Originally posted by vipin_s View Post
        First of all, a managing director will never claim that he is brain child of particular model/s, it's team that produces a model, moreover R15/FZ are evolved not here in India but outside for some other markets !! Please prove me that this man is behind R15 & Fazer ??
        Please don't take proofs from vicky/2wheelsindia/timepass.com
        I'll have to kill you for it..

        And its better that you don't comment on my blog



        Comment


        • #19
          Originally posted by aargee View Post
          IMO, YMIS has the potential, but something is not just getting things flowing. On the other hand, its good to see a home grown BAL battling the competition fiercely. Personally being an Yamaha fan, I can only be empathetic for what they're now.

          Hopefully they bring in new models that are capable of both performance & mileage. Probably they need to get people out of the mentality on one thing - MILEAGE!!! Hopefully YMIS does that as I don't like to see YMIS giving up.

          PS - Surya, brilliant timely comments; loved every bit of it
          Thanks Aargee..

          Originally posted by vipin_s View Post
          Pankaj Dubey, national business head, recently put in his papers to explore opportunities outside the automotive industry. He has been replaced by Roy Kurian, who was head of the south zone. A managing director, Tsutomi Mabuchi, was abruptly asked to come back to Japan and join the mother company even before he completed a year at the Indian subsidiary. The man behind Yamaha's turnaround in India, Tomotaka Ishikawa, joined rival Bajaj Auto as an advisor.

          Media report has malicious intention. In what way it will affect a big company like Yamaha if one 'tom' quits ?
          That one "Tom" has been the driving force of the R15 development team.. Check out the Overdrive R15 review video in YouTube.. You'll understand what i mean.. The Japanese work culture is not like Indian work culture.. Over there, even a CEO has to give active inputs into everything involved and cannot sit in an AC room with a sexy secretary..

          Originally posted by payeng View Post

          That particular Mr. "Tom" Ishikawa was responsible for creating the R15 and the FZ-16/S, Fazer.
          Whatever respect that "Big Company" called Yamaha has clawed back in India, is because of the ex- Yamaha MD, Mr. Tomotaka Ishikawa.
          +1..

          Originally posted by vipin_s View Post
          First of all, a managing director will never claim that he is brain child of particular model/s, it's team that produces a model, moreover R15/FZ are evolved not here in India but outside for some other markets !! Please prove me that this man is behind R15 & Fazer ??
          Please don't take proofs from vicky/2wheelsindia/timepass.com
          No one needs to claim my friend.. They just ought have the process flow mapped out.. Imagine him as a PUPPET MASTER.. He'll control everyone in the team by the snap of his finger, LITERALLY.. The team members are allowed to pitch in ideas and if found acceptable in a team meeting, is implemented..

          Simple food for thought.. Why don't the Unicorn and Dazzler have ENGINE KILL SWITCH..? Is it because not a soul in the entire team of engineers came up with that idea..? Its because the Head of that project would've simply crushed that idea for some obscure reason..

          Everyone in a team matters.. That's why its called a TEAM..
          sigpic
          My IBA SS delayed.. Damn.. ;-(

          Comment


          • #20
            Originally posted by vipin_s View Post
            First of all, a managing director will never claim that he is brain child of particular model/s, it's team that produces a model, moreover R15/FZ are evolved not here in India but outside for some other markets !! Please prove me that this man is behind R15 & Fazer ??
            Please don't take proofs from vicky/2wheelsindia/timepass.com
            It's better to explain with example.. See if somebody claims Ratan Tata is the man behind Nano.. would anyone oppose? It's the same with R15 & FZ as well.. It's not that a team comes up with idea.. the man at the top gives them an idea to work with... Just what Rajiv Bajaj does in case of Bajaj. He said, to make Pulsar brand more popular we need to lower the price barrier.. answer from his team was P135LS. Do you think without Rajiv Bajaj's input, engineers from R&D will put together a product and roll it out in the market. Things doesn't work that way in corporate world.. the man at the top matters.. that's why he is held responsible for everything with his company and that's why he gets the fattest pay check!!
            Last edited by vrugonnab; 02-09-2011, 12:38 PM. Reason: to add
            Let's bring down the monster of corruption to it's knees.. please visit http://ipaidabribe.com/

            Comment


            • #21
              Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post
              It's simple to change themselves, rather than trying to change millions of people isn't it? But in Yamaha's case, it's not so simple.. on one hand they have an image, which is baggage for them in a certain manner for our market.

              They are simply suffering from improper product positioning.. there was no need to price FZ16 on a premium to competition. IMO, they have a lost a golden chance there to crack open (or rip apart) Pulsar's market share. I for one strongly feel that still they can do that with FZ-16.. may be launch an exceutive version of FZ, call it FZ-E, just like FZ-S!! with a proper seat that can accomodate two people and with not so fat rear tyre... there are lot of buyers waiting out there for such a bike..

              For god's sake.. scrap so many version of SZ.. have one version with disc-brake.. electric start as standard. Price it along side P135LS/Stunner/Shine.. then i'm sure they will get results.

              hmm.. anyways... strictly IMO, just somethings that crossed my mind!! I don't think guys at Yamaha are so dumb.. may be they are not so good as a team!!
              With a premium tag what Yamaha has acheived is that the so called 'Biker' crowd in India has moved away from Bajaj. Something that HH managed with the Karizma. Something Royal Enfield is managing well. Today Pulsar is available to anybody. This means volumes, yes but are they good customers for a brand ? Sure Bajaj would love to bring the Bikers back to their shops. KTM, Ninja all will help.
              Even Honda has manaed not to dilute the Unicorn in the market. this means less volumes, something that Yamaha and Honda are facing now. But the Biker crowd is open to more options today. They are willing to paya premium. They know what they want. A premium is helpful as profits are available. No volumes though. So, high volumes need not mean healthy finances. Well, in India definately, but abroad it may not be the case. So, will indian arm of these MNCs play games differently?? Time will tell.

              My thoughts only.

              Comment


              • #22
                Originally posted by DASCO View Post
                With a premium tag what Yamaha has acheived is that the so called 'Biker' crowd in India has moved away from Bajaj.
                Check the number of views on the R15 thread vs the P220 thread, isnt that a fair indicator of what you just said! (Though one was started in 2009)
                Super CommuTOURer� - Talk less, Ride more

                .: FB :.|.: TW :.|*IG*| Ex
                PowerDrift:.

                #Give thy opinion, write em, dont throw em
                #Everyone errs, accept it, defending/cribbing about it only makes it worse
                #Dont defend a manufacturer as if you work for them
                #Write. Think. If relevant hit submit. If not hit yourself
                #Be kind in your choice of words, you never know who would make you gulp em
                � Satyen Poojary

                Comment


                • #23
                  The 100-125 cc commuter category looks quite daunting for even Yamaha to crack. Plus the image of Yamaha with performance but not fuel efficiency doesn't help its 100-125 cc ambitions.

                  A scooter, preferably the 125 BW's if launched in India at a not too high price would give the Yamaha numbers more respectability.

                  The demand for automatic scooters in India is still high.


                  On the R15 and FZ front, the game needs to be taken to a new level. Probably with a rumored 200+ cc FZ, Yamaha might be on that track.



                  Comment


                  • #24
                    Originally posted by DASCO View Post
                    With a premium tag what Yamaha has acheived is that the so called 'Biker' crowd in India has moved away from Bajaj. Something that HH managed with the Karizma. Something Royal Enfield is managing well. Today Pulsar is available to anybody. This means volumes, yes but are they good customers for a brand ? Sure Bajaj would love to bring the Bikers back to their shops. KTM, Ninja all will help.
                    Even Honda has manaed not to dilute the Unicorn in the market. this means less volumes, something that Yamaha and Honda are facing now. But the Biker crowd is open to more options today. They are willing to paya premium. They know what they want. A premium is helpful as profits are available. No volumes though. So, high volumes need not mean healthy finances. Well, in India definately, but abroad it may not be the case. So, will indian arm of these MNCs play games differently?? Time will tell.

                    My thoughts only.
                    seriously doubt that.. the so-called biker crowd is not the ones who get bikes with premium tag, but those with substance. You might be right with R15, but certainly not with FZ.. it was just a radically different looking bike, that's about it. R15 may look like overpriced.. but it is well worth it.
                    On the other hand.. FZ16 is certainly overpriced for what's on offer.

                    To run a company, you need to play where the market is.. not for the so-called biker crowd.
                    Let's bring down the monster of corruption to it's knees.. please visit http://ipaidabribe.com/

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      I dont really think YAMAHA is in all that trouble,looks like a bored journalist :P

                      the R-15,FZ Series and the SZ are doing well,then what the problem?
                      My only concern is the R15's upgrade,they have to play it right here with tough competitions around.
                      Smoke rubber,not tobacco.

                      -Life Through-the-Lens
                      -For HELLA/VALEO [BMW/AUDI/FORD/LINCOLN/SKODA],P220,Aftermarket Projectors,pls contact me!

                      Comment


                      • #26
                        Originally posted by payeng View Post

                        1. The 100-125 cc commuter category looks quite daunting for even Yamaha to crack. Plus the image of Yamaha with performance but not fuel efficiency doesn't help its 100-125 cc ambitions.

                        2. A scooter, preferably the 125 BW's if launched in India at a not too high price would give the Yamaha numbers more respectability. The demand for automatic scooters in India is still high.

                        3. On the R15 and FZ front, the game needs to be taken to a new level. Probably with a rumored 200+ cc FZ, Yamaha might be on that track.
                        1. Did Yamaha say they are unhappy about sales numbers to you ? Do you know their sales projection ? Do you have an idea of o/p of Yamaha factory ?
                        2. Right, scooter is an area they can grow, good thoughts, but strategies of companies vary for variety of purpose, let's leave that to them.
                        3. Both have their own exclusivity. Don't expect Yamaha to follow scale-up strategies like Bajaj & TVS.

                        Comment


                        • #27
                          Originally posted by vipin_s View Post
                          1. Did Yamaha say they are unhappy about sales numbers to you ?
                          I don't think anyone expressing their ideas here are spoken to by Yamaha. So chill .
                          Last edited by Lightsportz; 02-10-2011, 08:43 PM.

                          Comment


                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Lightsportz View Post
                            I don't think anyone expressin thier ideas here are spoken to by Yamaha. So chill .
                            Its useless bro.. and its not worth the effort.

                            Its a bait that I am not taking.



                            Last edited by payeng; 02-10-2011, 05:33 PM.

                            Comment


                            • #29
                              Originally posted by payeng View Post
                              Its useless bro.. and its not worth the effort.

                              Its a bait that I am not taking.


                              Got it mate, thanx...

                              Comment


                              • #30

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X