^^^ Ok... don't want to argue on this as this can go on till the cows come home... don't want to get into a 'I said, you said' rut... so you have your opinion and I have mine.... ... all we can do is wait and see how it plays out...

Ok,i dont get this.
So is YAMAHA India having poor sales?

Well I think they are not.. Nowadays i am seeing more number of FZ series on the road. Even more than RTR's.. My college parking is flooded with FZs. I think they would be quite happy with their sales

In B'lore, I see FZ's dominating roads like never before, they are the most zippiest 2W in B'lore. Yamaha is unlucky in 100-110cc segment, they tried many times with good bikes, but failed. They should start some innovative campaigns to build 100-110cc brands going forward.

Friends enough said about Yamaha now...this present sales figure of yamaha does not reflects the true fact,i mean if you will consider the overall sales of every other manufacturer their sales figur includes sales from rural as well mas urban area where they have very very strong network & it is at this point that Yamaha is facing problem to create rural network which will almost double their sales,moreover they are only selling motorcycles here 7 not scooterates like Honda or TVS or Suzuki ( Yamaha's nearest competitor in terms of Sales.)

let me provide detail explanation -

Yamaha's sales at present is about 26000 units in India of which mostly they sale delux segment ( 150 CC ) like SZ & FZ series.

TVS in all total sold about 165000 units in January 2011 of which about 142000 units were sold in India.Again of this they sold about 67000 units of motorcycle & we all know that they generate maximum sales from their 100 CC bikes & they also have very strong network in rural areas.Figures taken from The Hindu.

Honda sold about 118500 units in Jan 2011 of which scooters sales were about 70700 units & motorcycles sales were 47800 units.So differnce is not much in motorcycles as Honda generates approx 70 % of its sales in motorcycle segment from Twister & Shine.Also they do have decent network in rural if not very strong.

Suzuki India's total sales is also about 26000 units in India 7 we all know from where their maximum sales comes from- Access & not motorcycles.

So considering the above said facts in view & keeping in view that Yamaha's maximum numbers comes from 150 CC offerings which provide maximum margins i dont think Yamaha is in trouble at all.Moreover there were certain production shortage in Yamaha from november which will be till March end & after that Yamaha will be in growth phase considering the future launches in June ( approx ) & most probably they also have scooter production ready & it may come anytime soon.

Speaking to the few suggestons that FZ is at premium to the other 150's in market i want to question those who are saying this that on what basis they are saying FZ is overpriced ? Compare the onroad prices of respective bikes in 150 CC in our city -

P150 -approx 70500/- for no tubeless tyres,no mono shocks,not great handling compared to others in same segment,engine not very refined,higher maintainance costs ( according to owners ),not great reliability,normal front shocks,decade old styling, 240 MM disc brakes.

Apache RTR 160 -approx 70000 /- for no tubeless tyres,no mono shocks,vibrations are very high,not great build quality, biggest discs of 270 MM..etc.Agreed its a great handler.

Dazzler - approx 71000 /-.good bike with best engine ( FZ at par ) with good mileage.Build quality good but not at par with FZ,rear discs,decent looking styling with monocross,tubeless tyres.Great Reliability

FZ 16 - 72900/- Best Build quality,with most advanced feautures like widest tubeless tyres in India, 41mm front shockups being fattest in any Indian bike , Monocross shock up,very refined engine having good low end torque,bigger 267MM disc brakes ,best handling in segment & above ( barring R15 ) ,Best looking Indian bike without any doubt,Great Reliability.

If we will compare the above said things then in my opinion P 150 is most overpriced for the features in offers at that price & FZ's premium is justified .

That is interesting.Pulsar 150 costs 70k?i thought it was arnd 64k OTR?

You are right.........and that is why there are so many FZs in my city.
If just 1.5K separates the Pulsar and the FZ,then the FZ has too many features going in for it.

Though I cannot say the same for Fazer.......at that price,people wants a bigger engine,hence I find lesser Fazers and more FZs.


@RanjithMN: Maybe he is talking about the latest fleet of Pulsar150DTSi.

In Bangalore, it's 73k OTR. Initially when FZ was launched there was about 7-8k difference between FZ & Pulsar, but later Pulsar has slowly gained a lot of pricing power.. in last two years, Bajaj has never spared an opportunity to rise prices of Discover/Pulsar modesl.. now even Disco 150 is closer to 50k ex-showroom mark.

While Yamaha's sales numbers as percentage month on month look good.. if one looks at absolute numbers they are just about 30k per month.. while other bigwigs are doing that number with just one of the models. They need to workout the product lineup to play the game well in our market.

If P150 does costs that much then i find it hard to believe the FZ is "overpriced".

Lets look at the facts with a WEE BIT more clarity..

P150 might not have tubeless tires or mono shock.. But Pulsar's spares and maintenance are the lowest in the premium segment.. Please stop spreading wrong information.. Secondly, the ONLY reason a guy buys the P150 and NOT the P180 is because of the 50+kmpl REAL TIME fuel efficiency of the Pulsar compared to the near 45 kmpl FE of the P180.. And, your FZ cannot even give as much FE as a well maintained P220 in real time conditions.. That's where it gets the major blow.. The P150 isn't the segment leader just like that.. As for reliability, if any other Indian bike was abused as badly as the P150 is, then they'd be broken down by the road side.. Also, if you're talking about BUILD QUALITY, why are the Yamaha badges missing from more than 90% of the FZ / Fazer's tail..? As for the shocks, the FZ's forks are FAR MORE softer than the Pulsar's forks and BOTTOM OUT far more easily than any other premium bike.. The outer appearance doesn't matter.. Its the functionality that matters.. NO wonder its the highest selling 150 since its introduction.. And that's because its OVERPRICED.. Yeah Right..

AS for RTR 160, its in a class of its own.. So what if it vibes..? Its got CHARACTER.. IF a RTR rider wants, he can SMOKE the FZ dead.. Also, its at least being offered with a REAR DISC OPTION.. Is the FZ offered with such specialties..?

Looks are subjective.. Also, people look at PRACTICALITY.. Can one's mother or some elderly people sit on the FZ's rear seat as a pillion compared to all other 150s (R15 included)..?

So, all you're telling is, if you wanna spend "the most of amount of money with the least of amount of practicality and efficiency and not so great performance the FZ is THE obvious choice..

I expect a STRONG argument from your side based on your user name.. If you don't, it means you've realized that each bike is in a class of its own and each individual has different tastes and that comparisons are just for satisfying the inevitable male ego.. So, hope you would've come out of the MODEL-T Syndrome.. Cheers mate..

You pretty much hit the nail on head bro!! P150, Apache are no way overpriced when compared to FZ.. they offer far better performance & mileage as well.

Ya so true. Fuel efficiency.
Really?? This reminds me of the daily soaps of the same old saas bahu story. We are "saas" & the "pulsar" is the bahu. saas daily abuses the bahu & in the climax saas comes to know that if there was any other bahu (any other bike) in place of the current bahu(pulsar) it would have revolted against the saas (broke down on the road). So you mean to say that the pulsar is the only bike which is abused & those who get some problem with it are abusers of P150.
Hello the front end was purposefully made soft to get a much smoother ride & better handling characteristics. It was not made to be stiffer.
BTW FYI the pulsar is the bike on which you get most problems reported. Dont trust me then check the xbhp.
Ok do one thing. take two healthy (read fat) persons & put them on both these bikes. Then see which one struggles more. Otherwise try to ride both the bikes in the city traffic in the 5th gear & at speeds of 25-30kmph. Then see who wins & who smokes whom. Do try before replying.
FYI the RTR Fi is having the rear disc which costs in excess of 75k.
So who told you that the fz is meant for taking uncles & all?? Its targeted towards youth. Talk about SZ when it comes to taking elderly people.
420% correct. No matter how good & how easily you can handle the bike its impractical. No matter that its tubeless tires can save you from walking on lonely roads a lot of times its impractical. No matter how good grip its wider tyre can provide you especially in rains its still impractical. May its ride be more refined & fun which makes it even more impractical . Such bike should never be sold.
I expect the same from you too bro based on your avatar.

The discussion is getting a bit lame and fanboyed here but i have to reply to this quote...i just have to.

because ppl are PLUCKING IT OFF!
i guess same was the case of many R15ers "R15" tag

Not to forget the RELIABLE & quality pulsars tank pads (dunno the exact term)

Amen to that, bro
touche