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  • #421
    Originally posted by julianpaul View Post
    Same here man, good to see you still around.?



    Originally posted by julianpaul View Post
    It's strange, i've often wondered how your bike has so much rusting, that too in a place like indore. My silencers (bend pipe, 2nd one that too) totally rusted, but i park my bike in the open, dust, heat and rain. But yeah, tvs component quality is mediocre to say the least. Battery surprisingly is still going strong, which is absolutely shocking after 3 1/2 years! But the main point i wanted to make is that the FI system is a complete success, not a failure as many make it out to be. The 180 didn't get Fi just because of the public fear and apprehension. Of course the fault lies with TVS for this.
    Donno what was the cause, I blame the quality cuz I had KB100 for 5 years and FIERO for eight and I use to keep them the same way as I kept my FI, they never gave me any rusting issues.
    And for the record, the chrome on KB100 was WOW !

    And yes battery going kaput every year pissed me off as the battery on my Fiesta is 5 years old now and its still going strong !
    I only changed the battery on my Fiero once in 8 years !

    And true, FI never gave me trouble and the fuel pump worked fine.
    The fuel filter placement was very bad and was a ***** to replace.



    Originally posted by julianpaul View Post
    Ok, with that kind of riding, then maybe! The fiero i'm talking about was used extensively, but with normal care. Still, one clutch replacement in 14 years is awesome huh? I didn't quite get that last bit, you're saying the clutch plate set for the fiero was just 175 bucks???!!!?
    One clutch replacement in 14 years that too in Fiero is- !
    The guy must be feeding throttle with utmost care !

    And yes the clutch was 175 bucks only !
    And that price was so tempting that I use to replace it when ever I felt like there was a lag between me feeding the throttle and bike surging forward ! Once I replaced it after 500kms, but changing it every 4000-5000kms was normal.
    On total I replaced the clutch of my Fiero 16 times.
    It was a record !
    Last edited by rennycornelius; 04-23-2012, 12:33 PM.
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    • #422
      Originally posted by bprags View Post
      Hmm. I always thought the RTR has better plates, well all I can say is the grass is always greener on the other side.

      To your question, yep 30K is def less.
      Well,I just changed my clutch plates at 34K kms and the Sprocket at 25K kms. I dont think,this is a big issue RTR had....even my last bike(Yamaha Gladiator) needed clutch plate and sprocket replacement at aroung 25 K.
      The only geniune flaw on RTR is the stupid quality of switch assembly... I got both sides changed under warranty..... (Pulsar's switches are of much better quality)
      But in last 2.5 years(35K Kms),have never faced rusting issue and console issue(not even in my 5 years old Star city,while my Gladiator had serious rusting issue).....the quality,though not great, has never been an issue(this may has to do with a good service back up at my place).
      TVS,instead of doing these bizzare looking disastorous down grades,could have actually,made the Plastic quality better.
      The old RTRs could have carried it further for a couple of more years,with just a minor upgrade-MONO SHOCK. But without a true enthusiast (like Rajib Bajaj),I dont see this company going any where.....

      Certainly, it seems TVS is going to loose a loyal custumer in me....
      Last edited by sambit; 04-23-2012, 12:24 PM.
      HH Dawn - TVS Star City - Yamaha Gladiator - TVS RTR 180 - Honda CBR 250R - Yamaha R3

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      • #423
        Originally posted by sambit View Post
        Certainly, it seems TVS is going to loose a loyal custumer in me....
        If youre loyal, TVS wont lose you as a customer.

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        • #424
          Is this cosmetic mod coming only with 180 or is it being made on 160 too

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          • #425
            Originally posted by 2strokerama View Post
            If youre loyal, TVS wont lose you as a customer.
            no dude,every thing changes,even loyality....
            There has been 3 TVS prods in our family till now...
            If they are into a path of self destruction,why would we stay with them?? better follow somebody else....
            HH Dawn - TVS Star City - Yamaha Gladiator - TVS RTR 180 - Honda CBR 250R - Yamaha R3

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            • #426
              Originally posted by sambit View Post
              If they are into a path of self destruction,why would we stay with them?? better follow somebody else....
              Thats going overboard, saying that they're on a path of self destruction and all. Lets reserve the harsher judgements for the announcement\unveiling today.

              But yeah, better to be loyal to a product than a brand (brand RTR in this case).

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              • #427
                Latest update on the Apache RTR Facebook Fanpage:

                "Dear Apache Tribe

                It gives us tremendous pleasure in informing that we have started the 2012 Edition Apache Series RTR despatches from our Mysore mother plant.

                While we have commenced the despatches of the 2012 Apache Series RTR to our Dealer Network; these will reach across our network by end of this week.

                We shall officially make Press Announcement by tentatively end of the week.                "




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                • #428
                  Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
                  After your previous post on the same thread, How achaanakly (==suddenly) RTR180 became an RTR160 incremental upgrade? Did anyone here count the 220Fi/200NS as an incremental upgrade of the P150?

                  As for RTR160 Rear Disc, it was never a new version. The Drum version wasn't discountinued. Same case as optional front disc on a Discover 125. Also AFAIK right now, there is no Rear Disc variant of the RTR160 for sale right now (Now available only on FI).
                  Sources:
                  TVS Apache RTR 160 Hyper Edge Official website
                  Features of TVS Apache RTR FI 160

                  There is nothing new in a manufacturer making nifty little changes in the motorcycle without being vocal about it. My P220 is different from Pads' / Vkavadia's P220 which is different from the speedlines P220. As an owner of the 1st Gen P220 carb, I can tell the difference. And when considering the differences, I am also talking about are internal, not sticker/paint jobs like speedlines.

                  If you ask a certain Aditya Bhelke, Payeng or Praful about the unpublicised changes that happened in the P220 Fi from 2007 to 2009, you wouldn't believe that BAL was making internal changes to the bike practically every second week .
                  Beats me on why the disc is not an update but a change in console is.
                  You are missing the point Anant. What I am saying is the same. There has been nifty updates in the product line all along. Just like it happened in the Pulsar series.
                  The propogand it tried to derive is a epic PR failure, and more so due to attention whore of blogs and fanboys from other clans who killed the R15 when the CBR came, and then killed the CBR when Duke came, and now killing the TVS when it is coming.



                  Originally posted by bprags View Post
                  Bud
                  My only wish is the top management at TVS should go else they better sell their R&D unit to Hero, they will lap it up and then we can see the real stuff. TVS has a confused management, they launched a liquid cooled 150 in Indonesia around 6 months back and here they sell the same old engine.

                  Also a word on their design team, for god sake please outsource it to some european firm else give it to some young boys here at xbhp they will do a better job. How do they approve such poor designs
                  Or they should grow balls.

                  The original RTR design was so much spot on, the concepts again, arse whooping brilliant.
                  THIS design seems to be like of an extension into a series.... may be a semi faired a la ZMA or P220



                  Originally posted by payeng View Post
                  Latest update on the Apache RTR Facebook Fanpage:

                  "Dear Apache Tribe

                  It gives us tremendous pleasure in informing that we have started the 2012 Edition Apache Series RTR despatches from our Mysore mother plant.

                  While we have commenced the despatches of the 2012 Apache Series RTR to our Dealer Network; these will reach across our network by end of this week.

                  We shall officially make Press Announcement by tentatively end of the week.                  "
                  Series - 160, 180 series? or is there more?
                  Super CommuTOURer� - Talk less, Ride more

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                  #Give thy opinion, write em, dont throw em
                  #Everyone errs, accept it, defending/cribbing about it only makes it worse
                  #Dont defend a manufacturer as if you work for them
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                  • #429
                    Just back from my SVC, Lotus TVS. Few points:

                    • Already the 2012 edition models are in display.
                    • Apache 160 gets dual-tone color scheme (I saw Matt Grey/Black [tank scoop color/body color], Green/Black)
                    • Apache 180 gets single color (thankfully!) and retains the RTR lettering & gold shox.
                    • NO change in Engine internals
                    • Switchgear is clearly of better quality.
                    • The DRL LED pilot lamp is cool and catchy.
                    • DC electricals now standard in all variants.
                    • Seats increased by 1 inch for rider as well as pillion.
                    • Front 'smaller' crash guard should fit older Apaches too.
                    • Tank scoops are an eye-sore and now the side profile of Apache looks disproportionate.
                    • now the real blow to RTR fans: no higher displacement Apache is on the cards, for 6 months minimum. This is confirmed news.
                    • The carbon-fiber look alike plastics on console/rear mud flap looks downmarket.
                    • New Tank scoop is not tightly integrated i.e about a half cm gap b/w tank and scoop.
                    • Front doom is not that bad, we will get used to it esp. with the cute pilot lamps.

                    In the lot, White Apache 180 looked far better. Some clicks of the same:
                    Grip. Twist. Ride-with Menacingly FAST Apache 180 ABS!
                    TVS Apache 180 ABS (Sep 2011-)
                    Yamaha Libero LX (Feb 2006-Sep 2011) sold


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                    • #430
                      The new tail peice seems nice. The tank scoops are a bummer. The existing ones on the bike are spot on and it really didnt need any upgrade, unless they planned the turn lights to be integrated in it.

                      The headlight looks fine, but its too high. Lower it to tank level and it would probably look a lot meaner!
                      Super CommuTOURer� - Talk less, Ride more

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                      #Give thy opinion, write em, dont throw em
                      #Everyone errs, accept it, defending/cribbing about it only makes it worse
                      #Dont defend a manufacturer as if you work for them
                      #Write. Think. If relevant hit submit. If not hit yourself
                      #Be kind in your choice of words, you never know who would make you gulp em
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                      • #431
                        didn't like it at all
                        Suzuki Gixxer - Current
                        Karizma ZMR <3 - Sold
                        Apache RTR160 - Sold
                        Honda Stunner - Sold
                        LML Energy - Sold

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                        • #432
                          the rear is looking good and given some fine edges touch to them...


                          yes the new head is not that bad.
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                          • #433
                            from certain angles it looks good,only side profile is a bit disappointing.if there is 5k increase in price i am afraid people will start calling it over-priced.
                            and the question remains why do i race?
                            every finishing line is the begining of a new race.

                            #i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
                            #overkill is underrated.
                            #how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
                            #i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road
                            (:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.

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                            • #434
                              Originally posted by abhishekch View Post
                              yes the new head is not that bad.
                              Hope this can be put on existing apache
                              with speedo change of course.
                              Last edited by kantu; 04-23-2012, 05:02 PM.
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                              • #435
                                I hope these huge, disproportionate Tank scoops can be replaced with the older ones.

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