@ payeng, i also know about those changes thats why i think i have mentioned that the efforts of tvs needs a special mention and thats why i even said this line "tvs worked a hell of a lot of sweat on that platform to make the apache,the crouching hooligan it is today" just that i didn't want to mention what every one knew ie about the rtrs having that revvy short stroke engine and also worth mentioning clutch also. i just mentioned that the basic engine platform was of the suzuki origins right and not that was made by tvs themselves.i for one is a person who would like to appreciate a genuine effort and despite being a pulsarmaniac, i have nothing but respect and love for apache rtr series of bikes.

@ abhishekch,Mirhawk, guys first of all please read what i have written there and then reply to it accordingly. did i clearly i think i have taken care to mention the words in caps "IN TERMS OF MARKETING" and i don't know why you guys are taking the thing as copy of technologies. i mentioned this about the ads because that is some of their ads like that of rtr fi has similar themes that pulsar ads had and looks a bit like that of the first dtsi ad with the new one surpassing the old one,this is where i have always felt the similarity. My point is that(could be what i might be feeling) many a way tvs was trying market the apache as a pulsar or in the same way.i hope i have made my point clear.

i again would like to say that i am just expressing what i feel and don't have any kind of hurting/unhealthy intentions.
@vineshp, sorry that you forgot one thing,it was not p200 ns that carried similar designed grabrails like that of apache rtrs' but it was pulsar 135 ls that first carried off the grab rails similar to that of rtr's units albiet in a lot smaller and slimmer in design for suiting the p135 than the thicker and bigger units found on rtrs.And in the case of p 200 ns, they bulked that very same design to suit the bike in overall and thereby made the grab rail units look even more similar to rtrs' units.

so guys sorry guys if i have hurt anybody's feelings if at all... i just shared what i felt and what i think i know.so i hope there is no hard feelings and thank you for all the replies and corrections that you have made on my points. but still frustrated to see indian manufactures like tvs does something like this...i hope this is a temporary arrangement like the pulsar's speedlines treatment and i hope to see something under the apache brand in the lines of p200ns,r15s and cbrs in the not so distant future.

Its only a matter of time that even this thread is going to get locked.
I dont understand why 'some' people always have to criticize each bike so much even before it gets launched

Hehehe just as excepted invitation for a off topic stuff from you .

Where ? I never like to do it , i don't have that manners .
If i did it any where i am sorry .
As per best of my knowledge i haven't blamed any of manufacturer .
Who i am to blame any manufacturer ?
But i know who do it mosts . Just read your stuff below & other no. of post you made untill now like " Karizma is another ...... with 223 cc motor" & what not .

What i blamed is cetain peoples having negative view about bike from other manufacturer that they owning . And they do it reguraly .

Hero & TVS you listening ? You have a great suggestions above .

Sorry again as i am not that much EXPERT to judge any manufacturer & suggest them .

When ever & where ever is needed i will praise but not like fanboy specially as you .

This is what shocks me , not about any perticular manufacturer , but for manufacturer whose bike they ( most of guys like you ) won't owning talk negative about it .

Who is that guy below_all ?
Is you mean me , Above_All ?
Lol i don't post anything negative about any upcoming bike from any of manufacturer .
I just posted i amazed with quality of guys without the bike in market knows its engine is refined , smooth & what not .
I am still figuring out how to found it out without owning or even before bike to be on road .


Weak up ? I don't hate any manufacturer .

But i think Hero still on number 1 so far & its bike are selling in large number without any big upgrades .

Where as TVS is still good going with scooty & RTR's .


A request to senior member's , mods , staff or anyone , please tell this & other specialist guys to don't go off topic .Or if they will don't quote me or invite me as i don't like that . I already mentioned it .
Please help .

nothing to say...just speechless after looking at the bike...Man I would love to meet the designer...and appraise him....what a great job he has done....we should congratulate him... instead of bashing him...GET WELL SOON TVS...

will be missing a menacing predator in motion.
had a visit to a tvs today,when i talked about the ridiculous design the sales person smiled,he knows that it is not gonna attract customers.
according to him bikes will be hitting showroom within 1 week.
waiting to see it in flesh,maybe it will turn out to be not that ugly.

i think its looking better in single color instead of that dual combination and may be it'll look good in flesh than in brochures.....black color is looking good....

RTR never required any cosmetic modd, just a Service pack upgrade that will washout the vibes will make it the best seller, hoping that this new does it well.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Do you/have you owned an Fi?

I do, and have followed the rtr/fi (not 180) thread from post #1 till the last and don't really remember anyone complaining about a complete injector or fuel pump failure. In fact all i can remember is renny saying that tvs was changing injectors to newer versions (it's mentioned on page 14 of the fi service manual) and aparajith having a fuel-pump gasket leak, which they (eventually) rectified.

I got my bike in sep 2008, the last 'service' done was march 2010 (for warranty), haven't done any since. I take care of my bike myself, just get it pressure washed every month or so, and get the chain lubing, oil/filter change and air filter cleaning done outside. All the rest I do myself. In fact, I delayed my first filter change by about 2k kms, and now the 2nd filter has been lying in my drawer for about a year now () just haven't got the time to replace it. And i am absolutely surprised as to how well the Fi system has held up. It is a complete success as far as i'm concerned. I have exclusively used IOC premium so that probably had something to do with keeping my injector clean, often considered using a bit of system G, but never got around to it (in 3 1/2 years ! lol).

The Fi has got a lot of unnecessary bad rep from paranoid/scared users and dealers. But the biggest failure has to be TVSs service. Now some will come and say that contacting higher-ups works wonders, but that isn't how it's supposed to be. The higher-ups didn't give you the bike for free, you bought it with your money so proper service is your RIGHT.

No idea how this is but i have to strongly disagree with you on this one point. One of my friends still has his fiero from way back around 98-99 and he's only changed his clutch once. Similarly, another friend with a cbz bought around the same time has changed his plates once too till now. The fiero is in pretty ratty condition but still runs ok. The cbz is running awesome. Both bikes have run extensively, lakh or two kms maybe (approx).

Now my Fi, has the clutch just about die, before reaching even 30k kms. And i've actually heard of plenty of people have to change their rtr clutch plates around that mileage. Which is astounding to me, i've owned about half a dozen bikes/scooters and have never seen any clutch fail so uniformly before even 50k, more realistically 100k kms. And my riding style is mostly clutchless, i only really use it when taking off and coming to a stop. And for pillion comfort.

Edit: Kinda concluding, when i got the bike new, the minor niggles like excessive vibes (and poor service) had me totally pissed off, and i still think i would be if i spent that much money on a new bike and got what i got. But after 3 1/2 years, i'm well pleased with how the bike has aged. But extremely disappointed with TVS and their service, and would probably never buy a TVS bike again, no matter how good the bike. Unless i hear exceptional news about how they've completely turned around their service. I would go so far as to say that even bajaj may actually provide better service, based on my personal experience with multiple bajaj bikes.

The D Day...................................

Imagine what will happen if TVS decides to launch their 250cc mill along with these two 'blunders' :P
On the other hand, i think the revised RTR series coming today have a chance of clicking... we never know!

JULIAN: Good to see you back bro .
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I believe TVS should concentrate in improving the quality of the components of the RTR, rather than refreshing it with ugly add ons.
The 'old' RTR still looks a million times better than the revamped one.
FI on 180 with tweaks in the engine with BHP figures around 19-20 is what we want, with better quality of the components and lesser vibes.
But still I wont buy a TVS.

The main reason I sold my FI was quality issues (swingarm rusting, paint peeling off from every corner,fuel tank rusting, electrical problems, self starter failure and battery's internal plate going kaput twice cuz of the severe vibrations the mill used to produce.)

The bike never gave me trouble in fuel injection or fuel pump department, infact my injector was replaced under warranty with a new one and the missing completely vanished after the replacement.
I never got the injector cleaned, not even once, I never gave my bike for servicing at the TVS, I never gave my fiero for servicing too, infact I think I'm the only guy here who never avails free services.

The bike is hoot to drive trust me, it made my two stroke days alive, and the bike with similar madness is the DUKE.

And coming to the clutch, then yes Julian, Fiero's clutch was very weak, I use to replace its clutch after every 5000kms after clocking 15000, the clutch used to slip a lot after doing 5000KM (Red line shifts, use to ride the thing full throttle for 60kms daily that time) so I use to replace it, as it cost only 175 bucks back then !

Guys,

What about the launch. It is suppose to happen today rite. Where is the launch happening and at what time..
Please share the fotos if you got !!

Julian :- This is what I meant, the Fiero's clutch plates could not take abuse, if ridden properly, it would easily last a long long time.

Same here man, good to see you still around.

It's strange, i've often wondered how your bike has so much rusting, that too in a place like indore. My silencers (bend pipe, 2nd one that too) totally rusted, but i park my bike in the open, dust, heat and rain. But yeah, tvs component quality is mediocre to say the least. Battery surprisingly is still going strong, which is absolutely shocking after 3 1/2 years! But the main point i wanted to make is that the FI system is a complete success, not a failure as many make it out to be. The 180 didn't get Fi just because of the public fear and apprehension. Of course the fault lies with TVS for this.

Ok, with that kind of riding, then maybe! The fiero i'm talking about was used extensively, but with normal care. Still, one clutch replacement in 14 years is awesome huh? I didn't quite get that last bit, you're saying the clutch plate set for the fiero was just 175 bucks???!!!

Gotcha mate. But then i'm not impressed with the RTRs clutch as you've mentioned, because while i usually ride fast, i rarely did any wheelies/burnouts etc. on my Fi, and as i've already mentioned, mostly shift clutchless. With that kind of use, 30k seems less no?

Hmm. I always thought the RTR has better plates, well all I can say is the grass is always greener on the other side.

To your question, yep 30K is def less.