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  • Originally posted by bprags View Post
    Did it revv till 11500 rpm? according to MG it will, please confirm. Thanks for the ride report.

    Cant say. Only the kmph figure was in a font large enough for me to read at full throttle on a bike that I was riding for the first time The numbers depicting the rpms are in a specially small font. That being said, I did ask the showroom guy about the rev limits having been removed and he said that they had been removed.


    Originally posted by nasirkaka View Post
    Would love to take it on longer rides as well, provided it is comfortable to ride/sit on it for about 12 hours a day. It is comfortable - the suspension beats that of a bullet by a mile. The seat and handlebar position give you room to move your back around.

    This morning, i went to the pro-biking showroom in Bangalore to see the duke in flesh. When on saddle, the first and most important observation was the foot-peg is placed way behind where i would find it to be comfortable. Not sure if that is how it should be, or is it my being used to riding posture of a bullet? Being a bullet guy, what are your thoughts on this? I agree - the torso remains upright, like a bullet but your legs are in a sporty position. The advantage is that with your legs hugging the bike, you get better control. It is different but not in a bad way.

    You also mentioned lack of torque, and excess vibrations at the pegs at 100kmph. My M3.5 and C5 both vibrate like a tractor at speed in excess of 90kmph, so much that the RVM is just a blur. I always thought that single cylinder, low revving long stroke bikes with pushrods, were meant to vibrate, and high revving short stroke ones with the given suspensions and frame of the duke would hardly have any vibrations. could someone throw some light on the existing vibes in the duke?
    The Duke vibes are very different from bullet. Its like they have a much higher frequency but a much lower magnitude. Compare it to repeated hammer blows for bullet versus constant buzzing for duke.

    I must clarify, the vibes were ONLY in the footpegs and more pronounced in the right one. The handlebars etc. were vibe-free. I was riding a bike that had only done 10 km in its life and I was constantly near full throttle.


    when at showroom today, it was like a fish market with all the crowd & noise. however, they refused to start the bike to get an idea of the exhaust note. Said, the test ride would start in about 10 days time. Did ask one of the fellas wearing a duke t-shirt about mileage, and he said around 35kmpl with sedate riding. I am still holding my money, will wait for the test ride and take a call.

    You will like it Other than a street triple, I cant think of a better bike for your city riding needs.
    Last edited by jalva; 02-01-2012, 06:35 PM.

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    • Originally posted by jalva View Post

      - Not a torque monster. I did all my riding with a pillion from the showroom. Can not pull away in any gear with pillion and luggage. If you play the gears correctly, it works well. Clear loss of torque for bullet guys. No big deal for me.
      If I were ride regularly with a pillion under speeds of 100 kmph, within city limits, would you say this bike has enough torque to overtake traffic moving at sub 100 kmph speeds with a pillion? Did it feel practical enough for daily use with a pillion for 60 percent of the time?

      How was it to cut through gaps(assuming u faced some traffic) with the pillion and corner carving?
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      • Thanks JALVA for your inputs.

        I agree - the torso remains upright, like a bullet but your legs are in a sporty position. The advantage is that with your legs hugging the bike, you get better control. It is different but not in a bad way.
        Only worry is, will this sporty leg position over a few hours of continuous ride cause any fatigue/discomfort. Just my initial apprehensions as i will be moving to a non bullet bike after a long long time.
        As of now, i am sold on the duke. Will test ride one, and wait for the initial ownership experiences (hiccups if any in the real life scenario), and then book one. Dont want to jump at it, as i had a not so pleasant initial experiences with the C5, and i was one of the early bird to book that one. Once bitten twice shy.

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        • Originally posted by jalva View Post
          Went to the MG Road, Gurgaon showroom. Surprisingly, it wore a deserted look and the sales staff was too happy to welcome me.

          Took a small TD, the bike ran nice and fine but I couldnt hold 100kmph for more than a second or two. Asked for a longer TD over the highway (NH8) and they obliged. Took the bike to 131kmph. No issues, very stable and fully in control. Raced a little with a beemer which beat me by going 150+

          Rode the bike at 120-130 for a while. Dont know why, but I thought that the engine is not meant to do that all day. Could just be psychological given the bike's weight and cubic capacity. Views anyone?

          Did a little bit of corner carving and lane changing, the bike showed good manners. I liked the brakes. They were progressive and felt linear. The bike did not wag its tail under heavy braking. Someone who wants amazing, jerky bite maybe disappointed.

          Pillion seat is small but adequate. I asked the showroom guy to drive while I sat in the pillion seat. I would need a backrest or top-box to not feel nervous given the twitchy acceleration that wants to throw you back. Or maybe I am just not experienced at sitting pillion. The seat should do fine for my wife. If you remove the seat you see slots for adding a topbox mount - good!

          And yes, the big selling point for me is how light the bike feels. Very flickable and super manageable. Feels like a splendor with lots of acceleration - for me that is a good thing.

          The suspension is good and quite responsive. With one hand on the pillion seat you can easily press the monoshock a couple of inches. I liked the monoshock, frame and weight so much that I had to rule out the new pulsar.

          Negatives:
          - Not a torque monster. I did all my riding with a pillion from the showroom. Can not pull away in any gear with pillion and luggage. If you play the gears correctly, it works well. Clear loss of torque for bullet guys. No big deal for me.
          - Booking amount not completely refundable. There is a 3K deduction.
          - The big one: Vibrations in the foot pegs at speeds above 90. The right foot peg vibrated enough to make me a little uncomfortable. This is coming from a bullet guy No vibes in the unweighted handlebars or anywhere else. The bike had 10kms on the odo so maybe it wasnt meant to go that fast this early and with running in this may be resolved. But this felt odd and could be a deal breaker. Any views?

          I hope that this is among the first non-journo riding report of the duke
          Thanks for sharing your experience!!

          So you booking one?

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          • Originally posted by senotrius View Post
            that's great.even I had doubts whether it would be able to maintain 120+ for long stretches (especially with pillion/luggage) without breaking a sweat like cbr.I took td of Cbr with pillion and reached 120+ easy and maintained that.lots of torque that engine has.
            Did you TD the duke? If yes, can you compare the Duke's composure at 120+ with that of CBR?

            Originally posted by speedaholica View Post
            If I were ride regularly with a pillion under speeds of 100 kmph, within city limits, would you say this bike has enough torque to overtake traffic moving at sub 100 kmph speeds with a pillion? It has enough to overtake 99% of all vehicles in city at sub-130.

            Did it feel practical enough for daily use with a pillion for 60 percent of the time? Pillion is not its strong point. Useful for a cozy, romantic time with your GF/wife

            How was it to cut through gaps(assuming u faced some traffic) with the pillion and corner carving? Good
            Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post
            Thanks for sharing your experience!!

            So you booking one?
            Not yet, need to evaluate it against the CBR before I take a final call.

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            • Originally posted by jalva View Post
              Did you TD the duke? If yes, can you compare the Duke's composure at 120+ with that of CBR?



              Not yet, need to evaluate it against the CBR before I take a final call.
              Though i havent yet test rode the KTM, i believe at speeds of 120km/hr the KTM should be well composed. But at those speeds, CBR would feel less stressed(probably) and will give better grunt when given the stick.

              Even i am contemplating buying the CBR but have kept it on hold till i get a ride of the KTM.

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              • Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post
                Even i am contemplating buying the CBR but have kept it on hold till i get a ride of the KTM.
                Add me to that list too.

                @jalva:- eagerly waiting for your CBR ride report.

                Only if TVS had woken up by now.

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                • Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post
                  Though i havent yet test rode the KTM, i believe at speeds of 120km/hr the KTM should be well composed. But at those speeds, CBR would feel less stressed(probably) and will give better grunt when given the stick.

                  Even i am contemplating buying the CBR but have kept it on hold till i get a ride of the KTM.

                  I have ridden both 200 Duke and CBR250R at 130-135 kmph..

                  If by composure you mean:

                  >> How planted the bikes feel then both the CBR250R and the 200 Duke are equally composed or scary at 120 kmph.. nothing beats the Ninja 250R when it comes to high speed (130-140-150 kmph) manners.

                  >> By engine smoothness, the CBR250R has a (minute) slight edge over the 200 Duke

                  >> The CBR250R has a good mid range, decent top end

                  >> The 200 Duke has an awesome low and mid range (but one needs to rev the engine, after all its not a long stroke lazy engine like the Bullet), the top end feels restrained due to the short gearing (just look at the huge rear sprocket)

                  >> The 200 Duke a focussed street bike.. the CBR250R in my books tries to be a highway tourer but nothing like the composed Ninja 250R. Get the Duke if you are primarily looking for a Fast Street bike.



                  Last edited by payeng; 02-01-2012, 09:03 PM.

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                  • Had a TD of the duke today.

                    MY Impressions

                    # Strong low range - pulls away like a scooter with much much more power
                    #Strong acceleration - Was riding it in a moderately crowded area but still managed to pull up to 70kmph within a short distance but the pillion almost fell off
                    #Good brakes - Tested the brakes in a lonely stretch and it came to standstill superbly but i forgot to warn the pillion which made him crash against me
                    #The gears are very loud - dont know if it was the problem of this bike alone but the gears made a lot of noise just like in the old thunderbird and i hate the noise
                    #Very Very flickable - its a true delight in traffic with that respect. can easily find all the gaps in traffic due to great balance..u dont feel the weight of the bike at all
                    #The quality of the bike was good (but didnt get what the guys here were getting on about it being the best.. i felt it was below that of R15)
                    # very short body - pillion barely fits

                    But after my test drive i have decided to go for CBR250r (goin to wait for HRC) for the simple reason that the bike is too small for me..whatever anyone might say i dont think the bike is meant for anyone above 5'10 (Or he should be very thin and hav long legs and short body). Its my personal opinion that a rider should appear to be on top of his bike against the bike appearing to be below the rider...hope u got wht i meant

                    anyway anyone who has gone for it will never regret it..

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                    • Went to the MG Road-Gurgaon KTM store to just check out the bike. Had no intentions of buying it.
                      Got the TD.
                      My impressions.
                      It lacks torque, specially at the lower revs.
                      Very free revving.
                      The engine note is not awesome, but its decent enough.
                      Style - ke poore number.
                      Extremely flickable, my current 220 feels like a tractor now
                      Not very touring friendly - which was almost a big deal breaker.
                      a. Plastic tank - no tank bag.
                      b. The indicators are positioned in such a way that i cannot have a pillion and the saddle bags together.

                      Thought about it..
                      Booked it. Just like that

                      The 220 stays on for heavy duty touring. The KTM is simply not a replacement for it - but an add on element of fun biking.

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                      • Originally posted by bprags View Post
                        Add me to that list too.

                        @jalva:- eagerly waiting for your CBR ride report.

                        Only if TVS had woken up by now.
                        Sir, the CBR as been reviewed way too extensively for me to add anything. But CBR vs. Duke comparisons are highly valid. Even most of the graphs shared by Bajaj during the initial launch compared the bike to CBR.

                        Originally posted by payeng View Post
                        I have ridden both 200 Duke and CBR250R at 130-135 kmph..

                        If by composure you mean:

                        >> How planted the bikes feel then both the CBR250R and the 200 Duke are equally composed or scary at 120 kmph.. nothing beats the Ninja 250R when it comes to high speed (130-140-150 kmph) manners.

                        >> By engine smoothness, the CBR250R has a (minute) slight edge over the 200 Duke

                        >> The CBR250R has a good mid range, decent top end

                        >> The 200 Duke has an awesome low and mid range (but one needs to rev the engine, after all its not a long stroke lazy engine like the Bullet), the top end feels restrained due to the short gearing (just look at the huge rear sprocket)

                        >> The 200 Duke a focussed street bike.. the CBR250R in my books tries to be a highway tourer but nothing like the composed Ninja 250R. Get the Duke if you are primarily looking for a Fast Street bike.
                        Thanks payeng. I need a street bike 80% of the time but 20% I also want to do some touring with pillion on it. Do you think the KTM engine can hold 120+ with ease for hours on end when needed? I am fine with the seat, ergonomics, wind blast etc.

                        Also, did your Duke have footpeg vibes?

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                        • Originally posted by payeng View Post
                          I have ridden both 200 Duke and CBR250R at 130-135 kmph..

                          If by composure you mean:

                          >> How planted the bikes feel then both the CBR250R and the 200 Duke are equally composed or scary at 120 kmph.. nothing beats the Ninja 250R when it comes to high speed (130-140-150 kmph) manners.

                          >> By engine smoothness, the CBR250R has a (minute) slight edge over the 200 Duke

                          >> The CBR250R has a good mid range, decent top end

                          >> The 200 Duke has an awesome low and mid range (but one needs to rev the engine, after all its not a long stroke lazy engine like the Bullet), the top end feels restrained due to the short gearing (just look at the huge rear sprocket)

                          >> The 200 Duke a focussed street bike.. the CBR250R in my books tries to be a highway tourer but nothing like the composed Ninja 250R. Get the Duke if you are primarily looking for a Fast Street bike.


                          Sir, I have booked a white LE R15 and its due in a month. Reading all the pros and cons are only confusing me.

                          This will be my first bike and I dont wanna regret later. Please, could you suggest me what should I sanely do?

                          I do a city riding of 6km daily. But I have a '09 Splendor for that.
                          This bike of mine, will be priorly used to ride with my friends owning all sorts of bikes including the version2.0 and cbr250r.
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                          • Originally posted by jalva View Post
                            Sir, the CBR as been reviewed way too extensively for me to add anything. But CBR vs. Duke comparisons are highly valid. Even most of the graphs shared by Bajaj during the initial launch compared the bike to CBR.
                            What I meant was, since you have ridden the KTM, you shld be able to do a direct comparo between the two. Makes life a lot easier for people like me, who spend 10 to 12 hours in office

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                            • Originally posted by payeng View Post
                              I have ridden both 200 Duke and CBR250R at 130-135 kmph..

                              If by composure you mean:

                              >> How planted the bikes feel then both the CBR250R and the 200 Duke are equally composed or scary at 120 kmph.. nothing beats the Ninja 250R when it comes to high speed (130-140-150 kmph) manners.

                              >> By engine smoothness, the CBR250R has a (minute) slight edge over the 200 Duke

                              >> The CBR250R has a good mid range, decent top end

                              >> The 200 Duke has an awesome low and mid range (but one needs to rev the engine, after all its not a long stroke lazy engine like the Bullet), the top end feels restrained due to the short gearing (just look at the huge rear sprocket)

                              >> The 200 Duke a focussed street bike.. the CBR250R in my books tries to be a highway tourer but nothing like the composed Ninja 250R. Get the Duke if you are primarily looking for a Fast Street bike.


                              I'm confused with the all the three, R15v2.0 - Duke200 - Pulsar 200 NS.
                              I hope you help me with a bike and atleast 5 reasons supporting it over the others.
                              Personally, I love the R15. But my friends out here, happen to persistently put me off it under the clause that its way too expensive and not worth the price tag.
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                              • ^^ I'm only writing this because I personally would have picked the duke.

                                Please consider the following reasons in favor of Duke
                                1. KTM (European technology)
                                2. Trellis frame
                                3. 150mm Rear tyre
                                4. Multifunctional Display console
                                5. First time USD on Indian bike
                                6. Riding position to suit most road conditions

                                I've had the R15 before but the only time I enjoyed riding it was on open roads, because of which I used to take it out for a rip on sunday mornings.

                                KTM duke for me would give me that riding pleasure almost every time
                                Just because you haven't seen it doesnt mean its impossible...expect the unexpected.

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