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triumph seems to be taking forever.. 2 of my friends finally gave up waiting for Daytona 675 and went ahead and booked R1's..
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+100Originally posted by icemang View PostSome tidbits from me too.
A good article on homologation:
What is Homologation? - Team-BHP
Triumph would have dug its own grave
Surprise of surprises! The smartest off the block here was HD. Yanks can learn fast if they want, it seems.
Hope Suzuki n Triump you are listening.
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Some tidbits from me too.
A good article on homologation:
What is Homologation? - Team-BHP
It is not necessary for the process to be uber expensive. In case of bikes, it is not. Yes, for the 1200GS and GS Adventure type of bikes, with a lot of tech gizmos, it can be high.
From my gen, only the Bonneville, Street Triple, Daytona 675 and Speed Triple will be CKDed while the remainder Tiger, Storm and Rocket will be CBUs. The Mountain may have some fresh news on this, mine is about 20 days old.
Triumph would have dug its own grave but for the astonishing lack of vision by Suzuki in not getting the V Strom thru' its car channel and in CKD and ultimately local manufacture format. This bike alone will decimate the competition if it is brought in at typically Maruti Suzuki prices. Some people will never learn...
@shift_ride. I empathise and grieve with you, man. I too wanted the Tiger but not at 11 lacs. That is skimming prices. The Tiger will never sell in India at that price and if BMW gets in the F800 at 10L, the Tiger's hopes are still-born.
Surprise of surprises! The smartest off the block here was HD. Yanks can learn fast if they want, it seems.
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Sorry for the late reply, but I understand the extra cost involved in homologating the bike. Triumph says they're going to build the Tiger in India, so they've already accepted the cost of the assembly line. They've accepted the homologation cost for the Daytona, Street Triple, and Bonneville, and while I'm sure each of those will be higher-volume than the Tiger, it won't be that much higher. It just strikes me that they've created a self-fulfilling prophecy with the Tiger; they claim they're not sure how well it will sell, but the unreasonably high price guarantees it won't sell as well as it could. The Tiger would be an attractive buy at 7 or 8 lakh. At 11.3 it's a much more difficult sell, and outside the price range of many who would otherwise buy it.Originally posted by shift_ride View PostDear Sir,
When a product is homologated for India, it incurs an additional financial burden on the factory.When i say additional burden I mean it runs into crores.So, any model which is homologated has to generate volumes enough so as to compensate the additional costs.These additional costs when get merged with the price of the bikes, the low volume bike tends to be proprtionately more expensive then its high volume siblings!
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Shift_ride
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Daytona 675R vs Ducati 848 EVO
Triumph Daytona 675R vs Ducati 848 EVO Corse SE - On Two Wheels Episode 7 - YouTube
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Dear Sir,Originally posted by The Mountain View PostSent the following email to Ashish Joshi yesterday:
Dear Mr. Joshi,
I am one of many riders here in India eagerly awaiting the arrival of
Triumph. I have been following the news of Triumph's entry on the
xBHP.com website for several months now. I was particularly excited
because Triumph intended to bring many of the models it would sell
here in as "Complete Knock-Down" kits, thus enabling it to bypass the
ruinous customs tariffs and therefore to sell at a reasonable price.
In the wake of the Auto Expo in Delhi, the preliminary pricing for the
models Triumph will be bringing was released, and then was confirmed
in an email you sent to another xBHPian, Arun, a couple of days ago,
to wit:
Bonneville INR 5.50 L
Street Triple INR 5.75 L
Daytona 675 INR 7.00 L
Speed Triple INR 8.00 L
Tiger 800XC INR 11.40 L
Storm INR 17.00 L
Rocket III INR 22.00 L
I was dismayed to discover that the Tiger (the bike I intend to
purchase, preferably in orange) was going to be priced like an import
bike, rather than the CKD. In every other market, the Tiger sells for
the equivalent of about 6-7lakh rupees ($13000 USD according to
ADVrider.com and 7700GBP according to your website). Yet here, we're
going to be charged nearly double that. This despite the fact that the
Tiger, at 799cc, falls under the homologation limit for motorcycles
brought into India, and therefore must be brought in as a Complete
Knock-Down and assembled here. I am writing to seek an explanation for
the enormous premium that Indian riders are going to be required to
pay for this bike, seeing as how there is no customs duty to cover. I
look forward to your reply.
Sincerely etc
Hoping I'll get a reply, and not a form letter, soon.
When a product is homologated for India, it incurs an additional financial burden on the factory.When i say additional burden I mean it runs into crores.So, any model which is homologated has to generate volumes enough so as to compensate the additional costs.These additional costs when get merged with the price of the bikes, the low volume bike tends to be proprtionately more expensive then its high volume siblings!
Regards,
Shift_ride
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Triumph Motorcycles, the iconic British motorcycle brand, has always set the pace for category winning machines that offer a blend of design, character, desirability and performance combined to create truly distinctive motorcycles.
At the recently concluded 11th Auto Expo in Delhi we have showcased our model range for India which has motorcycles from all our product families and include the parallel-twin, Bonneville, the iconic naked roadsters Speed Triple and Street Triple, the off-roader Tiger 800XC, class-leading supersport bike Daytona 675 and the cruisers Storm and Rocket III.
Guideline ex-showroom (Delhi) prices for our bikes
Bonneville INR 5.50 Lakh
Street Triple 675 INR 5.75 Lakh
Daytona 675 INR 7.00 Lakh
Speed Triple INR 8.00 Lakh
Tiger 800XC INR 11.40 Lakh
Storm INR 17.00 Lakh
Rocket III Roadster INR 22.00 Lakh
True to our brand ethos each of the products entering the Indian market will dedicate itself to delivering a great riding experience through the fusion of a well-balanced, easy to handle chassis and strong, flexible engines. The result will be that of an inspiring range of motorcycles delivering usable performance blended with character.
SOURCE--http://www.triumph.co.uk/india/
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^^^ The original article was in Business Line; I'd posted it under News section this morning; for some reason it isn't approved.
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Triumph Motorcycles to set up assembly operations in Karnataka, IndiaTriumph Motorcycles to set up assembly operations in Karnataka, India | IndianCarsBikes.in
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Triumph's news has died down the lane after a few days of activity. been seeing only the prices in their India website. atleast they can add some pics of their 2012 model lineup.
hope prices come down and hope they set up atleast an assembly line for CKDs, better if they produce the 675cc Bikes here
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MV Agusta F3 vs Triumph Daytona 675R
The lightest, most powerful and elecronically-advanced supersport machine you can buy - the new MV Agusta F3 goes up against the Triumph Daytona 675 R on the roads of northern Italy.
Triumph Daytona 675R
Launched last year, this is the R version of Triumph's popular Daytona 675. It doesn't have electronic rider aids except for a quickshifter, but you get Ohlins suspension, Brembo monobloc calipers, Pirelli Diablo Super Corsa SPs and carbon-fibre body parts.
MV Agusta F3 675
The lightest, most powerful and electronically advanced supersport machine you can buy. It has a short-stroke 675cc, inline three-cylinder engine and comes with traction control, variable power maps, electronic engine braking and slipper clutch.
Video Link: MV Agusta F3 vs Triumph Daytona 675R - YouTube
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The guy explains about the bike very nicely although its an older version of street triple.
Triumph Street Triple R - Instant Impression - YouTube
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Maybe it is all a matter of perspective.Originally posted by bluevolt View Postthe tigers are indeed 799 cc's. Unless Triumph India is so dumb that they don't know the displacement of their own motorcycles. I read on team-bhp that someone from Triumph at the Auto expo pointed out that Bonneville had carbs and the fuel injection version will come later! They apparently did not know the Bonny has dummy carbs and the existing model IS fuel injected.
1cc really do not make a difference when there are 799 ccs to back it.
The 125s,150s in Indian market are never to the point they are either 123.45 or 147.5 or 149.5 something like that.
Also, the guy at the expo who said such on Triumph's behalf has said it casually and for the sake of saying-it seems without getting much into tech.
What he should have said that the carbed look just raises the retro flair while the bike is actually Fuel Injected.
Anyway, we are the guys with the passion for motorcycles and like the details - not everyone has to be like us.
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Well, the street triple is a roadster version of the daytona 675, which was launched in 2006. There have been changes, but only minor model changes.Originally posted by darkknight View Post7 year old
weren't the street triples first launched towards the end of 2007 & later refurbished in 2011 & 2012 as well
Interesting, the tigers are indeed 799 cc's. Unless Triumph India is so dumb that they don't know the displacement of their own motorcycles. I read on team-bhp that someone from Triumph at the Auto expo pointed out that the Bonneville had carbs and the fuel injection version will come later! They apparently did not know the Bonny has dummy carbs and the existing model IS fuel injected.Originally posted by The Mountain View PostSo here's the response from Triumph India:
Appreciate your thoughts on the Tiger 800XC and its pricing. The bike at
exactly 800cc qualifies for CBU import and that is the route being taken
as of now.
Off road motorcycles are a bit of an unknown in the Indian market and
hence the call that we have taken to initially import it as CBU. We will
gauge the market and revise our call at an appropriate time if needed.
Best regards,
Ashish
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As per my understanding if you import anything below 800cc, the motorcycle has to be homologated to Indian standards via the ARAI route. If it falls over the 800cc capacity, the type approval certificate from the manufacturer is enough for it to be declared suitable for use in India.Originally posted by The Mountain View PostSo here's the response from Triumph India:
Appreciate your thoughts on the Tiger 800XC and its pricing. The bike at
exactly 800cc qualifies for CBU import and that is the route being taken
as of now.
Off road motorcycles are a bit of an unknown in the Indian market and
hence the call that we have taken to initially import it as CBU. We will
gauge the market and revise our call at an appropriate time if needed.
Best regards,
Ashish
Note the Bolded text. According to Triumph's own website (and no doubt the casting on the side of the crankcase), the Tiger displaces 799cc, not 800. Does anyone have the exact wording of the import regulations regarding engine displacement? If customs gets a good look at the engine on this bike, and it says 799cc, is Triumph going to be facing problems?
Edit: I think I found the relevant section of Customs Tariff. Section 87-11 40 10 covers motorcycles with engine capacities not exceeding 800cc. So if it's 800 or less, it's within that "category". Still looking for requirements for when a new bike has to be brought in as CKD and/or subject to India homologation.
Second edit: Found something in the import regulations as follows: (9) Import of new motorcycles with engine capacity of 800 cc or more, by all categories of importers, including: (a) Individuals; (b) Companies and firm; or (c) OEMs (Original Equipment Manufacturers- who have manufacturing and service network in India) will be exempt from the conditions at Sl.No. (2) (II) (c) above. However, at the time of Customs clearance, an EC Type Approval Certificate / Certificate of COP, of an accredited agency from any member state of EU, including a notarized English translation thereof, shall be furnished. This Type Approval shall stipulate that the vehicle to be imported meets the technical requirements of all relevant separate directives, as last amended and as listed in EU Directive 2002/24/EC. Such imported motorcycles shall meet the EURO III emission norms as defined in EU Directive 2003/77/EC.
So that's 800cc or more falling into the exemption category for needing various testing certificates. Looks like 800cc is an overlap point. Still searching for the specifics of a requirement that bikes of 800cc or less than 800cc can only be brought in as CKD. It's not looking good for Triumph though.
The CKD / CBU route will only decide the final price of the bike. Dont know if the CKD/CBU route has anything to do with the homologation process. Someone with more knowledge on this topic should be able to clarify it...anyone?
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